MichiganDad3 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Cdog923 said: Erroneous; they ran a pro spread; that offense was not option heavy. Still waiting. Should I rattle off the last 20 national champions that have won using some variety of the forward pass? Not option heavy? Vince Young ran for over 1000 yards. 2 Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 BTW, Clemson did throw it, don't get me wrong. But one of dabo's money plays was a fake-pitch QB counter, and it worked beautifully against both the buckeyes and tide. I know it's not option, but it is the QB running the ball. Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Cdog923 said: I really don't give a crap how many national champions in the last 20 years were heavy option teams. Doesn't matter. Know why? Because we aren't even in the same galaxy when it comes to competing for conference titles, much less national titles. I believe a strong option offense would at least get us back in the conversation. What we're doing now certainly isn't working, I'm sure you can agree on that. 1 Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Why don't you answer some of my questions? Do you want to stick with this mamby-pamby 3+ interceptions lose to a Mac school offense? 1 Quote Link to comment
Cdog923 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, MichiganDad3 said: Not option heavy? Vince Young ran for over 1000 yards. He also threw for 3000+; you're willing to tell me that Texas ran an option-heavy offense? Quote Link to comment
Pedro Guerrero Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Georgia Tech averages 7-8 wins a year and 5 losses running the triple option and have finished ranked 3 out of 9 years. They are 2 years removed from a 3-9 (1-7) season. That's what we are aiming for now? 2 Quote Link to comment
Cdog923 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jeremy said: Why don't you answer some of my questions? Do you want to stick with this mamby-pamby 3+ interceptions lose to a Mac school offense? Because you aren't asking the right questions. Instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater (which, let's be honest, would probably be intercepted at this point in time), you should be asking where we can find an offensive line and someone that can coach them. Regardless of scheme, you aren't winning with the garbage out on the field right now. 3 Quote Link to comment
Blackshirt_Revival Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 A run first offensive identity, with an emphasis on power where the QB is a threat to both run and pass, with a healthy amount of option sprinkled in, is the way we need to go, IMHO. Imagine Stanford, Michigan, or Wisconsin's offense if paired with a dual-threat QB with sufficient passing and running abilities, where option plays (be it zone read or under center out of I-formation, whatever) constituted a healthy portion of the offense. The best example that comes to mind for me is Wisconsin's offense when Russell Wilson was there. I realize Wilson is an elite QB, but just using that for reference of the sort of style I think would suit us best. Granted they've only played 2 games, but D.J. Durkin's offense at Maryland so far this year has looked very much like the kind of offense I think would suit us and do well here. Regardless of scheme, the O-Line play needs to be physical, mean, and nasty. 2 Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, Cdog923 said: Because you aren't asking the right questions. Instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater (which, let's be honest, would probably be intercepted at this point in time), you should be asking where we can find an offensive line and someone that can coach them. Regardless of scheme, you aren't winning with the garbage out on the field right now. Okay, I can agree with that. I'm thinking, though, that it will start with a run-first mentality from a new coaching staff. These guys simply can't do it. Guys like Johnson, Calhoun, and maybe Frost could turn it around. On the other side of it, I would love Mike Leach in Lincoln. I know, I know, it contradicts everything I've been saying. However, it's more about system and identity, not throwing crap at the wall, which is what we've done for 14 years. Leach is a proven winner, and his system works everywhere. The air raid works with even marginal athletes. Either way, we need change, and fast. 1 Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 21 minutes ago, Pedro Guerrero said: Georgia Tech averages 7-8 wins a year and 5 losses running the triple option and have finished ranked 3 out of 9 years. They are 2 years removed from a 3-9 (1-7) season. That's what we are aiming for now? We have advantages that GT doesn't have. I also seriously doubt we lose to a Mac school running the ball like they do. Quote Link to comment
Hayseed Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 31 minutes ago, Pedro Guerrero said: Georgia Tech averages 7-8 wins a year and 5 losses running the triple option and have finished ranked 3 out of 9 years. They are 2 years removed from a 3-9 (1-7) season. That's what we are aiming for now? No, we're not aiming for that. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment
MichiganDad3 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, Pedro Guerrero said: Georgia Tech averages 7-8 wins a year and 5 losses running the triple option and have finished ranked 3 out of 9 years. They are 2 years removed from a 3-9 (1-7) season. That's what we are aiming for now? Beats the heck out of what we have now. 1 Quote Link to comment
Hayseed Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Jeremy said: Okay, I can agree with that. I'm thinking, though, that it will start with a run-first mentality from a new coaching staff. These guys simply can't do it. Guys like Johnson, Calhoun, and maybe Frost could turn it around. On the other side of it, I would love Mike Leach in Lincoln. I know, I know, it contradicts everything I've been saying. However, it's more about system and identity, not throwing crap at the wall, which is what we've done for 14 years. Leach is a proven winner, and his system works everywhere. The air raid works with even marginal athletes. Either way, we need change, and fast. I'm no expert on Leach, but it looks like his passing offense was never better than #12 at TT and just average at Wash St. I don't see him being any better than Pelini.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Leach_(American_football_coach)#Kentucky Not saying he's bad, just not our style and no more guarantee than any of the others mentioned. Quote Link to comment
neepster Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 If Frost comes here, isn't the offense he runs a version of the spread offense? Lots of option in many spread offenses. Heck Urban Meyer had a lot of option in his spread originally. I was in Gainesville watching some of his first games with Chris Leak and he was running some option with Leak (and Leak could throw the ball like it was on a rope). I'd be good with some spread + option... 1 Quote Link to comment
In the Deed the Glory Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, neepster said: If Frost comes here, isn't the offense he runs a version of the spread offense? Lots of option in many spread offenses. Heck Urban Meyer had a lot of option in his spread originally. I was in Gainesville watching some of his first games with Chris Leak and he was running some option with Leak (and Leak could throw the ball like it was on a rope). I'd be good with some spread + option... Yes, Frost runs a power spread option. It is awesome. 1 Quote Link to comment
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