Huckleberry Muhammad

Well, some of us have looked back at Scott Frost's career; the whole thing. All of it, from the little high school all the way to now. Some of us see all that and lose confidence in him and feel that perhaps The Peter Principle applies here (he may have done well here and there, but he might be proving that he's been promoted beyond his competence). Time will tell. I had my hopes for a bit, then just started thinking back to his history. I still hope he begins to surround himself with people he can learn from and perhaps at some point bring Nebraska around to being at least relevant.

Local sports hack Steve Sipple received a query from a UNL professor the other day: "How is Nebraska now better than in 2017 under Riley?" The question made Sipple very mad. "Do people seriously forget what happened in Mike Riley's final season here? Do people forget Nebraska dropped six of it's last seven games in 2017, the losses by an average of 26.2 points? That team flat-out quit. Players have admitted it. If you don't see progress in Frost's program compared to the end of Riley's tenure, you're actively trying to avoid seeing it." There's nothing untrue about Sipple's take on the changes he sees, but I see it differently and I can't bring myself to try to do anything other than see something better now. I think he's talking about something we all saw back then and discussed it ad infinitum; Riley truly lost the team. But I can think back to those discussions being about Pelini, and I even recall on-air remarks by game callers on network TV during one game that Callahan "has seemed to have lost them." Frost talks about wanting everyone on board. Good basic coaching principle. Sipple seems to see a vast difference in that regard. I see it too, but what I'm wondering is if that one particular fact, having the team with you and on board, is really enough to succeed if the coach himself is deficient, limited, not up to Big Ten football. I keep accusing Frost of not being good enough himself. He keeps accusing (some) players of not being "with us," "on board," etc, after the (many) losses.

^^^^^^^^^^This is my take.^^^^^^^^^^^ This thread has been pointing out Tommie's failures. Okay. But does that mean he can't see what we can see as to Frost's (lack of) effectiveness here? I fail every week at bowling, but I can still see and talk about other bad bowlers; they're right there in front of me. That's all he's doing; telling it like it is. Perhaps if we ask him about his own coaching failures he'll elaborate on that as I do about my rather comedic bowling.

Any recognitions he was awarded were in one single year of his coaching career(s): 2017. At UCF. In the AAC. His hire here astounded me. As if his prowess as a player here, and his name as a fan magnet, were worth tens of millions of dollars ($35 million over 7 years). What? .. Well, it garned hope for a fallen program. But I'm sorry, hope does not win games.

My fear is that Scott Frost would not understand those things. I don't know. It's just that a feeling is emerging that this person is limited in his mental capabilities. This is not the ACC. He was not truly successful in any of his other jobs in football. He was just okay here and not so good there, etc. Then he landed the UCF job and flourished for a season (I wish he'd have stayed there longer, not as a snarky thing to say, but so he could have gained some more HC experience; I cannot define him by one good season in that conference).

Too much reality. A worse second season (aside from the 4 wins vs 5 wins) for the new coach and his chosen staff. Maybe next year some of those hoped for jucos will be able to overcome the coaches' ill advised, often strange game decisions.

They play as if they're untrained, and just run out on the field on cue and that's all they know; when to run out onto the field and get into formation.

The OP's 6-6 sounds right to me for next year. But it sounded right for me as a minimum for this year, as I bit on the Adrian Martinez hype and grew hope on the Scott Frost hype. As for Scott Frost, I feel like I got to know him better. Yes, all we can do is look at him on the sidelines over there (yes, I'm one of those dorks with binoculars and not just for the cheerleaders and dancers), read his quotes in the paper, watch his pressers. I see/hear too many repeated cliches come from his mouth, and when we see somebody doing that we get the feeling that that person lacks creativity, critical thinking, cleverness. I watch him spit his snuff loogies around and stare at his play sheet. I see him call plays that smack of just plain naive, immature thinking. The whole thing gives me the feeling that I got when I heard about and saw photos of some unbathed guru from India decades ago being given a Rolls Royce. He crashed it right away and complained about the roads.

We'd have to be excellent at it.. with the triple included. Option plays seem to get stuffed quite readily these days.

But... um.. we "started losing games" right away since Frost got here. And we continued to until and through yesterday. And we still have Martinez.

You are correct. 'Nuff said.

The D part, maybe. The Martinez stuff, hell no. He's going to transfer. There. Now I'm out on a limb.

He isn't tough enough physically, either. Are any of them? Sorry but I think we need a Crouch, a Frazier, a Frost (ironic, that one).

Scott Frost is Little Danny Martin with his cap gun (his coaching prowess) against The Blob (the Big Ten conference). Perhaps he'll get pulled away by an adult and the town will be saved by some guys in charge who have real weapons. Kidding aside, my biggest gripe with him is his narrow focus: the offense only. He doesn't seem to notice much else. And he's, of course, here in the Big Ten, unlike a few years in the AAC, not up to the job. It seems.

Good for them. Welcome to America (or at least an American forum). Have fun. Learn stuff. Read about American football. Unless you mean California. Then never mind.

We've got, "Frost is in big trouble," "Hot seat," and "If we go 5-7 in '20 is frost the coach in '21." Can a mod combine these threads?

It is America. But online forums, including this one, are not democracies; they have to be run in a sort of mild dictatorship or things get out of hand and the flavor and character of the place can go south fast.

^^^^^^^^^^^The Big Gripe about him right from the beginning here at Nebraska. That and his quote: "I don't like kickers." Well, you live and die by the things you say, Buster Brown. There went your season: Off the foot of a kicker.

Well let's see.. you've got me by 3 years on the tabacky. Gave that up in 80. As far as alcohol goes, I do imbibe from time to time that amounts to about 6 drinks a year or so (not kidding). I don't have a Devo hat but I do still have their first album.

Got into the egg nog, did you?

I'd be very surprised if he makes any coaching changes. I'm thinking that it is HE that is a major part of the problem, as he seems over his head (the DC stuff seemed encouraging in the second half.. I don't know enough about it to be sure it was Chinander's doing or just some fired up players, but they held an 8 win team to just 3 points in the 2nd half and stopped several 3rd downs). His work at UCF was not "consummated," so to speak, in that his only real good season was his last and had much too short a tenure there. I just have this ongoing feeling that he is limited, and I don't mean the talent on the team; I mean him.

We held an 8 win team to 3 points in the second half. Gave me hope for the defense (once they're fired up).

So the OP has concern about the qb situation (which most here largely agree on, including me, and my wife, and the neighbor couple across the street, and PeeWee Herman, but not Mr. and Mrs. Martinez or Mr. Frost) and being "banned" for stating that qb concern. That's what "sucks," not Adrian. Yes, he seems to get rattled and both Vedral and Mac seem better to us. But perhaps we need to think about what the differences would be in opponent preparation if either one of those two started. Incidentally, I got a warning here for joking in the prayer thread. So.. hey, every board has it's rules and it's mods. We need to listen and learn that and do our best to comply if we want to remain as members.

Is Frost icing the Iowa quarterback?

Iowa is having a lot harder time in this half than the first half.