STL Husker Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17668499 Stephen A Smith talking about it today.... Damn I agree with Stephen A Smith on something. I might need to rethink this. Quote Link to comment
GBRHouston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I am going to get back to the topic of protesting during the national anthem, as arguing about whether or not there is racism is irrelevant and causes this thread to get unnecessarily heated. The country itself is not why racism exists. It is the society of many people in this country. Kneeling for the national anthem because the country "oppresses" black people is wrong. It is not the country that caused it. By kneeling for the anthem, you make it sound like they are being oppressed federally, when it is 100% society. That's the way you are interpreting it, which goes directly against MRI's statement on Monday. I was talking about what started the fad, not why MRI did it. Look at what Kaep said after he sat the first time. 1 Quote Link to comment
ColoNoCoHusker Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I am going to get back to the topic of protesting during the national anthem, as arguing about whether or not there is racism is irrelevant and causes this thread to get unnecessarily heated. The country itself is not why racism exists. It is the society of many people in this country. Kneeling for the national anthem because the country "oppresses" black people is wrong. It is not the country that caused it. By kneeling for the anthem, you make it sound like they are being oppressed federally, when it is 100% society. That's the way you are interpreting it, which goes directly against MRI's statement on Monday. I was talking about what started the fad, not why MRI did it. Look at what Kaep said after he sat the first time. Maybe the first bolded is the disconnect? Which fad are you talking about? Systemic & institutional repression of minorities? I think 300+ years is more than a fad... Or did you mean peaceful non-compliance during the national anthem? That's been going since there was a national anthem, definitely since the 1950s. Again, too long to be a fad. Let's looks at what Kaepernick said: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." How are the above incorrect from Kaepernick's and other athletes of color's life experiences? If many people of color all have similar experiences of racism and oppression, is it possible that our white experience is the exception? EDIT: The "it's not the country, it's the people" line is a cop-out. Show me a country that exists with a human population of 0... 2 Quote Link to comment
GBRHouston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I am going to get back to the topic of protesting during the national anthem, as arguing about whether or not there is racism is irrelevant and causes this thread to get unnecessarily heated. The country itself is not why racism exists. It is the society of many people in this country. Kneeling for the national anthem because the country "oppresses" black people is wrong. It is not the country that caused it. By kneeling for the anthem, you make it sound like they are being oppressed federally, when it is 100% society. That's the way you are interpreting it, which goes directly against MRI's statement on Monday. I was talking about what started the fad, not why MRI did it. Look at what Kaep said after he sat the first time. Maybe the first bolded is the disconnect? Which fad are you talking about? Systemic & institutional repression of minorities? I think 300+ years is more than a fad... Or did you mean peaceful non-compliance during the national anthem? That's been going since there was a national anthem, definitely since the 1950s. Again, too long to be a fad. Let's looks at what Kaepernick said: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." How are the above incorrect from Kaepernick's and other athletes of color's life experiences? If many people of color all have similar experiences of racism and oppression, is it possible that our white experience is the exception? EDIT: The "it's not the country, it's the people" line is a cop-out. Show me a country that exists with a human population of 0... Ugh. I am making legit points and they get shot down by saying they're "cop-outs." Kaepernick has always been an attention hog. I have always disliked him. I knew he wouldn't be happy when he became the backup. I still maintain the fact that he did this for attention. I will be disagreed with, but knowing what he has done in the past, that is my theory. Everyone is following him with legitimate points, but the person who came up with the idea came up with it for the wrong reasons. Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. 1 Quote Link to comment
STL Husker Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I am going to get back to the topic of protesting during the national anthem, as arguing about whether or not there is racism is irrelevant and causes this thread to get unnecessarily heated. The country itself is not why racism exists. It is the society of many people in this country. Kneeling for the national anthem because the country "oppresses" black people is wrong. It is not the country that caused it. By kneeling for the anthem, you make it sound like they are being oppressed federally, when it is 100% society. That's the way you are interpreting it, which goes directly against MRI's statement on Monday. I was talking about what started the fad, not why MRI did it. Look at what Kaep said after he sat the first time. Maybe the first bolded is the disconnect? Which fad are you talking about? Systemic & institutional repression of minorities? I think 300+ years is more than a fad... Or did you mean peaceful non-compliance during the national anthem? That's been going since there was a national anthem, definitely since the 1950s. Again, too long to be a fad. Let's looks at what Kaepernick said: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." How are the above incorrect from Kaepernick's and other athletes of color's life experiences? If many people of color all have similar experiences of racism and oppression, is it possible that our white experience is the exception? EDIT: The "it's not the country, it's the people" line is a cop-out. Show me a country that exists with a human population of 0... Ugh. I am making legit points and they get shot down by saying they're "cop-outs." Kaepernick has always been an attention hog. I have always disliked him. I knew he wouldn't be happy when he became the backup. I still maintain the fact that he did this for attention. I will be disagreed with, but knowing what he has done in the past, that is my theory. Everyone is following him with legitimate points, but the person who came up with the idea came up with it for the wrong reasons. Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. When would be a more convenient time for you to have them protest? 3 Quote Link to comment
GBRHouston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I am going to get back to the topic of protesting during the national anthem, as arguing about whether or not there is racism is irrelevant and causes this thread to get unnecessarily heated. The country itself is not why racism exists. It is the society of many people in this country. Kneeling for the national anthem because the country "oppresses" black people is wrong. It is not the country that caused it. By kneeling for the anthem, you make it sound like they are being oppressed federally, when it is 100% society. That's the way you are interpreting it, which goes directly against MRI's statement on Monday. I was talking about what started the fad, not why MRI did it. Look at what Kaep said after he sat the first time. Maybe the first bolded is the disconnect? Which fad are you talking about? Systemic & institutional repression of minorities? I think 300+ years is more than a fad... Or did you mean peaceful non-compliance during the national anthem? That's been going since there was a national anthem, definitely since the 1950s. Again, too long to be a fad. Let's looks at what Kaepernick said: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." How are the above incorrect from Kaepernick's and other athletes of color's life experiences? If many people of color all have similar experiences of racism and oppression, is it possible that our white experience is the exception? EDIT: The "it's not the country, it's the people" line is a cop-out. Show me a country that exists with a human population of 0... Ugh. I am making legit points and they get shot down by saying they're "cop-outs." Kaepernick has always been an attention hog. I have always disliked him. I knew he wouldn't be happy when he became the backup. I still maintain the fact that he did this for attention. I will be disagreed with, but knowing what he has done in the past, that is my theory. Everyone is following him with legitimate points, but the person who came up with the idea came up with it for the wrong reasons. Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. When would be a more convenient time for you to have them protest? A time that is not offensive to a ton of people. Name a time and place that will draw attention. Kaep did it, even though his idea sucked. Quote Link to comment
ColoNoCoHusker Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I am going to get back to the topic of protesting during the national anthem, as arguing about whether or not there is racism is irrelevant and causes this thread to get unnecessarily heated. The country itself is not why racism exists. It is the society of many people in this country. Kneeling for the national anthem because the country "oppresses" black people is wrong. It is not the country that caused it. By kneeling for the anthem, you make it sound like they are being oppressed federally, when it is 100% society. That's the way you are interpreting it, which goes directly against MRI's statement on Monday. I was talking about what started the fad, not why MRI did it. Look at what Kaep said after he sat the first time. Maybe the first bolded is the disconnect? Which fad are you talking about? Systemic & institutional repression of minorities? I think 300+ years is more than a fad... Or did you mean peaceful non-compliance during the national anthem? That's been going since there was a national anthem, definitely since the 1950s. Again, too long to be a fad. Let's looks at what Kaepernick said: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." How are the above incorrect from Kaepernick's and other athletes of color's life experiences? If many people of color all have similar experiences of racism and oppression, is it possible that our white experience is the exception? EDIT: The "it's not the country, it's the people" line is a cop-out. Show me a country that exists with a human population of 0... Ugh. I am making legit points and they get shot down by saying they're "cop-outs." Kaepernick has always been an attention hog. I have always disliked him. I knew he wouldn't be happy when he became the backup. I still maintain the fact that he did this for attention. I will be disagreed with, but knowing what he has done in the past, that is my theory. Everyone is following him with legitimate points, but the person who came up with the idea came up with it for the wrong reasons. Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. Now we are getting somewhere. As far as your opinion on Kaep, motivation, etc - you may be completely 100% spot on. When he first did this, I told friends/family/coworkers that Kaep was doing this for attention. That is the point of protest. Was Kaep doing it for selfish, "just need to be in the media" type attention? The same accusation could be leveled at every successful protest(er) and they may actually be true. First, if it is true, does it change the validity of the condition they are protesting (i.e. racism)? Second, what does it matter if someone seeks personal attention and that also creates attention on the condition (i.e. racism)? The protest that does not garner attention is somewhat of a wasted effort... As far as the national anthem being the time or place to protest... Not my call, not your call to make. Every agency that can make that determination has determined the opposite in this situation. Last questions - What is your opinion of MRI & the other Huskers that protested? What is your opinion on the racial backlash they received? Do you believe people of color in this country encounter racism on a consistent basis? Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. When would be a more convenient time for you to have them protest? A time that is not offensive to a ton of people. Name a time and place that will draw attention. Kaep did it, even though his idea sucked. I think we're getting hung up on semantics here. GBRHouston is (I believe) supportive of the right to protest, he just believes the National Anthem isn't the time or place. He knows that protests can happen anytime, anywhere, and he's OK with that. He just doesn't have to like it (and that's his right). Quote Link to comment
GBRHouston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. When would be a more convenient time for you to have them protest? A time that is not offensive to a ton of people. Name a time and place that will draw attention. Kaep did it, even though his idea sucked. I think we're getting hung up on semantics here. GBRHouston is (I believe) supportive of the right to protest, he just believes the National Anthem isn't the time or place. He knows that protests can happen anytime, anywhere, and he's OK with that. He just doesn't have to like it (and that's his right). Thank you! That is where I have been trying to get at for the past 10 pages but I kept getting bashed for topics I didn't even bring up. Quote Link to comment
junior4949 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I am going to get back to the topic of protesting during the national anthem, as arguing about whether or not there is racism is irrelevant and causes this thread to get unnecessarily heated. The country itself is not why racism exists. It is the society of many people in this country. Kneeling for the national anthem because the country "oppresses" black people is wrong. It is not the country that caused it. By kneeling for the anthem, you make it sound like they are being oppressed federally, when it is 100% society. That's the way you are interpreting it, which goes directly against MRI's statement on Monday. I was talking about what started the fad, not why MRI did it. Look at what Kaep said after he sat the first time. Maybe the first bolded is the disconnect? Which fad are you talking about? Systemic & institutional repression of minorities? I think 300+ years is more than a fad... Or did you mean peaceful non-compliance during the national anthem? That's been going since there was a national anthem, definitely since the 1950s. Again, too long to be a fad. Let's looks at what Kaepernick said: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." How are the above incorrect from Kaepernick's and other athletes of color's life experiences? If many people of color all have similar experiences of racism and oppression, is it possible that our white experience is the exception? EDIT: The "it's not the country, it's the people" line is a cop-out. Show me a country that exists with a human population of 0... Ugh. I am making legit points and they get shot down by saying they're "cop-outs." Kaepernick has always been an attention hog. I have always disliked him. I knew he wouldn't be happy when he became the backup. I still maintain the fact that he did this for attention. I will be disagreed with, but knowing what he has done in the past, that is my theory. Everyone is following him with legitimate points, but the person who came up with the idea came up with it for the wrong reasons. Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. When would be a more convenient time for you to have them protest? A time that is not offensive to a ton of people. Name a time and place that will draw attention. Kaep did it, even though his idea sucked. Why were a ton of people offended? If the media would keep the cameras off those kneeling during the national anthem, then who would know? It certainly wouldn't be anyone at the game because they'd all be looking at the flag right? It must be an election year when something like this is all it takes to keep the herd's focus off of the important details. Quote Link to comment
GBRHouston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) I am going to get back to the topic of protesting during the national anthem, as arguing about whether or not there is racism is irrelevant and causes this thread to get unnecessarily heated. The country itself is not why racism exists. It is the society of many people in this country. Kneeling for the national anthem because the country "oppresses" black people is wrong. It is not the country that caused it. By kneeling for the anthem, you make it sound like they are being oppressed federally, when it is 100% society. That's the way you are interpreting it, which goes directly against MRI's statement on Monday. I was talking about what started the fad, not why MRI did it. Look at what Kaep said after he sat the first time. Maybe the first bolded is the disconnect? Which fad are you talking about? Systemic & institutional repression of minorities? I think 300+ years is more than a fad... Or did you mean peaceful non-compliance during the national anthem? That's been going since there was a national anthem, definitely since the 1950s. Again, too long to be a fad. Let's looks at what Kaepernick said: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." How are the above incorrect from Kaepernick's and other athletes of color's life experiences? If many people of color all have similar experiences of racism and oppression, is it possible that our white experience is the exception? EDIT: The "it's not the country, it's the people" line is a cop-out. Show me a country that exists with a human population of 0... Ugh. I am making legit points and they get shot down by saying they're "cop-outs." Kaepernick has always been an attention hog. I have always disliked him. I knew he wouldn't be happy when he became the backup. I still maintain the fact that he did this for attention. I will be disagreed with, but knowing what he has done in the past, that is my theory. Everyone is following him with legitimate points, but the person who came up with the idea came up with it for the wrong reasons. Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. Now we are getting somewhere. As far as your opinion on Kaep, motivation, etc - you may be completely 100% spot on. When he first did this, I told friends/family/coworkers that Kaep was doing this for attention. That is the point of protest. Was Kaep doing it for selfish, "just need to be in the media" type attention? The same accusation could be leveled at every successful protest(er) and they may actually be true. First, if it is true, does it change the validity of the condition they are protesting (i.e. racism)? If Kaep hadn't started it, then anthem protests probably wouldn't have gotten much national attention. Not that a few people hadn't already been doing them. Second, what does it matter if someone seeks personal attention and that also creates attention on the condition (i.e. racism)? That would be doing it for the wrong reasons and starting something that wasn't meant to be started. The protest that does not garner attention is somewhat of a wasted effort... Yup. As far as the national anthem being the time or place to protest... Not my call, not your call to make. Every agency that can make that determination has determined the opposite in this situation. Spot on. Last questions - What is your opinion of MRI & the other Huskers that protested? What is your opinion on the racial backlash they received? Do you believe people of color in this country encounter racism on a consistent basis? I was against protesting a bit more until MRI released a statement. Now I am fine with protesting and don't mind it continuing in a different manner. Had Kaep issued a statement similar to that, I may respect this movement way more. As for racial backlash, it is just wrong and gives our program a bad name, which is why Green, Bounds, Eichorst, and Riley had to clean up that mess. Racial backlash was disgusting to see. I have answered that last question mark in this thread multiple times I believe. Edited September 29, 2016 by GBRHouston Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. When would be a more convenient time for you to have them protest? A time that is not offensive to a ton of people. Name a time and place that will draw attention. Kaep did it, even though his idea sucked. I think we're getting hung up on semantics here. GBRHouston is (I believe) supportive of the right to protest, he just believes the National Anthem isn't the time or place. He knows that protests can happen anytime, anywhere, and he's OK with that. He just doesn't have to like it (and that's his right). Thank you! That is where I have been trying to get at for the past 10 pages but I kept getting bashed for topics I didn't even bring up. I do understand your position. I just disagree with it. Quote Link to comment
GBRHouston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. When would be a more convenient time for you to have them protest? A time that is not offensive to a ton of people. Name a time and place that will draw attention. Kaep did it, even though his idea sucked. I think we're getting hung up on semantics here. GBRHouston is (I believe) supportive of the right to protest, he just believes the National Anthem isn't the time or place. He knows that protests can happen anytime, anywhere, and he's OK with that. He just doesn't have to like it (and that's his right). Thank you! That is where I have been trying to get at for the past 10 pages but I kept getting bashed for topics I didn't even bring up. I do understand your position. I just disagree with it. Hey, y'know what? I'm fine as long as it's understood. Quote Link to comment
ColoNoCoHusker Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I am going to get back to the topic of protesting during the national anthem, as arguing about whether or not there is racism is irrelevant and causes this thread to get unnecessarily heated. The country itself is not why racism exists. It is the society of many people in this country. Kneeling for the national anthem because the country "oppresses" black people is wrong. It is not the country that caused it. By kneeling for the anthem, you make it sound like they are being oppressed federally, when it is 100% society. That's the way you are interpreting it, which goes directly against MRI's statement on Monday. I was talking about what started the fad, not why MRI did it. Look at what Kaep said after he sat the first time. Maybe the first bolded is the disconnect? Which fad are you talking about? Systemic & institutional repression of minorities? I think 300+ years is more than a fad... Or did you mean peaceful non-compliance during the national anthem? That's been going since there was a national anthem, definitely since the 1950s. Again, too long to be a fad. Let's looks at what Kaepernick said: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." How are the above incorrect from Kaepernick's and other athletes of color's life experiences? If many people of color all have similar experiences of racism and oppression, is it possible that our white experience is the exception? EDIT: The "it's not the country, it's the people" line is a cop-out. Show me a country that exists with a human population of 0... Ugh. I am making legit points and they get shot down by saying they're "cop-outs." Kaepernick has always been an attention hog. I have always disliked him. I knew he wouldn't be happy when he became the backup. I still maintain the fact that he did this for attention. I will be disagreed with, but knowing what he has done in the past, that is my theory. Everyone is following him with legitimate points, but the person who came up with the idea came up with it for the wrong reasons. Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. Now we are getting somewhere. As far as your opinion on Kaep, motivation, etc - you may be completely 100% spot on. When he first did this, I told friends/family/coworkers that Kaep was doing this for attention. That is the point of protest. Was Kaep doing it for selfish, "just need to be in the media" type attention? The same accusation could be leveled at every successful protest(er) and they may actually be true. First, if it is true, does it change the validity of the condition they are protesting (i.e. racism)? If Kaep hadn't started it, then anthem protests probably wouldn't have gotten much national attention. Not that a few people hadn't already been doing them. Second, what does it matter if someone seeks personal attention and that also creates attention on the condition (i.e. racism)? That would be doing it for the wrong reasons and starting something that wasn't meant to be started. The protest that does not garner attention is somewhat of a wasted effort... Yup. As far as the national anthem being the time or place to protest... Not my call, not your call to make. Every agency that can make that determination has determined the opposite in this situation. Spot on. Last questions - What is your opinion of MRI & the other Huskers that protested? What is your opinion on the racial backlash they received? Do you believe people of color in this country encounter racism on a consistent basis? I was against protesting a bit more until MRI released a statement. Now I am fine with protesting and don't mind it continuing in a different manner. Had Kaep issued a statement similar to that, I may respect this movement way more. As for racial backlash, it is just wrong and gives our program a bad name, which is why Green, Bounds, Eichorst, and Riley had to clean up that mess. Racial backlash was disgusting to see. I have answered that last question mark in this thread multiple times I believe. Alright, thanks for humoring me... Quote Link to comment
GBRHouston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I am going to get back to the topic of protesting during the national anthem, as arguing about whether or not there is racism is irrelevant and causes this thread to get unnecessarily heated. The country itself is not why racism exists. It is the society of many people in this country. Kneeling for the national anthem because the country "oppresses" black people is wrong. It is not the country that caused it. By kneeling for the anthem, you make it sound like they are being oppressed federally, when it is 100% society. That's the way you are interpreting it, which goes directly against MRI's statement on Monday. I was talking about what started the fad, not why MRI did it. Look at what Kaep said after he sat the first time. Maybe the first bolded is the disconnect? Which fad are you talking about? Systemic & institutional repression of minorities? I think 300+ years is more than a fad... Or did you mean peaceful non-compliance during the national anthem? That's been going since there was a national anthem, definitely since the 1950s. Again, too long to be a fad. Let's looks at what Kaepernick said: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." How are the above incorrect from Kaepernick's and other athletes of color's life experiences? If many people of color all have similar experiences of racism and oppression, is it possible that our white experience is the exception? EDIT: The "it's not the country, it's the people" line is a cop-out. Show me a country that exists with a human population of 0... Ugh. I am making legit points and they get shot down by saying they're "cop-outs." Kaepernick has always been an attention hog. I have always disliked him. I knew he wouldn't be happy when he became the backup. I still maintain the fact that he did this for attention. I will be disagreed with, but knowing what he has done in the past, that is my theory. Everyone is following him with legitimate points, but the person who came up with the idea came up with it for the wrong reasons. Either way, the national anthem is not the time or place to protest. Now we are getting somewhere. As far as your opinion on Kaep, motivation, etc - you may be completely 100% spot on. When he first did this, I told friends/family/coworkers that Kaep was doing this for attention. That is the point of protest. Was Kaep doing it for selfish, "just need to be in the media" type attention? The same accusation could be leveled at every successful protest(er) and they may actually be true. First, if it is true, does it change the validity of the condition they are protesting (i.e. racism)? If Kaep hadn't started it, then anthem protests probably wouldn't have gotten much national attention. Not that a few people hadn't already been doing them. Second, what does it matter if someone seeks personal attention and that also creates attention on the condition (i.e. racism)? That would be doing it for the wrong reasons and starting something that wasn't meant to be started. The protest that does not garner attention is somewhat of a wasted effort... Yup. As far as the national anthem being the time or place to protest... Not my call, not your call to make. Every agency that can make that determination has determined the opposite in this situation. Spot on. Last questions - What is your opinion of MRI & the other Huskers that protested? What is your opinion on the racial backlash they received? Do you believe people of color in this country encounter racism on a consistent basis? I was against protesting a bit more until MRI released a statement. Now I am fine with protesting and don't mind it continuing in a different manner. Had Kaep issued a statement similar to that, I may respect this movement way more. As for racial backlash, it is just wrong and gives our program a bad name, which is why Green, Bounds, Eichorst, and Riley had to clean up that mess. Racial backlash was disgusting to see. I have answered that last question mark in this thread multiple times I believe. Alright, thanks for humoring me... Quote Link to comment
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