MichiganDad3 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I re-watched this game, and the NU defense lined up on the line of scrimmage. When did the NU start lining up off the line of scrimmage? Does anyone know why the change was implemented? I make a simple analysis: 2009 defense is number 1, 2011 defense is around 35, go back to the 2009 defense. Quote Link to comment
junior4949 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I'm guess a boy named Suh had a lot to do with that. Suh could play the 2 gap as well as get into the backfield. We haven't had a DL since then that could even hold Suh's jockstrap which is more than likely why they line up off the ball because they can't play the 2 gap and get penetration. Quote Link to comment
ADS Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Last year is when we started doing it, it would work if you had guys with speed coming out of their stance. But we do not have that at this point in time. Quote Link to comment
NUance Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Yeah, I think the extra distance back that our D-line lines up is something we started doing even before Kaz came. I've been wondering why we do it. It doesn't seem to be working. Or if it is working, I'd hate to think of what we'd look like without the extra 2' or 3' of gap. Quote Link to comment
It'sNotAFakeID Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 This is the one part of Bo's defensive scheme that doesn't make ANY sense to me. What good does lining up off the LOS do? What's the advantage of it? Is it to compensate for some other aspect of the defense? Is it to compensate for a lack of talent? I'm usually pretty understanding of the defense. But dammit this doesn't make sense to me. Quote Link to comment
junior4949 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 The theory of lining up a yard off the ball is to give the DL time to read and react to where the ball is going. The reason we didn't do it in 2009 was because Suh could take on two OL, still make his read, and then react tackling for a loss. Lining up off the line, the coaching staff recognized we don't have much on the DL and was trying to help them as much as possible. If they make the correct read and react, we only give up a yard or two. The two gap assignments mean the DL has to first read to see where the ball is going rather than just heading up field full steam ahead. The biggest problem with it is there just aren't a lot of quality college DL with the ability to do so. If you really want to see how horrible it can look, watch a few high school games where high school coaches ask high school DL to do it. Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 When I was watching our game last Saturday, I saw UCLA lining up off the ball like we do. I didn't pay attention to see if they did it every snap, but, it was still there. Quote Link to comment
MichiganDad3 Posted September 13, 2012 Author Share Posted September 13, 2012 The theory of lining up a yard off the ball is to give the DL time to read and react to where the ball is going. The reason we didn't do it in 2009 was because Suh could take on two OL, still make his read, and then react tackling for a loss. Lining up off the line, the coaching staff recognized we don't have much on the DL and was trying to help them as much as possible. If they make the correct read and react, we only give up a yard or two. The two gap assignments mean the DL has to first read to see where the ball is going rather than just heading up field full steam ahead. The biggest problem with it is there just aren't a lot of quality college DL with the ability to do so. If you really want to see how horrible it can look, watch a few high school games where high school coaches ask high school DL to do it. I guess the theory has been shown not to work in application. By the way, I also re-watched parts of games from 2010, and the DL did not line up off the LOS. Quote Link to comment
sd'sker Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 our defense should just line up at the goal line, arms locked. we might give up a lot of yards, but no points. simple and effective. Quote Link to comment
junior4949 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 The theory of lining up a yard off the ball is to give the DL time to read and react to where the ball is going. The reason we didn't do it in 2009 was because Suh could take on two OL, still make his read, and then react tackling for a loss. Lining up off the line, the coaching staff recognized we don't have much on the DL and was trying to help them as much as possible. If they make the correct read and react, we only give up a yard or two. The two gap assignments mean the DL has to first read to see where the ball is going rather than just heading up field full steam ahead. The biggest problem with it is there just aren't a lot of quality college DL with the ability to do so. If you really want to see how horrible it can look, watch a few high school games where high school coaches ask high school DL to do it. I guess the theory has been shown not to work in application. By the way, I also re-watched parts of games from 2010, and the DL did not line up off the LOS. The reason we didn't do it in 2010 probably has a lot more to do with the staff believing Crick was the next Suh. Quote Link to comment
ADS Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 The theory of lining up a yard off the ball is to give the DL time to read and react to where the ball is going. The reason we didn't do it in 2009 was because Suh could take on two OL, still make his read, and then react tackling for a loss. Lining up off the line, the coaching staff recognized we don't have much on the DL and was trying to help them as much as possible. If they make the correct read and react, we only give up a yard or two. The two gap assignments mean the DL has to first read to see where the ball is going rather than just heading up field full steam ahead. The biggest problem with it is there just aren't a lot of quality college DL with the ability to do so. If you really want to see how horrible it can look, watch a few high school games where high school coaches ask high school DL to do it. I guess the theory has been shown not to work in application. By the way, I also re-watched parts of games from 2010, and the DL did not line up off the LOS. The reason we didn't do it in 2010 probably has a lot more to do with the staff believing Crick was the next Suh. IMO it had more to do with having the best secondary in the country, so putting them on islands and winning everytime allowed him to let the dline bull-rush and let lavonte roam free. Quote Link to comment
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