SBNation: Pretend you’ve been offered the Nebraska and Tennessee jobs. Which should you take?

[jaws]

Just now, Street Novelist said:

 

You completely missed the point of her post. She said Nebraska has an easier road to the CCG, which is true because the Big 10 West is far easier to win than the SEC East.

 

I didn't miss the point. I am saying it is usually about the same between the Big West and SEC East. 

[Street Novelist]

3 minutes ago, jaws said:

 

I didn't miss the point. I am saying it is usually about the same between the Big West and SEC East. 

 

You can't be serious.  

[jaws]

2 minutes ago, Street Novelist said:

 

You can't be serious.  

http://www.espn.com/college-football/standings/_/group/8

 

Look back the last 5 years. You tell me how hard that looks to win the east. I'll give you 2012. 

[jessica0]

The SEC East has three programs that are national championship level winning programs. The B1G West has one. MN and IL used to be up there, but they have been down for so long I don't consider them at that level anymore. 

 

 

 

 

[junior4949]

4 hours ago, jessica0 said:

The problem that the SEC has right now is that Alabama out recruits all other teams in that conference by such a wide margin that other teams have lost hope and they rush to try and get a Saban clone so they can replicate what Bama is doing. Several hires in the SEC have been made over the last few years to try and do that and they all have failed so far besides what is taking place at Georgia. Heck, some nutty Florida fans are trying to push out a coach that won the SEC East the last two seasons. 

 

As far as a TN vs NE thing, it is much easier to win a conference title and get to the playoff by coaching at Nebraska and have to go through the B1G West compared to having to play Bama, Florida, and Georgia every year. 

 

 

 

The article did state this.  However, it also stated that by doing this we are open to what happened to Michigan State when they made the playoff.  The article stated that TN if it made the playoff would have the talent to compete whereas we probably don't.  Here's the quote at the end that pretty much sums it up, "Making the Playoff, but not having the talent to win it, is a Buffalo Bills sequel. Who wants that tease?"

 

Here's the other thing.  The SEC will not always be top dog.  Conferences dominating college football has always been cyclical.  Nick Saban will be 66 years old in a few days.  How much longer is he going to coach?  Urban Meyer is 53, Jim Harbaugh is 53, and James Franklin is 45.  These guys probably have quite a few years left in the tank.  We're probably already witnessing a cyclical change that swings the power to the B1G as top dog.  We could very well win a conference championship.  However, it won't be easy and it won't happen very often.

[jessica0]

3 minutes ago, junior4949 said:

 

The article did state this.  However, it also stated that by doing this we are open to what happened to Michigan State when they made the playoff.  The article stated that TN if it made the playoff would have the talent to compete whereas we probably don't.  Here's the quote at the end that pretty much sums it up, "Making the Playoff, but not having the talent to win it, is a Buffalo Bills sequel. Who wants that tease?"

 

Here's the other thing.  The SEC will not always be top dog.  Conferences dominating college football has always been cyclical.  Nick Saban will be 66 years old in a few days.  How much longer is he going to coach?  Urban Meyer is 53, Jim Harbaugh is 53, and James Franklin is 45.  These guys probably have quite a few years left in the tank.  We're probably already witnessing a cyclical change that swings the power to the B1G as top dog.  We could very well win a conference championship.  However, it won't be easy and it won't happen very often.

 

Yes, in most cases we wouldn't have the talent, on paper, to match up against the other elites in a playoff game. That is why we need a great coach first, second, and third before we look at recruiting ability. And the coach can't run the same BS that everyone else runs and expect better results than teams with better talent that run the same stuff. 

 

One of the reasons why NE dominated for so long was due to the unique schemes that the program ran on offense and the coaching/player development was great. If TO tried to run a pass based spread he wouldn't have had nearly the success. That is life for Nebraska and I have been acceptive of that since the 80's. 

[jaws]

5 minutes ago, jessica0 said:

The SEC East has three programs that are national championship level winning programs. The B1G West has one. MN and IL used to be up there, but they have been down for so long I don't consider them at that level anymore. 

 

 

 

 

 

Georgia usually drops games they shouldn't, Florida is a shell of their former self, Tennessee can't find a coach, South Carolina is all over the place, Kentucky rather play basketball, and Vanderbilt isn't all that interested in football. Missouri came in from the Big 12 and won the thing their first two years. 

[jessica0]

12 minutes ago, jaws said:

 

Georgia usually drops games they shouldn't, Florida is a shell of their former self, Tennessee can't find a coach, South Carolina is all over the place, Kentucky rather play basketball, and Vanderbilt isn't all that interested in football. Missouri came in from the Big 12 and won the thing their first two years. 

 

Georgia is capable of winning a national title are they not? Did you know Florida won a national title 9 seasons ago? 

 

Now tell me, besides Nebraska, when was the last time a school from the B1G West won a national title. I will give you a hint....Dwight Eisenhower was the President of the United States. The SEC East programs have won 5 national titles since the last time a non Nebraska B1G West school won a national title. Those three SEC East programs include Georgia, Tennessee, and Florida. 

 

The main obstacle, as it stands in 2017, and taking into account 5 decades worth of history, making it to the conference title game in the B1G West is much easier than the SEC East. Sure the divisions can be good or bad any given season, but that isn't the point. I'm not looking at things as singular season or just a few seasons. I'm looking at the power ability of using long standing historical data, current standings of the programs, and what could be projected reasonably for the next decade. 

 

The B1G West has made three good hires recently - MN, Purdue and WI. WI will remain as is for years to come. Purdue would need to keep their coach. MN could build something with PJ since he has dreamed of being a head coach in the B1G his whole life. 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2017 by jessica0

[junior4949]

For the most part, great coaching and great recruiting ability go hand in hand.  I'll give you that we were successful under TO because we were unique.  When he put a lot more emphasis on speed, we went from good to great.  However, a lot has changed from the 90's to now.  There are so many more successful programs than there were back then.  In todays game, we see huge upsets nearly every weekend.  Back then, it rarely happened.  The other thing that really gets overlooked is the partial qualifiers.  The article even listed the four starters on those teams.  Michael Booker was a beast in the game against Florida.  Without Christian Peter and Jared Tomich on the DL, we aren't nearly as successful. 

 

For our success, we first need a system.  Then, we need to recruit to this system much like Wisconsin does.  The strength or primary focus of our recruiting has to be the OL and DL.  Then, we have to develop those OL and DL. 

[grandpasknee]

I'd take the Tennessee job.  I am an information security professional and know nothing about coaching football at any level.  So I'd take the Tennessee job, fail miserably and still be able to live in Nebraska and not be despised.

[grandpasknee]

3 hours ago, junior4949 said:

For the most part, great coaching and great recruiting ability go hand in hand.  I'll give you that we were successful under TO because we were unique.  When he put a lot more emphasis on speed, we went from good to great.  However, a lot has changed from the 90's to now.  There are so many more successful programs than there were back then.  In todays game, we see huge upsets nearly every weekend.  Back then, it rarely happened.  The other thing that really gets overlooked is the partial qualifiers.  The article even listed the four starters on those teams.  Michael Booker was a beast in the game against Florida.  Without Christian Peter and Jared Tomich on the DL, we aren't nearly as successful. 

 

For our success, we first need a system.  Then, we need to recruit to this system much like Wisconsin does.  The strength or primary focus of our recruiting has to be the OL and DL.  Then, we have to develop those OL and DL. 

Gads man, I think you are on to something!!!!

[zoogs]

I'd stay at Central Florida, heh.

 

Wait for maybe, say, the Stanford job to come open.

[Apathy]

Whichever fan base can successfully pull off a black.out

Edited October 26, 2017 by Dewiz

[Roll Skers]

It's hard to do anything relevant when you play bama every year, ask Les Miles

[VectorVictor]

8 hours ago, GamingGlen said:

Doesn't seem all that pervasive based on the local news of south Florida.  Perhaps it's more prevalent elsewhere in the state or the news are downplaying it.

 

Probably because it’s old news by now. Flakka is nasty and it’s influence spread out of FL and into most of the urban US.