knapplc Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Interactive map of U.S. gun laws. For everyone's information. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jan/15/gun-laws-united-states Link to comment
Junior Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I'm genuinely shocked by the lack of comments on the Daily Show segment. Apparently no one cares that some congressmen, with the help of the NRA, have undercut the ability of the ATF to monitor gun dealers. NRA = good. Obama = bad. Sad but true. The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, for instance, banned the A.T.F. from conducting more than one unannounced inspection of a gun dealer per year, and made it tougher for the agency to revoke the licenses of dealers who break the law. Congress has blocked the bureau from keeping a centralized computer database of gun transactions. Advocates say a database would make it easier to trace weapons, reducing the need for complex surveillance operations like Fast and Furious. “They’re left with literally trying to physically follow these guns out of the gun shop,” said Dennis Henigan, vice president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. At the same time, the N.R.A. has fought hard against measures intended to limit the number of guns that can be bought at a single time. That makes it easier for legal bulk purchases to morph into illegal trafficking, said Joe Vince, a retired A.T.F. agent who runs a consulting firm and also directs criminal justice programs at Mount St. Mary’s University in Maryland. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/us/politics/05guns.html?hp&_r=0 Link to comment
Junior Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 The Tiahrt Amendments, named for their original sponsor, U.S. Representative Todd Tiahrt (R-KS), are provisions attached to federal spending bills that make it harder for law enforcement officers to aggressively pursue criminals who buy and sell illegal guns. The amendments restrict cities, states and even the police from fully accessing and using Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) gun trace data, which can show where illegal guns are coming from, who buys them and how they get trafficked across state lines and into our communities. The Tiahrt provisions require the Federal Bureau of Investigation to destroy certain background check records within 24 hours, making it nearly impossible to use those records to help solve crimes or to identify gun buyers with criminal histories who were mistakenly approved. The Tiahrt Amendments also block ATF from requiring gun dealers to conduct inventory checks to detect loss and theft, which law enforcement says is a dangerous back channel source for criminals who are in the market for illegal guns. http://protectpolice.org/facts Link to comment
Junior Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Rep. Todd Tiahrt (Kan.) surprised many of his fellow Republicans last week when he offered a lengthy amendment, blessed by the National Rifle Association, to the 2004 funding bill for the Commerce, Justice and State departments. Tiahrt's eight-point amendment, which targets the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and was drafted with the NRA's help, would prohibit the use of federal funds for several bureau activities. It would prevent the bureau from requiring firearms dealers to conduct a physical inventory, from denying licenses to dealers whose sales fall below a certain level, and from demanding that certain dealers provide documentation for all used guns sold in a specific period. Rep. Frank R. Wolf (R-Va.), who chairs the appropriations subcommittee on Commerce, Justice and State, objected to the amendment, saying he had not had time to review it. "They may all have been good amendments, they may not," Wolf said. "I just didn't have an opportunity to go through and look at them. I could not accept an amendment without knowing what all the provisions do." Tiahrt refused to withdraw the amendment and won passage on a 31 to 30 vote. Before the vote, Tiahrt assured colleagues the NRA had reviewed the language, which won over some Democrats as well as several Republicans. "I wanted to make sure I was fulfilling the needs of my friends who are firearms dealers," Tiahrt said. NRA officials "were helpful in making sure I had my bases covered." Washington Post, July 21, 2003 http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-277856.html Link to comment
Army Husker Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Interactive map of U.S. gun laws. For everyone's information. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jan/15/gun-laws-united-states Good find...thanks. Link to comment
zoogs Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I hope the NRA has lost some respect for this. Link to comment
lo country Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Does it really come to the surprise of anyone that a lobby group promotes its own self interest? Really. Like the Dems are not in bed with special interest groups as well as the Republicans. Really? People are surprised......................... Link to comment
Junior Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Does it really come to the surprise of anyone that a lobby group promotes its own self interest? Really. Like the Dems are not in bed with special interest groups as well as the Republicans. Really? People are surprised......................... But how are they actually promoting their self interest? Isn't their interest the gun ownership rights of legal, responsible gun enthusiasts? How is preventing the ATF from finding and locking up people illegally selling and buying guns in the best interest of the NRA?! 1 Link to comment
N Sker Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Does it really come to the surprise of anyone that a lobby group promotes its own self interest? Really. Like the Dems are not in bed with special interest groups as well as the Republicans. Really? People are surprised......................... Exactly. And why should people trust the ATF more than the NRA? Where does the funding come from for either group? Link to comment
Junior Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Does it really come to the surprise of anyone that a lobby group promotes its own self interest? Really. Like the Dems are not in bed with special interest groups as well as the Republicans. Really? People are surprised......................... Exactly. And why should people trust the ATF more than the NRA? Where does the funding come from for either group? I'm not saying you should inherently trust the ATF over the NRA, but you do see what the NRA is doing right? Why do you trust the organization that is actively aiding criminals in getting weapons? The right says "oh well the criminals are always going to get the guns!" Well.... YEA! And if you keep preventing the law enforcement agencies from doing their jobs, it makes it a hell of a lot easier too. Link to comment
Junior Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 In another sign the National Rifle Association is confident it doesn’t need to change tactics after the Newtown, Conn. school shooting and the push for gun control it sparked, the group’s president took to CNN Wednesday and said once again that it’s just fine people on the federal terror watch list are able to legally buy firearms. “First of all there’s no evidence terrorists are buying guns,” David Keene told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. But the loophole in federal law allowing people on the terrorist watch list to buy guns has been well documented, and was a central subject of a recent major push for legislation reforming the background check system. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/nra-terrorists-guns.php Link to comment
Lil' Red Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I hope the NRA has lost some respect for this. I agree. Undermining the ATF's ability to do its job is simply unjustifiable. Link to comment
walksalone Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 http://newyork.newsday.com/westchester/journal-news-map-listed-guns-permits-stolen-from-new-city-home-cops-say-1.4463741 This whole thing is turning into a witch hunt... for those of you who aren't familiar, this is what started it... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/journal-news-gun-map Link to comment
Junior Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 http://newyork.newsd...s-say-1.4463741 This whole thing is turning into a witch hunt... for those of you who aren't familiar, this is what started it... http://www.huffingto...al-news-gun-map I'm not sure I understand your point. A newspaper publishing a list of gun owners has nothing to do with the ATF. You are looking at the above links that I provided and think it is reasonable for the NRA to push for? That the ATF can't demand for the accounting of a seller's gun inventory is insane! Pharmacists have to do more! Link to comment
carlfense Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 http://newyork.newsd...s-say-1.4463741 This whole thing is turning into a witch hunt... for those of you who aren't familiar, this is what started it... http://www.huffingto...al-news-gun-map I agree that the list shouldn't have been published but I don't really see a coherent message. In certain situations we're told that guns are a deterrent and that would be criminals prefer unarmed victims. Now some in the gun lobby are implying that publishing this list makes the gun owners targets for burglary? What happened to the unarmed victims line? 1 Link to comment
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