Utter

[cornstar]

 

 

 

 

I'm entirely sick of the bs "cupboard" is bare arguments. It's not supported by any real facts that are usually relied on in these discussions (e.g., recruiting ratings, particularly relative to our opponents).

 

It's based on lazy inductive reasoning that concludes that bad results mean bad talent because that's more comfortable than admitting that we have an average at best coaching staff.

 

I've seen this movie before. I really wish Husker fans would quit rebooting it.

Dylan Utter is an undersized, FCS-at-best talent. The simple fact that he hasn't been beaten out by anyone else on the offensive line can be directly correlated to the lack of ready-to-play talent that is available at the position.

I'm not going to comment on talent since the guy has started for 2 years in a row, but 295 is undersized for a FBS offensive lineman?

 

That's news to me.

 

I'm not sure if you know this, but more often than not linemen don't come in from high school ready to play. Those guys normally have to be developed.

Given that the average D1 O-lineman in 2014 was around 6'3, 305, then yea, that's undersized.

 

And I'm not sure you know this, but your second comment just proves mine; if we have a guy in the program that was ready to play at center, then Utter wouldn't be starting. So thanks for that.

10 lbs. lighter.....OK then...... <rolls eyes>

 

If Cav would give some snaps to some other guys, maybe the high 3*/4* Thurston would still be here.

 

Or, as much as some of you hate this, maybe the white walkon from Nebraska was just better.

[cornstar]

 

 

 

There's another factor to consider about Utter's performance:

 

https://twitter.com/ThorTripp/status/798221404944662528

 

 

 

I mean, there's reasonable critique of someone's performance and there's bashing a guy. Too much bashing going on here, not enough reasonable critique. And certainly not enough context being taken into account.

Good point. And let's not forget that almost every time it's been 3rd or 4th and 1 and a sneak (thankfully! Where has that been the last 15 years) is called, we get 2 or 3 yards.

 

Maybe this guy is smash mouth, but he's asked to play the dancing bear game too much.

By "dancing bear", you mean "pass blocking", right?

Are you saying that pretty much every time he is able to surge forward he doesn't get the QB 2 or 3 yards?

[DrunkOffPunch]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm entirely sick of the bs "cupboard" is bare arguments. It's not supported by any real facts that are usually relied on in these discussions (e.g., recruiting ratings, particularly relative to our opponents).

 

It's based on lazy inductive reasoning that concludes that bad results mean bad talent because that's more comfortable than admitting that we have an average at best coaching staff.

 

I've seen this movie before. I really wish Husker fans would quit rebooting it.

Dylan Utter is an undersized, FCS-at-best talent. The simple fact that he hasn't been beaten out by anyone else on the offensive line can be directly correlated to the lack of ready-to-play talent that is available at the position.

I'm not going to comment on talent since the guy has started for 2 years in a row, but 295 is undersized for a FBS offensive lineman?

 

That's news to me.

 

I'm not sure if you know this, but more often than not linemen don't come in from high school ready to play. Those guys normally have to be developed.

Given that the average D1 O-lineman in 2014 was around 6'3, 305, then yea, that's undersized.

 

And I'm not sure you know this, but your second comment just proves mine; if we have a guy in the program that was ready to play at center, then Utter wouldn't be starting. So thanks for that.

10 lbs. lighter.....OK then...... <rolls eyes>

 

If Cav would give some snaps to some other guys, maybe the high 3*/4* Thurston would still be here.

 

Or, as much as some of you hate this, maybe the white walkon from Nebraska was just better.

WTF does race have to do with this?

[Cdog923]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm entirely sick of the bs "cupboard" is bare arguments. It's not supported by any real facts that are usually relied on in these discussions (e.g., recruiting ratings, particularly relative to our opponents).

 

It's based on lazy inductive reasoning that concludes that bad results mean bad talent because that's more comfortable than admitting that we have an average at best coaching staff.

 

I've seen this movie before. I really wish Husker fans would quit rebooting it.

Dylan Utter is an undersized, FCS-at-best talent. The simple fact that he hasn't been beaten out by anyone else on the offensive line can be directly correlated to the lack of ready-to-play talent that is available at the position.

I'm not going to comment on talent since the guy has started for 2 years in a row, but 295 is undersized for a FBS offensive lineman?

 

That's news to me.

 

I'm not sure if you know this, but more often than not linemen don't come in from high school ready to play. Those guys normally have to be developed.

Given that the average D1 O-lineman in 2014 was around 6'3, 305, then yea, that's undersized.

 

And I'm not sure you know this, but your second comment just proves mine; if we have a guy in the program that was ready to play at center, then Utter wouldn't be starting. So thanks for that.

10 lbs. lighter.....OK then...... <rolls eyes>

 

If Cav would give some snaps to some other guys, maybe the high 3*/4* Thurston would still be here.

 

Or, as much as some of you hate this, maybe the white walkon from Nebraska was just better.

 

If you don't think that 3 inches short and 10 pounds lighter doesn't make a difference, you don't know much about interior line play.

 

Also, way to bring race into it.

[ScottyIce]

 

 

 

 

 

I'd need to see the tape. But it's kind of incredible that a guy so supposedly bad would start about 23 games at this point.

 

People see a couple of bad plays and jump all over a guy while ignoring what is done well.

 

If we are so weak in passpro, maybe we should give these guys a better shot by running more and using true play action. That would take a lot of pressure off guys like utter.

The coaches have to start 5 players on the o-line. Utter is not good, but he's the only guy who can do the job this year. That's why he's been starting for 2 years.

How can he possibly be the only guy who can do the job?

The only other center on the team is Decker, and he's having issues. The coaches have decided to redshirt all the true freshman. I think it's worth arguing that the freshmen could be playing, but to say that Utter is not bad just because he's started for 2 years is a flawed argument.

If we can win 9-10-11 games, WHICH WILL HAPPEN, and redshirt TRUE FRESHMEN OL, then we won, and we won big.

 

Almost all OL need to redshirt, heck, almost all freshmen need to redshirt. I understand it doesn't happen a ton, but we are sitting really pretty in terms of development due to the fact that we have been able to redshirt 80% of the past 2 recruiting classes. IT'S HOW YOU HAVE TO BUILD A PROGRAM. Then once in a while, you get a STUD (Sarrell) and they can step in right away because they are that good.

Has Sarrell committed to NU?

 

Yes.

[ScottyIce]

 

 

 

 

 

I'd need to see the tape. But it's kind of incredible that a guy so supposedly bad would start about 23 games at this point.

 

People see a couple of bad plays and jump all over a guy while ignoring what is done well.

 

If we are so weak in passpro, maybe we should give these guys a better shot by running more and using true play action. That would take a lot of pressure off guys like utter.

The coaches have to start 5 players on the o-line. Utter is not good, but he's the only guy who can do the job this year. That's why he's been starting for 2 years.

How can he possibly be the only guy who can do the job?

 

The only other center on the team is Decker, and he's having issues. The coaches have decided to redshirt all the true freshman. I think it's worth arguing that the freshmen could be playing, but to say that Utter is not bad just because he's started for 2 years is a flawed argument.

 

 

If we can win 9-10-11 games, WHICH WILL HAPPEN, and redshirt TRUE FRESHMEN OL, then we won, and we won big.

 

Almost all OL need to redshirt, heck, almost all freshmen need to redshirt. I understand it doesn't happen a ton, but we are sitting really pretty in terms of development due to the fact that we have been able to redshirt 80% of the past 2 recruiting classes. IT'S HOW YOU HAVE TO BUILD A PROGRAM. Then once in a while, you get a STUD (Sarrell) and they can step in right away because they are that good.

 

This is where I disagree with you. Winning 9-10-11 games will be nice, but that's not winning big. The only thing that would make this season a "winning big" season is the division championship. I think NU could have used some of those freshmen o-linemen and they could have played against Wisconsin and made a difference in that game. Winning that Wisconsin game and winning the division is why you play those freshmen o-linemen.

 

 

WHEN YOU COME IN TO THE PROGRAM RILEY INHERITED, COMPLETELY CHANGE THE SYSTEM, I MEAN COMPLETELY. THEN YOU ARE ABLE TO REDSHIRT KEY GUYS, THEN WIN 8-11 GAMES YOUR 2ND SEASON? THEN YOU WOOONNN BIIIIIIIGGGGGG

[ScottyIce]

 

 

A couple of things: First, it's okay to discuss a Husker player's performancegood or bad. But it's NOT okay to totally throw the guy under the bus. If he's playing, he is the best we have at that position.

 

I realize Utter gets beat sometimes. But there are other times when he holds his own. That, and there are other aspects of the center position. We haven't seen too many C/QB exchange problems lately. Has Tommy fumbled it off the snap this year? I don't remember any. And calling the blocking schemes. I guess he must be doing okay calling assignments. So there's that.

 

The two videos are pretty bad. They may be his two worst plays. But the guy is a gamer. Never a spot of trouble off the field. And think about the coin he had to shell out as a walk-on for the honor of coming to play for us. Say what you will about the times he gets blown up, but you gotta give Utter credit for panning out as a walk-on. Not many guys go from walk-on to a starting role on a P5 team. Still, we are gonna need better from the center position if we ever expect to have a running game in the Big Ten. Or pass protection.

 

Finally, recruiting. How could anyone possibly not lay much of the bare cupboard O-line responsibility on Pelini? As a rule you don't see too many true frosh starting on the O-line. Or even sophomores, for that matter. Riley has had one full recruiting cycle, plus the tail end of the 2015 recruiting period. So at this point Cav is pretty much relying on what he inherited. But starting about next year the Pelini excuse isn't going to cut it anymore for Riley and Cav.

Agreed.

 

Although, we will still be starting 4 of Pelini's recruits on the OL... Yes, they are being coached by this staff, I get it.

(Gates, Foster, Farmer, Knevel)

Four guys who were highly rated and had offers from top 10 programs coming out of HS.

 

But I get that you believe they are sh**ty because of who recruited them.

 

 

I didn't say those guys were sh**ty. Read better please.

[Cdog923]

 

 

 

There's another factor to consider about Utter's performance:

 

https://twitter.com/ThorTripp/status/798221404944662528

 

 

 

I mean, there's reasonable critique of someone's performance and there's bashing a guy. Too much bashing going on here, not enough reasonable critique. And certainly not enough context being taken into account.

Good point. And let's not forget that almost every time it's been 3rd or 4th and 1 and a sneak (thankfully! Where has that been the last 15 years) is called, we get 2 or 3 yards.

 

Maybe this guy is smash mouth, but he's asked to play the dancing bear game too much.

By "dancing bear", you mean "pass blocking", right?

Are you saying that pretty much every time he is able to surge forward he doesn't get the QB 2 or 3 yards?

 

Sure, he does a good job on QB sneaks. I just wish he was able to surge forward more than he is currently able to.

[Cdog923]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd need to see the tape. But it's kind of incredible that a guy so supposedly bad would start about 23 games at this point.

 

People see a couple of bad plays and jump all over a guy while ignoring what is done well.

 

If we are so weak in passpro, maybe we should give these guys a better shot by running more and using true play action. That would take a lot of pressure off guys like utter.

The coaches have to start 5 players on the o-line. Utter is not good, but he's the only guy who can do the job this year. That's why he's been starting for 2 years.

How can he possibly be the only guy who can do the job?

The only other center on the team is Decker, and he's having issues. The coaches have decided to redshirt all the true freshman. I think it's worth arguing that the freshmen could be playing, but to say that Utter is not bad just because he's started for 2 years is a flawed argument.

If we can win 9-10-11 games, WHICH WILL HAPPEN, and redshirt TRUE FRESHMEN OL, then we won, and we won big.

 

Almost all OL need to redshirt, heck, almost all freshmen need to redshirt. I understand it doesn't happen a ton, but we are sitting really pretty in terms of development due to the fact that we have been able to redshirt 80% of the past 2 recruiting classes. IT'S HOW YOU HAVE TO BUILD A PROGRAM. Then once in a while, you get a STUD (Sarrell) and they can step in right away because they are that good.

Has Sarrell committed to NU?

 

Yes.

 

Don't tease.

[ColoradoHusk]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd need to see the tape. But it's kind of incredible that a guy so supposedly bad would start about 23 games at this point.

 

People see a couple of bad plays and jump all over a guy while ignoring what is done well.

 

If we are so weak in passpro, maybe we should give these guys a better shot by running more and using true play action. That would take a lot of pressure off guys like utter.

The coaches have to start 5 players on the o-line. Utter is not good, but he's the only guy who can do the job this year. That's why he's been starting for 2 years.

How can he possibly be the only guy who can do the job?

 

The only other center on the team is Decker, and he's having issues. The coaches have decided to redshirt all the true freshman. I think it's worth arguing that the freshmen could be playing, but to say that Utter is not bad just because he's started for 2 years is a flawed argument.

 

 

If we can win 9-10-11 games, WHICH WILL HAPPEN, and redshirt TRUE FRESHMEN OL, then we won, and we won big.

 

Almost all OL need to redshirt, heck, almost all freshmen need to redshirt. I understand it doesn't happen a ton, but we are sitting really pretty in terms of development due to the fact that we have been able to redshirt 80% of the past 2 recruiting classes. IT'S HOW YOU HAVE TO BUILD A PROGRAM. Then once in a while, you get a STUD (Sarrell) and they can step in right away because they are that good.

 

This is where I disagree with you. Winning 9-10-11 games will be nice, but that's not winning big. The only thing that would make this season a "winning big" season is the division championship. I think NU could have used some of those freshmen o-linemen and they could have played against Wisconsin and made a difference in that game. Winning that Wisconsin game and winning the division is why you play those freshmen o-linemen.

 

 

WHEN YOU COME IN TO THE PROGRAM RILEY INHERITED, COMPLETELY CHANGE THE SYSTEM, I MEAN COMPLETELY. THEN YOU ARE ABLE TO REDSHIRT KEY GUYS, THEN WIN 8-11 GAMES YOUR 2ND SEASON? THEN YOU WOOONNN BIIIIIIIGGGGGG

 

Thanks all caps guy.

[ScottyIce]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd need to see the tape. But it's kind of incredible that a guy so supposedly bad would start about 23 games at this point.

 

People see a couple of bad plays and jump all over a guy while ignoring what is done well.

 

If we are so weak in passpro, maybe we should give these guys a better shot by running more and using true play action. That would take a lot of pressure off guys like utter.

The coaches have to start 5 players on the o-line. Utter is not good, but he's the only guy who can do the job this year. That's why he's been starting for 2 years.

How can he possibly be the only guy who can do the job?

 

The only other center on the team is Decker, and he's having issues. The coaches have decided to redshirt all the true freshman. I think it's worth arguing that the freshmen could be playing, but to say that Utter is not bad just because he's started for 2 years is a flawed argument.

 

 

If we can win 9-10-11 games, WHICH WILL HAPPEN, and redshirt TRUE FRESHMEN OL, then we won, and we won big.

 

Almost all OL need to redshirt, heck, almost all freshmen need to redshirt. I understand it doesn't happen a ton, but we are sitting really pretty in terms of development due to the fact that we have been able to redshirt 80% of the past 2 recruiting classes. IT'S HOW YOU HAVE TO BUILD A PROGRAM. Then once in a while, you get a STUD (Sarrell) and they can step in right away because they are that good.

 

This is where I disagree with you. Winning 9-10-11 games will be nice, but that's not winning big. The only thing that would make this season a "winning big" season is the division championship. I think NU could have used some of those freshmen o-linemen and they could have played against Wisconsin and made a difference in that game. Winning that Wisconsin game and winning the division is why you play those freshmen o-linemen.

 

 

WHEN YOU COME IN TO THE PROGRAM RILEY INHERITED, COMPLETELY CHANGE THE SYSTEM, I MEAN COMPLETELY. THEN YOU ARE ABLE TO REDSHIRT KEY GUYS, THEN WIN 8-11 GAMES YOUR 2ND SEASON? THEN YOU WOOONNN BIIIIIIIGGGGGG

 

Thanks all caps guy.

 

NO PROBLEM KNOW-IT-ALL GUY

[Cdog923]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd need to see the tape. But it's kind of incredible that a guy so supposedly bad would start about 23 games at this point.

 

People see a couple of bad plays and jump all over a guy while ignoring what is done well.

 

If we are so weak in passpro, maybe we should give these guys a better shot by running more and using true play action. That would take a lot of pressure off guys like utter.

The coaches have to start 5 players on the o-line. Utter is not good, but he's the only guy who can do the job this year. That's why he's been starting for 2 years.

How can he possibly be the only guy who can do the job?

 

The only other center on the team is Decker, and he's having issues. The coaches have decided to redshirt all the true freshman. I think it's worth arguing that the freshmen could be playing, but to say that Utter is not bad just because he's started for 2 years is a flawed argument.

 

 

If we can win 9-10-11 games, WHICH WILL HAPPEN, and redshirt TRUE FRESHMEN OL, then we won, and we won big.

 

Almost all OL need to redshirt, heck, almost all freshmen need to redshirt. I understand it doesn't happen a ton, but we are sitting really pretty in terms of development due to the fact that we have been able to redshirt 80% of the past 2 recruiting classes. IT'S HOW YOU HAVE TO BUILD A PROGRAM. Then once in a while, you get a STUD (Sarrell) and they can step in right away because they are that good.

 

This is where I disagree with you. Winning 9-10-11 games will be nice, but that's not winning big. The only thing that would make this season a "winning big" season is the division championship. I think NU could have used some of those freshmen o-linemen and they could have played against Wisconsin and made a difference in that game. Winning that Wisconsin game and winning the division is why you play those freshmen o-linemen.

 

 

WHEN YOU COME IN TO THE PROGRAM RILEY INHERITED, COMPLETELY CHANGE THE SYSTEM, I MEAN COMPLETELY. THEN YOU ARE ABLE TO REDSHIRT KEY GUYS, THEN WIN 8-11 GAMES YOUR 2ND SEASON? THEN YOU WOOONNN BIIIIIIIGGGGGG

 

Thanks all caps guy.

 

Is it Friday?

[ColoradoHusk]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd need to see the tape. But it's kind of incredible that a guy so supposedly bad would start about 23 games at this point.

 

People see a couple of bad plays and jump all over a guy while ignoring what is done well.

 

If we are so weak in passpro, maybe we should give these guys a better shot by running more and using true play action. That would take a lot of pressure off guys like utter.

The coaches have to start 5 players on the o-line. Utter is not good, but he's the only guy who can do the job this year. That's why he's been starting for 2 years.

How can he possibly be the only guy who can do the job?

 

The only other center on the team is Decker, and he's having issues. The coaches have decided to redshirt all the true freshman. I think it's worth arguing that the freshmen could be playing, but to say that Utter is not bad just because he's started for 2 years is a flawed argument.

 

 

If we can win 9-10-11 games, WHICH WILL HAPPEN, and redshirt TRUE FRESHMEN OL, then we won, and we won big.

 

Almost all OL need to redshirt, heck, almost all freshmen need to redshirt. I understand it doesn't happen a ton, but we are sitting really pretty in terms of development due to the fact that we have been able to redshirt 80% of the past 2 recruiting classes. IT'S HOW YOU HAVE TO BUILD A PROGRAM. Then once in a while, you get a STUD (Sarrell) and they can step in right away because they are that good.

 

This is where I disagree with you. Winning 9-10-11 games will be nice, but that's not winning big. The only thing that would make this season a "winning big" season is the division championship. I think NU could have used some of those freshmen o-linemen and they could have played against Wisconsin and made a difference in that game. Winning that Wisconsin game and winning the division is why you play those freshmen o-linemen.

 

 

WHEN YOU COME IN TO THE PROGRAM RILEY INHERITED, COMPLETELY CHANGE THE SYSTEM, I MEAN COMPLETELY. THEN YOU ARE ABLE TO REDSHIRT KEY GUYS, THEN WIN 8-11 GAMES YOUR 2ND SEASON? THEN YOU WOOONNN BIIIIIIIGGGGGG

 

Thanks all caps guy.

 

NO PROBLEM KNOW-IT-ALL GUY

 

I'm not trying to be know-it-all guy. I just have a differing opinion on the success of this year. I have given Riley and his staff plenty of credit for "winning the games they are supposed to". That's a great start. The Oregon win was great. The Wisconsin loss was so tough because that meant so much to the success of this season. I think Riley would trade a couple of redshirts on a couple of freshmen linemen if it means NU wins that Wisconsin game and NU is able to win the division championship this year. Riley gambled they could get away with playing so many walk-ons, and it bit him in the butt against Wisconsin.

[cornstar]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm entirely sick of the bs "cupboard" is bare arguments. It's not supported by any real facts that are usually relied on in these discussions (e.g., recruiting ratings, particularly relative to our opponents).

 

It's based on lazy inductive reasoning that concludes that bad results mean bad talent because that's more comfortable than admitting that we have an average at best coaching staff.

 

I've seen this movie before. I really wish Husker fans would quit rebooting it.

Dylan Utter is an undersized, FCS-at-best talent. The simple fact that he hasn't been beaten out by anyone else on the offensive line can be directly correlated to the lack of ready-to-play talent that is available at the position.

I'm not going to comment on talent since the guy has started for 2 years in a row, but 295 is undersized for a FBS offensive lineman?

 

That's news to me.

 

I'm not sure if you know this, but more often than not linemen don't come in from high school ready to play. Those guys normally have to be developed.

Given that the average D1 O-lineman in 2014 was around 6'3, 305, then yea, that's undersized.

 

And I'm not sure you know this, but your second comment just proves mine; if we have a guy in the program that was ready to play at center, then Utter wouldn't be starting. So thanks for that.

10 lbs. lighter.....OK then...... <rolls eyes>

 

If Cav would give some snaps to some other guys, maybe the high 3*/4* Thurston would still be here.

 

Or, as much as some of you hate this, maybe the white walkon from Nebraska was just better.

WTF does race have to do with this?

It's kinda the same distaste that many of our fans had for guys like O'Hanlan,Dzuris or Gangwish, or even back to a guy like Josh Davis(not a walk on).

[cornstar]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm entirely sick of the bs "cupboard" is bare arguments. It's not supported by any real facts that are usually relied on in these discussions (e.g., recruiting ratings, particularly relative to our opponents).

 

It's based on lazy inductive reasoning that concludes that bad results mean bad talent because that's more comfortable than admitting that we have an average at best coaching staff.

 

I've seen this movie before. I really wish Husker fans would quit rebooting it.

Dylan Utter is an undersized, FCS-at-best talent. The simple fact that he hasn't been beaten out by anyone else on the offensive line can be directly correlated to the lack of ready-to-play talent that is available at the position.

I'm not going to comment on talent since the guy has started for 2 years in a row, but 295 is undersized for a FBS offensive lineman?

 

That's news to me.

 

I'm not sure if you know this, but more often than not linemen don't come in from high school ready to play. Those guys normally have to be developed.

Given that the average D1 O-lineman in 2014 was around 6'3, 305, then yea, that's undersized.

 

And I'm not sure you know this, but your second comment just proves mine; if we have a guy in the program that was ready to play at center, then Utter wouldn't be starting. So thanks for that.

10 lbs. lighter.....OK then...... <rolls eyes>

 

If Cav would give some snaps to some other guys, maybe the high 3*/4* Thurston would still be here.

 

Or, as much as some of you hate this, maybe the white walkon from Nebraska was just better.

If you don't think that 3 inches short and 10 pounds lighter doesn't make a difference, you don't know much about interior line play.

Yeah, I only played OG, what would I know?

 

I know that leverage is important and getting under the pads of the DL gives you distinct leverage advantage.