Lee Speaks

[Husker_x]

 

I would agree that Watson is gone at the end of the year

Please oh please don’t promote Barney if this happens.

 

Dude, don't even joke about things like that. I got chills just now.

[Ratt Mhule]

I would agree that Watson is gone at the end of the year but not for reasons you are stating. It will be due to the fact that no Offensive Coordinator with his resume wants to stay at a job where he doesn't have a say in the offense.

 

Bo is running his offense and it is not in line with Watson's. Watson would have Lee starting if it were his choice, Lee is 3rd. Watson isn't a bad coach. There are reasons why other great coaches at great programs want him (see Nick Saban). Why would he or should he stay at a place where the offensive philosophy is completely different that his.

 

That is why he leaves, because he is a puppet, no more no less.

 

I guess that really is along the same lines as your thought process.

 

If I was Watson I would leave too.

 

With all these conspiracy theories it sounds like we are in the Callahan era again. And if this stuff is true and the staff is not on the same page, it will not end up well for us this season. And as far as Ganz not liking Lee, does he not like him as a QB or as a person? If he does not like him as a person, he has no business coaching. A coach can not have personal vendettas against their players, its just not right.

[TXHSKR]

Can somebody come up with a Link that says Ganz doesn't like Lee?

 

IMO Lee is not the flashy play maker that Martinez is and Bo wants the ball in the hands of the play maker. No doubt Lee has the skills needed to manage the game, and would be able to do the job if called on.

[74Hunter]

I really feel like Green gets the snaps beacause he will be here (unless he transfers) for a couple more years and the coaches know that he needs the game reps, but if Martinez goes down, Lee will probably be THE guy. The experience that he brings to the table cannot be downplayed and I honeslty feel like if the game is still in question, Lee will be the guy to get things done.

We did see that game, SDSU, and Green still got the nod, even though he couldn't get the ball down the field.

 

Obviously, someone on the staff doesn't like Lee or what he brings to the table.

We were never really threatened in the SDSU game. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that I suspect that we will never again see a game like we saw against the Jackrabbits. There were some things that happened that I found... "fishy." Let's just say that.

I was at that game, and it certainly was fishy, but it also was very much in doubt.

 

What did you find fishy?

[knapplc]

I have a hard time trusting the conspiracy theories which rely on interpretation of a coach's or staff member's feelings about a person. In the last few months we have things like:

 

1) Lee is in Bo's doghouse. Without someone hearing directly from Bo that he has a grudge against Lee, which I very much doubt anyone has heard, this is an interpretation of a situation, not a fact.

2) Watson and Bo aren't on the same page regarding which offense to run. Circumstantial evidence makes this easy to believe, but it's still circumstantial. This is probably the easiest to believe, but then again, we have to guess a little, too.

3. Watson would have started Lee. Unless you're in the coaches meetings you can't know this. It's highly unlikely that anyone posting here is a coach or an assistant. If you are, and you're posting about stuff that's being discussed in these meetings, you're likely not going to have a job much longer.

4. Joey Ganz doesn't like Lee. Again, without Ganzy telling someone, "I don't like Lee," this is speculation. Maybe somebody is around these guys and body language/nonvocal communication makes it obvious, but this also likely boils down to someone's interpretation of a situation, and therefore it is not fact.

 

I have no doubt that members of our board have greater than typical access to the team, and that some of you guys are discussing things you've heard from staff, players, or heard first-hand. But you all know you cannot provide evidence of what you know, which makes it really hard for those of us who don't have your access to fully buy into everything that's being said.

[RedNLeader]

Zac is a great kid...It makes me feel good to know that we do have a qb with experience to step if things get rough...They kid is a leader,a role model, and thats what martinez needs by his side when things might not go so well. So keep your head up Lee and keep on fighting

[TXHSKR]

I have a hard time trusting the conspiracy theories which rely on interpretation of a coach's or staff member's feelings about a person. In the last few months we have things like:

 

1) Lee is in Bo's doghouse. Without someone hearing directly from Bo that he has a grudge against Lee, which I very much doubt anyone has heard, this is an interpretation of a situation, not a fact.

2) Watson and Bo aren't on the same page regarding which offense to run. Circumstantial evidence makes this easy to believe, but it's still circumstantial. This is probably the easiest to believe, but then again, we have to guess a little, too.

3. Watson would have started Lee. Unless you're in the coaches meetings you can't know this. It's highly unlikely that anyone posting here is a coach or an assistant. If you are, and you're posting about stuff that's being discussed in these meetings, you're likely not going to have a job much longer.

4. Joey Ganz doesn't like Lee. Again, without Ganzy telling someone, "I don't like Lee," this is speculation. Maybe somebody is around these guys and body language/nonvocal communication makes it obvious, but this also likely boils down to someone's interpretation of a situation, and therefore it is not fact.

 

I have no doubt that members of our board have greater than typical access to the team, and that some of you guys are discussing things you've heard from staff, players, or heard first-hand. But you all know you cannot provide evidence of what you know, which makes it really hard for those of us who don't have your access to fully buy into everything that's being said.

 

 

AMEN!!!

[knapplc]

I really feel like Green gets the snaps beacause he will be here (unless he transfers) for a couple more years and the coaches know that he needs the game reps, but if Martinez goes down, Lee will probably be THE guy. The experience that he brings to the table cannot be downplayed and I honeslty feel like if the game is still in question, Lee will be the guy to get things done.

We did see that game, SDSU, and Green still got the nod, even though he couldn't get the ball down the field.

 

Obviously, someone on the staff doesn't like Lee or what he brings to the table.

We were never really threatened in the SDSU game. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that I suspect that we will never again see a game like we saw against the Jackrabbits. There were some things that happened that I found... "fishy." Let's just say that.

I was at that game, and it certainly was fishy, but it also was very much in doubt.

 

What did you find fishy?

 

I think it was in doubt in much the same way that when we're fighting, my daughter lands several haymakers on me and sometimes knocks me down and severely wounds me. I think that if we really needed to, we could have won that game by far more than we did. The only truly shocking moment was their INT return for a TD, which was called back. Had that TD stood up I think the remaining 13 minutes or so of game would have looked quite a bit different than the previous 47 minutes.

 

As for what I found fishy, I'll save that for Friday. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I think there were things we did that were set up for the next game or two.

[ADS]

Gotta hand it to Zac, he has been a class act through out this process with Taylor and Cody. I would really like to see Zac get some quality time this year and get us in the endzone.

[Hercules]

I have a hard time trusting the conspiracy theories which rely on interpretation of a coach's or staff member's feelings about a person. In the last few months we have things like:

 

1) Lee is in Bo's doghouse. Without someone hearing directly from Bo that he has a grudge against Lee, which I very much doubt anyone has heard, this is an interpretation of a situation, not a fact.

2) Watson and Bo aren't on the same page regarding which offense to run. Circumstantial evidence makes this easy to believe, but it's still circumstantial. This is probably the easiest to believe, but then again, we have to guess a little, too.

3. Watson would have started Lee. Unless you're in the coaches meetings you can't know this. It's highly unlikely that anyone posting here is a coach or an assistant. If you are, and you're posting about stuff that's being discussed in these meetings, you're likely not going to have a job much longer.

4. Joey Ganz doesn't like Lee. Again, without Ganzy telling someone, "I don't like Lee," this is speculation. Maybe somebody is around these guys and body language/nonvocal communication makes it obvious, but this also likely boils down to someone's interpretation of a situation, and therefore it is not fact.

 

I have no doubt that members of our board have greater than typical access to the team, and that some of you guys are discussing things you've heard from staff, players, or heard first-hand. But you all know you cannot provide evidence of what you know, which makes it really hard for those of us who don't have your access to fully buy into everything that's being said.

 

 

AMEN!!!

[schuhbdoo]

First of all great article, glad to see that Zac is taking this well and taking the leadership role. The kid is in a tough spot, but like he said he has to go out and practice and be ready, still think this is an offense with no identity yet and i mean that saying if NU gets down by a touchdown or two in the 3rd qtr and the run is doing nothing, I don't quite have the faith in Martinez to use his arm in a comeback, but boy do I hope he proves me wrong!

I am not arguing that Tmart is not the best choice for what Bo wants.

 

I didn't word the thing as well as I would Like so I will try again.

 

1. I don't think Bo wants to lose anything. My point was more to the following. At some point I believe we are going to have to be able to throw the ball effectively to win games. It would be a travesty if Tmart was struggling to get it done and we didn't go to Lee at that point. Think about it though. Watson wanted Lee. What kind of mess would we have if Tmart struggled at Lee came in and saved the day. That is why Green is second.

 

2) the other things are true,, believe them or not. ganz doesn't like Lee. Lee graded out the best in fall. again, i am not saying Tmart isn't the best option, my question relates more to why Lee is 3rd and not 2nd. How does a guy that graded out first end up third string. Not starting I can see, but 3rd string come on. the only logical explanation is that since Bo made the call, he can't have the O-Coordinator's top choice coming in to save the day.

 

 

One legitimate reason could be that Lee is a senior and gone after this year. The top 2 QB's have a lot more time in the program. 2 full years for Green and 3 full years for Taylor. Game reps against non-conference can only help the no 2 get better, etc. They may feel the ship has sailed on the senior and let's get the young guns ready and get them seasoned now.

[Landlord]

I really feel like Green gets the snaps beacause he will be here (unless he transfers) for a couple more years and the coaches know that he needs the game reps, but if Martinez goes down, Lee will probably be THE guy. The experience that he brings to the table cannot be downplayed and I honeslty feel like if the game is still in question, Lee will be the guy to get things done.

We did see that game, SDSU, and Green still got the nod, even though he couldn't get the ball down the field.

 

Obviously, someone on the staff doesn't like Lee or what he brings to the table.

We were never really threatened in the SDSU game. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that I suspect that we will never again see a game like we saw against the Jackrabbits. There were some things that happened that I found... "fishy." Let's just say that.

I was at that game, and it certainly was fishy, but it also was very much in doubt.

 

What did you find fishy?

 

I think it was in doubt in much the same way that when we're fighting, my daughter lands several haymakers on me and sometimes knocks me down and severely wounds me. I think that if we really needed to, we could have won that game by far more than we did. The only truly shocking moment was their INT return for a TD, which was called back. Had that TD stood up I think the remaining 13 minutes or so of game would have looked quite a bit different than the previous 47 minutes.

 

As for what I found fishy, I'll save that for Friday. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I think there were things we did that were set up for the next game or two.

 

 

I agree with this, actually. I think that if we wanted or needed to, we could have hit the throttle and scored a bit more than we did, but the team was working out some various things during a time that they had the opportunity to do so. Just my opinion, though.

[huskerswrkhavoc]

Green is not better than Lee. In fact the grading process through the fall camp says that Green and Tmart are not better than Lee. Bo says they are because he likes their style and Bo is the only thought that counts.

 

That being said, the "competition" throughout fall was graded and Lee had the best grade.

 

Bo Liked the fact that Tmart beat his defense with his feet.

 

Bo wants the kind of offense we are moving towards.

 

Run first, run second, run last, and Tmart and Green do that better.

 

Ganz doesn't like Lee

 

Tmart threatens to take his ball and go home

 

 

At the end of the day, Lee is 3rd. Not because he is worse but because..............................

 

1. Bo wants a run first QB because he believes his Defense can win games and a runnin QB is what he wants

 

2. Lee can't be 2nd string because if he is it would create more of a QB controversy. If Tmart struggles the 2nd stringer comes in. If that is Lee and all of a sudden we get a few completions and Helu and Rex have success it will make the situation worse. Bo cannot have Lee coming in to save the day he simply can't. Not after overriding the O Coordinator's decision on starting QB and QB depth chart. The depth chart is completely reversed today than it would be if Watson made the decision.

 

The saddest part is with our talent, our schedule, and all of the other positives we have for this year, we may very well throw a Big 12 and possibly a NC opportunity away because of our head coaches stubborness.

 

 

Well, you can diss Bo until the cows come home.

 

But "if" you're saying Bo is throwing away the BigXII Championship and a possible NC because Lee isn't starting, well.....that is crazy. Lee is tough as leather and a great kid but our offense was nothing basically nonexistent last year. Of course that wasn't all on Lee at all but there's little to suggest Bo is wacked for going with Tmart. It's Bo's team and if he thinks we have to be able to run the ball to win big then that's his full right to do exactly that. Bo is in charge, not the OC.

 

Now why he's not 2nd string is a damn good question with Green continuing to look hopeless. I don't have any certain answers to that. If he doesn't get some snaps real soon (assuming Green doesn't magically turn it around pronto) something is very, very wrong. For now, I just gotta believe he really thought Green had the far higher upside and expected him to shine on the field. Heck, I thought he would too.

 

But he didn't and it hasn't been pretty. I bet we see Lee take over 2nd string very soon (like....probably "now") and I don't buy for a second that Bo's ego would rather NU lose than play Lee as you state.

 

The real season starts now.

 

 

All i did was read Travis' post and i KNEW this response was coming.

 

Well, what's your problem this time?

 

Just simply pointing out the Tmart love fest was on its way. I'll stick by my guns like I have since early on.. Tmart has the ability to break it with his legs, but he can't throw the ball. Plain and simple.

[knapplc]

Tmart has the ability to break it with his legs, but he can't throw the ball. Plain and simple.

 

"Can't throw the ball" is a little over-the-top. Already this year he's made some pretty good throws. He's made some truly horrible throws, too. It's almost like he's a redshirt freshman in a run-centric offense or something. Weird.

[Husker_x]

Tmart has the ability to break it with his legs, but he can't throw the ball. Plain and simple.

 

"Can't throw the ball" is a little over-the-top. Already this year he's made some pretty good throws. He's made some truly horrible throws, too. It's almost like he's a redshirt freshman in a run-centric offense or something. Weird.

 

Now that's ridiculous.