Russia

[Decked]

4 minutes ago, commando said:

the reason russia is advancing now is due to the artillery ammo shortage for ukraine.    

Because the west is bitterly unprepared for a modern war with mixed modern targeting systems and ammo & old style “dumb” ammunition. We don’t have enough shells to give. Russia is all in on artillery while the United States puts vast resources into smart weapons and planes/bombs. We are learning you still need to make dummy ammunition to win modern wars against standing armies. And capacity to make such things is way down. 
 

and even then..the counteroffensive was a massive flop. Ukraine needs hundreds more tanks alone, thousands more of vehicles, planes, & artillery to make ANY kind of serious dent into Russian held territory. They aren’t gonna get s#!t. The United States is content on trading Ukrainian lives for Russian equipment and manpower. They know ukraine can’t win. 

[teachercd]

8 minutes ago, Decked said:

Their “special military operation” sure moved goalposts didn’t it. From their objective of

conquering Kyiv and overthrowing their government & installation of a modern Russian puppet state to pure settlement. 

Very much so!

[commando]

5 minutes ago, Decked said:

Because the west is bitterly unprepared for a modern war with mixed modern targeting systems and ammo & old style “dumb” ammunition. We don’t have enough shells to give. Russia is all in on artillery while the United States puts vast resources into smart weapons and planes/bombs. We are learning you still need to make dummy ammunition to win modern wars against standing armies. And capacity to make such things is way down. 

last year at this time the US was producing about 14,000 artillery shells per month.    we had production up to 28,000 per month by november of last year.   and it is expected to be 36,000 per month by march.   that is in america.  we also funded facilities in canada, india, and poland to increase their 155mm shell production.   there are shells out there.

[Decked]

5 minutes ago, commando said:

last year at this time the US was producing about 14,000 artillery shells per month.    we had production up to 28,000 per month by november of last year.   and it is expected to be 36,000 per month by march.   that is in america.  we also funded facilities in canada, india, and poland to increase their 155mm shell production.   there are shells out there.

And even with artillery Ukraine will at best keep them at bay. They are not going to ever be able to conquer anything meaningful. Although it will help them defend. This war is just the bloodletting of the Russian and Ukrainian states all for a bloody stalemate for Ukraine.

 

 

also an FYI: In November of 2023 Ukraine was using around 7,000 shells per day. And they would love to shoot a lot more. Granted not all of those are 155mm. But a lot are. It is still not enough. Russia is far outpacing this figure of manufacturing. 

[BigRedBuster]

2 minutes ago, Decked said:

And even with artillery Ukraine will at best keep them at bay. They are not going to ever be able to conquer anything meaningful. Although it will help them defend. This war is just the bloodletting of the Russian and Ukrainian states all for a bloody stalemate for Ukraine. 

So, you're squarely in the camp of..."just let Russia have what they want".

[Decked]

3 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

So, you're squarely in the camp of..."just let Russia have what they want".

I’m squarely in the camp of Ukraine needs to come to reality and come to the table because they have 0 hope of reclaiming s#!t. All this is doing is killing more men, women, & children. Would I love Ukraine to win? Yes. f#&% Russia, f#&% putin, f#&% Wagner, f#&% the war dogs. But Ukraine is not going to be able to do this.  
 

 

If you think the USA is doing this to be just you’re hilarious. They are doing this to degrade Russian war capacity for starters. Also, politicians and big heads of wartime profiteers are beating the drum bathing in the profit of murderous wartime production

[Archy1221]

42 minutes ago, Decked said:

They are the ones as reflected in the top of the chart. I think they should give about all they have if they feel like Russia is this big of a threat. As I stated above they are the ones who will suffer so therefore they should be the ones doing so. 

As you stated, those countries should be providing a disproportionate amount of aid as they are the ones next to the lions den and in harms way.  
 

Along those lines, many of those European countries are now starting to feel insecure, because maybe they haven’t  spent enough valuable resources building up their military advancement and instead relied on the hope that the US would be the worlds peace keepers and cover any insufficiencies.  

[Decked]

1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

As you stated, those countries should be providing a disproportionate amount of aid as they are the ones next to the lions den and in harms way.  
 

Along those lines, many of those European countries are now starting to feel insecure, because maybe they haven’t  spent enough valuable resources building up their military advancement and instead relied on the hope that the US would be the worlds peace keepers and cover any insufficiencies.  

It’s been too long we have been the world keepers. These countries have profited on the backs of our tax dollars. It’s time for them to do their part.

[BigRedBuster]

4 minutes ago, Decked said:

I’m squarely in the camp of Ukraine needs to come to reality and come to the table because they have 0 hope of reclaiming s#!t. All this is doing is killing more men, women, & children. Would I love Ukraine to win? Yes. f#&% Russia, f#&% putin, f#&% Wagner, f#&% the war dogs. But Ukraine is not going to be able to do this.  
 

 

If you think the USA is doing this to be just you’re hilarious. They are doing this to degrade Russian war capacity for starters. Also, politicians and big heads of wartime profiteers are beating the drum bathing in the profit of murderous wartime production

And, what do you think Russia would be willing to agree to?

[commando]

16 minutes ago, Decked said:

Because the west is bitterly unprepared for a modern war with mixed modern targeting systems and ammo & old style “dumb” ammunition. We don’t have enough shells to give. Russia is all in on artillery while the United States puts vast resources into smart weapons and planes/bombs. We are learning you still need to make dummy ammunition to win modern wars against standing armies. And capacity to make such things is way down. 
 

and even then..the counteroffensive was a massive flop. Ukraine needs hundreds more tanks alone, thousands more of vehicles, planes, & artillery to make ANY kind of serious dent into Russian held territory. They aren’t gonna get s#!t. The United States is content on trading Ukrainian lives for Russian equipment and manpower. They know ukraine can’t win. 

chechnya defeated russia in the first war between them.   russia then signed a peace agreement and rearmed then attacked chechnya again and won.  now russia has chechan troops in it's march on ukraine.   if russia defeats ukraine russia will have ukrainian and chechan troops when they march on the baltics, poland,. alaska or wherever they decide to go next

[Decked]

Just now, BigRedBuster said:

And, what do you think Russia would be willing to agree to?

Ukraine surrenders all of or large swaths of the Donetsk, Luhansk, & Crimea oblasts/territories. They are going to want these ethnically Russian territories. 

[teachercd]

3 minutes ago, Decked said:

It’s been too long we have been the world keepers. These countries have profited on the backs of our tax dollars. It’s time for them to do their part.

This is so true and of course means you are Pro-Russian (You are not, but that is the new thing)

 

Other countries either don't really give a f#&% about the rest of the world OR they just know that the USA will take care of the bad guys.  

[Decked]

2 minutes ago, commando said:

chechnya defeated russia in the first war between them.   russia then signed a peace agreement and rearmed then attacked chechnya again and won.  now russia has chechan troops in it's march on ukraine.   if russia defeats ukraine russia will have ukrainian and chechan troops when they march on the baltics, poland,. alaska or wherever they decide to go next

Chechnya was/is also an autonomous Russian republic not a separate nation. You are obviously going to have to boost wartime production after war for deterrence. I have my doubts here. 

[teachercd]

3 minutes ago, commando said:

chechnya defeated russia in the first war between them.   russia then signed a peace agreement and rearmed then attacked chechnya again and won.  now russia has chechan troops in it's march on ukraine.   if russia defeats ukraine russia will have ukrainian and chechan troops when they march on the baltics, poland,. alaska or wherever they decide to go next

Could you imagine russia (boating, probably not marching, right?) to alaska, my god.   That would be suicide for them.

[Decked]

4 minutes ago, teachercd said:

This is so true and of course means you are Pro-Russian (You are not, but that is the new thing)

 

Other countries either don't really give a f#&% about the rest of the world OR they just know that the USA will take care of the bad guys.  

By playing world keeper all we have done is plunge ourselves into unpayable debt & neglected key issues at home. It is cool in the USA to play war as long as it’s your party. Shareholders, CEOs, donors, & others who play puppeteer don’t care if you have an R or D in front of your name on the screen.