NUance Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 This seems like a relevant topic. Or am I high? 1 Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 With a name like NUance you'd think there'd be more to these questions and answers Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I chose other because I don't like the reasoning ascribed to the no option. I don't think because its becoming socially acceptable is the reason not to boot kids. My question is why should we kick kids off the team for cannabis? Because its illegal? So is underage drinking but I've never heard of a player being kicked off of a college football team for that. 2 Link to comment
NUance Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said: With a name like NUance you'd think there'd be more to these questions and answers Oh, they are quite subtle. Some would say nuanced. Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 First, no matter what we think about legalization and team rules, weed is a banned substance under NCAA guidelines. #1 needs an "I don't know" option. #2 - I think whether weed is legal or not, teams have a right to prohibit use by players, and if they violate that rule, they get punished. Question then becomes, if it's legalized and normalized in society in general, and it's no longer "aberrant" behavior, do the players using weed against team rules behave differently overall? *I* believe that since weed is currently illegal in Nebraska, the person who's going to violate both the team rule and the law is knowingly doing a bad thing. I think that changes a person's behavior, that knowledge. #3 - Kinda answered that above. Even if it's not addictive, teams still have the right to make their own rules, and enforce punishment if those rules are violated. Regarding kicking someone off the team - that should only be in extreme cases. Probably not only for violating the no-weed rule. Depends on the situation. Link to comment
NUance Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 I think it is addictive in some people, but not in others. Much like alcohol. I think there should be some program in place for the player to get counseling and continue practicing (if permitted by ncaa rules), but perhaps not play. It seems like that would be best for the player, rather than just giving him the boot. /jmho 2 Link to comment
NUance Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, knapplc said: #1 needs an "I don't know" option. Good point. But I purposely did not include a third option, hoping that people would choose one or the other and explain any reservations about their choice. I answered "yes". But I think it is addictive to a small percentage of people, while it's not to the majority of others. Like booze, for example. Link to comment
teachercd Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said: I chose other because I don't like the reasoning ascribed to the no option. I don't think because its becoming socially acceptable is the reason not to boot kids. My question is why should we kick kids off the team for cannabis? Because its illegal? So is underage drinking but I've never heard of a player being kicked off of a college football team for that. I think in the end...99% of players that are kicked off for weed are not really kicked off for weed...they are kicked off for being annoying AND also getting caught smoking weed. 2 Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, NUance said: I answered "yes". But I think it is addictive to a small percentage of people, while it's not to the majority of others. Like booze, for example. First of all, booze is physically addictive while cannabis is not. Secondly, wouldn't that be on the people having an issue rather than cannabis being an addictive substance if its only addictive for a small percentage of people? Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, teachercd said: I think in the end...99% of players that are kicked off for weed are not really kicked off for weed...they are kicked off for being annoying AND also getting caught smoking weed. I would agree with that statement. Link to comment
NUance Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Nebfanatic said: First of all, booze is physically addictive while cannabis is not. Secondly, wouldn't that be on the people having an issue rather than cannabis being an addictive substance if its only addictive for a small percentage of people? But booze is not addictive to all people. If it was, wouldn't everyone who drinks be an alcoholic? As for cannabis being addictive, don't we all know middle aged stoners who have gotten high several times per week for more than a decade? (Maybe you folks don't know people like that? :shrug: ) The middle aged loadies I know all work for little more than minimum wage, live in live in crappy rental units and drive broken down wrecks held together with duct tape and Bondo. If they're not addicted why do they choose such a crappy existence? Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, NUance said: But booze is not addictive to all people. If it was, wouldn't everyone who drinks be an alcoholic? Just because something is lower on the scale of addiction than something else (booze vs. meth) doesn't mean it's not addictive to all people. I'm not any kind of addiction expert, though, so I'd be happy to learn more about it if you have any suggestions. Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, NUance said: But booze is not addictive to all people. If it was, wouldn't everyone who drinks be an alcoholic? As for cannabis being addictive, don't we all know middle aged stoners who have gotten high several times per week for more than a decade? (Maybe you folks don't know people like that? :shrug: ) The middle aged loadies I know all work for little more than minimum wage, live in live in crappy rental units and drive broken down wrecks held together with duct tape and Bondo. If they're not addicted why do they choose such a crappy existence? Its been scientifically proven to cause a physical dependance if used enough by all people. So yes, booze is addictive to all people. Your anecdotal evidence of middle aged stoner leaves alot to be desired on proving weed is addictive. Who is to say they wouldn't live their life that way without weed? I know people who live the way you describe and don't rely on any substance. And are do those people have a weed habit because weed is addictive, or because they need a habit and weed is best for them? That is what I'm saying its really a question of is weed addictive or do people with addictive personalities smoke weed? I'd say its the latter. Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Not to say addiction to cannabis isn't a thing but I'd liken it more to an addiction to sex or gambling. The addiction is psychological not a physical dependance 1 1 1 Link to comment
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