SkullandBones Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Maybe you're right, guess we'll have to wait and see, my only point is that it's way to early to say that he flat out has no chance of playing at the next level. That's it; I never meant to imply the NFL was going to be renaming the gd Lombardi trophy after him. Quote Link to comment
huskerswrkhavoc Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 You can't make blanket statements like 'Joe Ganz has 0% chance of playing in the NFL' or 'No, absolutely not'. True enough collegiate success doesn't necessarily translate to the next level, but give me something concrete, something tangible as to why Joe is completely non NFL material....ya can't! we won't know untill we know. As it stands now there's nothing obvious that precludes Ganz from getting a shot. Brad Johnson is making his second start for the cowgirls this week for chrissakes. Wouldn't it be great if we had a big time NFL qb like Brad starting for us tomorrow? Not. If Ganz plays 17 years in the NFL passes for over 28,000 yards and wins a Super Bowl like Brad Johnson come talk to me. Here then compare Ganz to these former outstanding college QB's that never sniffed the NFL aside from maybe a year or two: Zac Taylor (Big 12 Player of the Year) Jason White (Heisman Winner) Major Applewhite (All Big 12) Josh Heupel (2nd in Heisman All Big 12) BJ Symons (5000 freaking yards and 52 TD) Cody Hodges (Senior year stats were just as good if not better then Ganz) Charlie Ward (I know he played BB but he wasn't even drafted. 2 sport athletes were drafted before and after him so don't use that one) Sure Ganz my get an invite but what concrete tangible evidence do you have that says he will stick? Give me some of that before you start to discredit the people that don’t think he will make it. Just because like Ganz doesn't mean any NFL team is going to give him a chance. It doesn't no matter how bad we want them to. For the record Ganz is probably not even in the Top 15-20 QB prospects that will be coming out this year. Since you asked: Makes some questionable decisions especially under pressure Locks in a single receiver a lot of the time Holds onto the ball to long Questionable mobility Questionable Arm Strength Hasn’t proven he can make a lot of “NFL” throws Has defeated NOBODY Lack of experience Tape Measure stats Forces issue on some throws Better on roll outs then inside pocket (how many NFL teams roll out that much?) The good: Natural leader Smart Knows offense inside and out Makes checks at line Gamer i agree with most of that, except the bolded ones... i think his mobility is a lot better than that of most pro qbs... the hasn't defeated anyone, but he's put up lots of points on people, can't fault ganz for a sh**ty defense. and i agree with the last part, but i think he's better inside the pocket than a lot of other college QB's.... i think he'll get an opportunity at an early camp somewhere, but other than that, seems like much more coach material than player imo. Quote Link to comment
ray233 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Chase Daniel is a system QB. He's great in that system, but don't confuse him with an NFL quarterback. You have to throw from under center in the pros, not from 8 yards back from the line of scrimmage. He doesn't have a high release and will not be able to throw well over a D-line. There's no 'spread' in the big leagues. I know some shorter guys have had success, but guys like Doug Flutie and Joe Theisman did not flourish in today's NFL, where there is an overrated premium on prototype-sized players. Chase Daniel may get drafted due to his collegiate success, but he will not be a serviceable NFL quarterback. I'd bet the farm on it. Same for my favorite college QB, Joe "Pony Boy" Ganz. ....seriously, watch Joe. He runs like a pony. Quote Link to comment
holvy83 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Chase Daniel is a system QB. He's great in that system, but don't confuse him with an NFL quarterback. You have to throw from under center in the pros, not from 8 yards back from the line of scrimmage. He doesn't have a high release and will not be able to throw well over a D-line. There's no 'spread' in the big leagues. I know some shorter guys have had success, but guys like Doug Flutie and Joe Theisman did not flourish in today's NFL, where there is an overrated premium on prototype-sized players. Chase Daniel may get drafted due to his collegiate success, but he will not be a serviceable NFL quarterback. I'd bet the farm on it. Same for my favorite college QB, Joe "Pony Boy" Ganz. ....seriously, watch Joe. He runs like a pony. he does have quite the gallup Quote Link to comment
SkullandBones Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 ....seriously, watch Joe. He runs like a pony. lol, k, I'll give ya that one Quote Link to comment
Igetbored216 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Joe's technique while running the option is hilarious. It also makes me nervous... Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Why are we still talking about this? I've already made everything clear in my posts, which time will validate. Meanwhile, enjoy Joe Ganz while you can. Quote Link to comment
SkullandBones Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Why are we still talking about this? I've already made everything clear in my posts, which time will validate. Meanwhile, enjoy Joe Ganz while you can. thank you, Quote Link to comment
eagskerfan Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 absolutely not. Joe is an average at best college qb who takes too long to make decisions many times. Zac Taylor was a way better qb than Joe is and he couldn't cut it in the NFL either. Both are great leaders and have high character but not nfl material. Quote Link to comment
SkullandBones Posted November 1, 2008 Author Share Posted November 1, 2008 13th nationally in qb efficiency is a little more than average. It is in fact bester than average. Quote Link to comment
BigWillie Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 You can't make blanket statements like 'Joe Ganz has 0% chance of playing in the NFL' or 'No, absolutely not'. True enough collegiate success doesn't necessarily translate to the next level, but give me something concrete, something tangible as to why Joe is completely non NFL material....ya can't! we won't know untill we know. As it stands now there's nothing obvious that precludes Ganz from getting a shot. Brad Johnson is making his second start for the cowgirls this week for chrissakes. Wouldn't it be great if we had a big time NFL qb like Brad starting for us tomorrow? Not. What does a 40 year old QB have to do with a 22 year old college player? Brad is historically one of the best and most efficient QBs in NFL history. Guy has a noodle for an arm now thanks to the fact he is just old. Quote Link to comment
SkullandBones Posted November 1, 2008 Author Share Posted November 1, 2008 Nothing really, I had him on my fantasy team several years ago and he broke his leg or something, I still hold a grudge. Quote Link to comment
trouble Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 13th nationally in qb efficiency is a little more than average. It is in fact bester than average. Im with just about everybody else. Ganz MIGHT get a shot at a couple camps but he won't make it in the NFL. He doesn't have the arm to make a lot of NFL throws. Taylor had a more accurate and stronger arm, and he didnt cut it. Id like to see him jump on a staff as a coach though. Quote Link to comment
HuskerEric Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 If that damn matt cassel could get drafted why cant ganz Quote Link to comment
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