The Big 10 Football Political Conspiracy

[BigRedBuster]

14 minutes ago, Alamo City Husker said:

There has been plenty of articles during this time referencing it. 

https://www.grassfire.com/what_total_u_s_deaths_down_10_in_march_from_prior_years_further_raising_question_of_covid_impact

How about a more reliable source.

 

JAMA Network

 

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Question  Did more all-cause deaths occur during the first months of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic in the United States compared with the same months during previous years?

Findings  In this cohort study, the number of deaths due to any cause increased by approximately 122 000 from March 1 to May 30, 2020, which is 28% higher than the reported number of COVID-19 deaths.

Meaning  Official tallies of deaths due to COVID-19 underestimate the full increase in deaths associated with the pandemic in many states.

 

 

[Alamo City Husker]

5 minutes ago, ZRod said:

They took it seriously and so did a majority of the world. We did not. You don't be a gud boi you don't get gud toy. China literally locked people in their houses with chains.

 

This isn't other pandemic this is a novel virus.

Not if 60% of cases are asymptomatic. 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-cases-wuhan-china-symptoms-study-a9424686.html

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/people-with-mild-or-no-symptoms-could-be-spreading-covid-19/

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/asymptomatic-covid-19-cases-could-hold-the-key-to-ending-pandemic-report/article32309103.ece

Why do arrogant humans believe they will defeat something that our immune systems are doing a perfectly good job at? 

[knapplc]

So... what's the point of this political conspiracy then?

[FrantzHardySwag]

7 minutes ago, Alamo City Husker said:

Why do arrogant humans believe they will defeat something that our immune systems are doing a perfectly good job at? 

Immune system is the biggest part of the problem. Immune response is too aggressive which is why docs are trying to treat with immunosuppressives. 

[Alamo City Husker]

38 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

You really need to rethink your sources.

Why is it people always complain about "sources" instead of debating the argument and information therein? 

[Alamo City Husker]

34 minutes ago, ZRod said:

Umm... first 3 weeks of March??? That article was written in April. This thing blew up in the US the 3rd and 4th week of March, and predictably deaths would lag confirmed cases, so they blew up the 4th week of March and 5th week of March/ 1st  week of April. You're article wouldn't have any info about that.

There is more data supporting this argument, but I am not going to do your homework for you. 

[Alamo City Husker]

33 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

I clicked the link. They link their data to the CDC. I click the CDC link in the article. It shows Excess mortality every week since 12-28-19.

 

Try it yourself: https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

"excess mortality" compared to what though? Did you miss that big disclaimer for the link you provided from the CDC? LMAO! 

[knapplc]

Just now, Alamo City Husker said:

Why is it people always complain about "sources" instead of debating the argument and information therein? 

 

I know, right?

 

  

56 minutes ago, Alamo City Husker said:

I am saying I trust those "government" numbers, like I trusted George W. Bush's "weapons of mass destruction".  The data all along this thing from several different areas has been sketchy.  

 

[Alamo City Husker]

31 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

How about a more reliable source.

 

JAMA Network

 

 

It keeps timing out for me, 

[knapplc]

1 minute ago, Alamo City Husker said:

It keeps timing out for me, 

 

Here you go. From the source that magically won't work while "weforum.com" will. 

 

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Key Points

Question  Did more all-cause deaths occur during the first months of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic in the United States compared with the same months during previous years?

Findings  In this cohort study, the number of deaths due to any cause increased by approximately 122 000 from March 1 to May 30, 2020, which is 28% higher than the reported number of COVID-19 deaths.

Meaning  Official tallies of deaths due to COVID-19 underestimate the full increase in deaths associated with the pandemic in many states.

 

 

[FrantzHardySwag]

2 minutes ago, Alamo City Husker said:

"excess mortality" compared to what though? Did you miss that big disclaimer for the link you provided from the CDC? LMAO

Compared to a projected normal year of flu and pneumonia deaths. It's obvious one of us read the disclaimer, and it's not you brother.

[BigRedBuster]

8 minutes ago, Alamo City Husker said:

It keeps timing out for me, 

Interesting.  I left my page up while I ran an errand and it's still up for me to read the whole thing.

 

Oh well...I quoted the findings and the meaning of the findings.

 

 

[knapplc]

Why is the fundamental basis of all these MAGA theories dishonesty? At some point doesn't the lying and make-believe get a little tiresome?

[BigRedBuster]

1 minute ago, knapplc said:

Why is the fundamental basis of all these MAGA theories dishonesty? At some point doesn't the lying and make-believe get a little tiresome?

 

You would think.

 

And...when you sit back and think about the huge number of people that would all have to be convinced to go along with it, then convinced to never say anything about it.

 

These conspiracy theories are just plain idiotic.  

 

It really is amazing how a certain segment of the population has been conditioned to believe stuff like this so strongly.

[Guy Chamberlin]

4 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

 

You do realize this doesn't need to be some big conspiracy, right? Imagine for a moment that it is not the tail wagging the dog. Maybe playing/not playing football has broken down red state/blue state because of the tendencies of the majority of the people in those states. Red states have more of the people who have been denying this deal since day one. They support Trump and are simply and unthinkingly mimicking dear leader. Whereas people in blue states are actually applying science and logic to deal with a very real pandemic that has taken 180,000 lives in less than 6 months. Do you need more clues? How about the fact that neither side wants to destroy local or national economies just to assure a change of the WH resident. The only people who think this is some dastardly conspiracy are those just not quite sharp enough to realize dear leader blew the response and mitigation effort. It's not a far left conspiracy. It is a total and complete lack of leadership and a failed response. Nothing more. Occam's razor.

 

BTW, I agree with the premise that continued shut downs would not be necessary IF we as a country would/could do just three simple things; wear masks, social distance and avoid large gatherings. Unfortunately we as a society have struggled with this. If there is any conspiracy to be had here, it resides in the conundrum of supposedly patriotic, brave, gun toting freedom lovers not being able to comply with extremely logical science backed mask mandates. The easily performed yet slightly sacrificial action of wearing a mask when in public seems to be too big of an ask for some of these “patriots”. If there is any conspiracy to be recognized it is that too many in this country are brainwashed beyond being able to be reasoned with.

 

Hey, you just said everything I was going to say.

 

Thanks.