Ryan VP?

[lo country]

I think that it is funny that those who appear to be dems on this board are demonizing the Tea Party yet speaking so highly of their current candidate in BO. That guy is about as far left as the media portrays the Tea Party to be on the far right. You have to be crazy to think that Obama is even remotely a moderate or centralist.

Are you being serious?

 

Yes. The guy has avery left lean IMO. Think what you want, but that seems to be a central theme. Increase the welfare state, centralize the banking industry, govt control of businesses, centralized health care etc..... I do not think he nor his supporters would agree, but it sure seems that he is in line with a socialist agenda.

 

I also do not think that the Tea Party is a bunch of right wing nut jobs that the media portrays them to be. Every party needs a bogeyman and the Tea Party is it for Dems.

Centralize the banking industry? That has been done by deregulation, by allowing commercial banks and investment banks to be one. Yeah, the FDIC closed some, because their stupid mistakes and unfettered greed made them insolvent. There men are at central fault for the near complete collapse of the world economy.

 

Regulations are not 'government control.' Stop falling for the Koch propaganda. Every regulation is there because some company was screwing someone for a buck.

 

The guy in that article is simply pushing the agenda of the mega corps. No attachment to reality. A history book would prove that without regulations businesses run amok. US Steel. The Railroads (there IS a reason we use the term "railroaded") Standard Oil. Or terms like Lateral Integration.

 

Businesses could, overnight literally, end debates about tax rates and class warfare. Very, very simply without gov interfering, but they won't. Because of greed. Its as simple as this to right the economy. Pay cuts all around at the tops of companies. No more multimillion dollar execs, or board members. And take that money and give the actual workers raises. You know, the people we pretty much all are. The ones that actually make a company run. And because this won't happen, Unions are an answer. Take a look at the NFL, it works out pretty good.

 

Do you actually pay attention to what the Tea Party talks about? We are talking borderline anarcho-capitalism, and mixing it with theocracy. That classifies as crazy.

 

Yes. Just like I listen to the Libertarian platform, the Dems and even listen to the BBC. I also identify as a Christian and believe in a free market economy. I guess I must be crazy.

[sd'sker]

I think that it is funny that those who appear to be dems on this board are demonizing the Tea Party yet speaking so highly of their current candidate in BO. That guy is about as far left as the media portrays the Tea Party to be on the far right. You have to be crazy to think that Obama is even remotely a moderate or centralist.

Are you being serious?

 

Yes. The guy has avery left lean IMO. Think what you want, but that seems to be a central theme. Increase the welfare state, centralize the banking industry, govt control of businesses, centralized health care etc..... I do not think he nor his supporters would agree, but it sure seems that he is in line with a socialist agenda.

 

I also do not think that the Tea Party is a bunch of right wing nut jobs that the media portrays them to be. Every party needs a bogeyman and the Tea Party is it for Dems.

Centralize the banking industry? That has been done by deregulation, by allowing commercial banks and investment banks to be one. Yeah, the FDIC closed some, because their stupid mistakes and unfettered greed made them insolvent. There men are at central fault for the near complete collapse of the world economy.

 

Regulations are not 'government control.' Stop falling for the Koch propaganda. Every regulation is there because some company was screwing someone for a buck.

 

The guy in that article is simply pushing the agenda of the mega corps. No attachment to reality. A history book would prove that without regulations businesses run amok. US Steel. The Railroads (there IS a reason we use the term "railroaded") Standard Oil. Or terms like Lateral Integration.

 

Businesses could, overnight literally, end debates about tax rates and class warfare. Very, very simply without gov interfering, but they won't. Because of greed. Its as simple as this to right the economy. Pay cuts all around at the tops of companies. No more multimillion dollar execs, or board members. And take that money and give the actual workers raises. You know, the people we pretty much all are. The ones that actually make a company run. And because this won't happen, Unions are an answer. Take a look at the NFL, it works out pretty good.

 

Do you actually pay attention to what the Tea Party talks about? We are talking borderline anarcho-capitalism, and mixing it with theocracy. That classifies as crazy.

 

Yes. Just like I listen to the Libertarian platform, the Dems and even listen to the BBC. I also identify as a Christian and believe in a free market economy. I guess I must be crazy.

as a christian, you must be a strong supporter of universal healthcare, a policy based on the beatitudes.

 

it is funny that the presidents starting with reagan and ending with george w. bush can destroy every regulation that protects us from the banks, then we can see the worst economic collapse since the great depression (when those regulation were enacted, you know, to prevent it from happening again) and now it is socialism to reapply those regulations.

 

i am not sure you know what an actual socialist state looks like, but trust me, america is nowhere near it. (although, i do think banks and healthcare should be nationalized. banks pretty much already are, at least they receive all of the benefit and no risk from gov't involvement. the fed sets the rates and the gov't insures them. why should private banks exist? what free market advantages do they have? also, nationalized healthcare would help a lot of private businesses as providing health insurance to employees is a major expense, prohibiting some from starting their own businesses and crippling the auto industry. remember gm spends more on healthcare than steel. link).

[lo country]

SD,

As a Christian I do support universal healthcare, welfare and assistance to the poor. I just object to it being the govt. No where in the Bible does it speak about the govt helping people, but speaks volumes about the people helping people. Again I have no issue with that. People like to take specific Bible verses and use them to "prove" their specific platform when in fact that is not the Bible's intentions at all.

[knapplc]

Why can't the government, which is "of the people, by the people and for the people," be involved in universal healthcare?

 

What other group of citizens banding together to pool resources for the common good should be doing this?

[Moiraine]

No where in the Bible does it speak about the govt helping people, but speaks volumes about the people helping people. Again I have no issue with that.

 

I have a major problem with this. It sounds nice, but it's not realistic. There are good people out there who would help, but when I see someone on their own and unable to care for themselves, I really don't see a situation where a good citizen or citizens is suddenly going to offer to pay for their care, their food, and their housing. These government programs ensure that everyone is chipping in so that we aren't a country that lets all of the less fortunate become homeless. There are too many crappy, selfish people out there to believe that they would be taken care of without government programs paid for by all of us.

[strigori]

SD,

As a Christian I do support universal healthcare, welfare and assistance to the poor. I just object to it being the govt. No where in the Bible does it speak about the govt helping people, but speaks volumes about the people helping people. Again I have no issue with that. People like to take specific Bible verses and use them to "prove" their specific platform when in fact that is not the Bible's intentions at all.

Our form of gov didn't exist when your book was written. You had monarchies and dictatorships. The Bible pretty much begins and ends with "Render unto Cesar what is Cesar's" In our system, we are all Cesar.

 

Universal healthcare must come from the gov. A mess of different for profit companies are not in the business of doing what is right. Jesus would have been a 'socialist' by the right's definition. When you rationalize things the way you are here, it comes off as hypocritical. Christians like to use the phrase 'What would Jesus do?' I'm pretty sure he would vote for gov supported universal healthcare.

[sd'sker]

SD,

As a Christian I do support universal healthcare, welfare and assistance to the poor. I just object to it being the govt. No where in the Bible does it speak about the govt helping people, but speaks volumes about the people helping people. Again I have no issue with that. People like to take specific Bible verses and use them to "prove" their specific platform when in fact that is not the Bible's intentions at all.

Our form of gov didn't exist when your book was written. You had monarchies and dictatorships. The Bible pretty much begins and ends with "Render unto Cesar what is Cesar's" In our system, we are all Cesar.

 

Universal healthcare must come from the gov. A mess of different for profit companies are not in the business of doing what is right. Jesus would have been a 'socialist' by the right's definition. When you rationalize things the way you are here, it comes off as hypocritical. Christians like to use the phrase 'What would Jesus do?' I'm pretty sure he would vote for gov supported universal healthcare.

yeah, we are the government. how has it become us v. them, where 'them' is the government. the government helping people with healthcare is people helping people.