2017 NCAA Volleyball Final Four

[Landlord]

On 12/16/2017 at 10:49 PM, Kiyoat Husker said:

 

 

I'm int his gif First row, third to the right of the aisle

[Bornhusker]

On 12/16/2017 at 10:55 PM, VectorVictor said:

Wow...Florida didn’t even make it a game for half of the match. I expected the Husker women to win...but damn, they made Florida look silly. Still stand by statement that the Penn State semi was the “real” National Championship match. 

 

Congrats to our Volleyball team, you all did an excellent job, and you all are a great example of how a team is bigger than the sum of its parts. 

 

 

 

 

Florida made Florida look silly. They were not a very well coached team, making stupid mistakes at the net numerous times. They were also not a mentally tough team!

There were a couple times when they got rolling and NU couldn't handle them, but because of their weaknesses NU was able to come back every time.

 

John Cook could coach baseball and would win, he actually started his career as a football coach. NU was the less "talented" team, but by far the best mentally tough team and of course the best coached team. Just think what a 6' 8" player would do under Cook.. Man oh man!

 

Edited December 18, 2017 by Bornhusker

[knapplc]

25 minutes ago, Bornhusker said:

Florida made Florida look silly. They were not a very well coached team, making stupid mistakes at the net numerous times. They were also not a mentally tough team!

There were a couple times when they got rolling and NU couldn't handle them, but because of their weaknesses NU was able to come back every time.

 

They aren't badly coached, they just ran into a better team.  Mary Wise won the AVCA Coach of the Year award (which should have gone to Cook), and while we may debate the merits of that, she's not only not a bad coach, she's been a pretty good coach for a pretty long time.

 

Florida looked silly when Nebraska was on their game. When we weren't, in the third game, Florida looked good.  No team gets to the Finals by accident. Florida didn't beat Stanford without reason. 

 

It's just that Nebraska was overall a far better coached team, whose players understood their roles and executed those roles well.

 

Don't take my word for it.  Watch the Gators beat Stanford.

 

 

[huKSer]

41 minutes ago, Bornhusker said:

 

Florida made Florida look silly. They were not a very well coached team, making stupid mistakes at the net numerous times. They were also not a mentally tough team!

There were a couple times when they got rolling and NU couldn't handle them, but because of their weaknesses NU was able to come back every time.

 

John Cook could coach baseball and would win, he actually started his career as a football coach. NU was the less "talented" team, but by far the best mentally tough team and of course the best coached team. Just think what a 6' 8" player would do under Cook.. Man oh man!

 

Don't forget his ability to surround himself with great assistant coaches ..... unlike many of our recent football coaches.

 

[Bornhusker]

10 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

They aren't badly coached, they just ran into a better team.  Mary Wise won the AVCA Coach of the Year award (which should have gone to Cook), and while we may debate the merits of that, she's not only not a bad coach, she's been a pretty good coach for a pretty long time.

 

Florida looked silly when Nebraska was on their game. When we weren't, in the third game, Florida looked good.  No team gets to the Finals by accident. Florida didn't beat Stanford without reason. 

 

It's just that Nebraska was overall a far better coached team, whose players understood their roles and executed those roles well.

 

Don't take my word for it.  Watch the Gators beat Stanford.

 

 

 

 

Ok, bad was the wrong term, but you can clearly see when a player/team makes the kind of mistakes they made there is a  coaching problem. Every time we had an opportunity to put the ball down at the net we did it, every time they did they botched it. That is mentally weak and that can be fixed through coaching. Same with the hitting errors. NU didn't do anything to make Florida look silly, except maybe a couple times at the net, Florida made themselves look silly with the many hitting mistakes and straight up bad decisions (letting balls drop on overpasses that should never have dropped).

 

At the end of your post you agree with me, NU is a better coached team! players knowing their role is part of the coaches job. As I am sure the inevitable statement will come... yes, I know a thing or two about volleyball and coaching volleyball, I have done both.

 

7 minutes ago, huKSer said:

Don't forget his ability to surround himself with great assistant coaches ..... unlike many of our recent football coaches.

 

 

no doubt about that. I, personally, believe he makes those assistant coaches better.

Edited December 18, 2017 by Bornhusker

[knapplc]

10 minutes ago, Bornhusker said:

At the end of your post you agree with me, NU is a better coached team! players knowing their role is part of the coaches job.

 

No, I don't agree with you.  Every team is less well coached than Nebraska.  That's not a knock on Mary Wise.

 

Again, she didn't coach that team to the Finals, beating Stanford along the way, because she's a bad coach. 

 

[Bornhusker]

7 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

No, I don't agree with you.  Every team is less well coached than Nebraska.  That's not a knock on Mary Wise.

 

Again, she didn't coach that team to the Finals, beating Stanford along the way, because she's a bad coach. 

 

 

and I didn't say she was a bad coach, I said they were not very well coached, which is 100% true, and there is a difference. My mistake was I should have clarified better. I was more talking about for this game. That said, those mental mistakes fall on the coach, she did not have them prepared. Well coached, mentally strong teams overcome mistakes, teams that are not, don't.. they didn't! There is a reason why teams do not serve receive well under pressure!

Edited December 18, 2017 by Bornhusker

[knapplc]

OK, if you're just talking about the Championship match and not her overall as a coach, I would agree.  In fact, I think she tipped her hand about her mentality heading into the Finals by saying they were going to play another "road game" during the presser.  I felt that was exactly the wrong message to send to her team, and it showed in the way they played. 

 

Nebraska is, overall, a better team than Florida.  That showed very clearly in the three games we won - two of them weren't competitive, and the third wasn't really in doubt.  I think Florida was mentally unprepared to play against a good Nebraska team, but also in front of that massive crowd. That crowd was probably ten times larger than any previous hostile crowd they'd played against. It had an effect.

[Bornhusker]

9 minutes ago, knapplc said:

OK, if you're just talking about the Championship match and not her overall as a coach, I would agree.  In fact, I think she tipped her hand about her mentality heading into the Finals by saying they were going to play another "road game" during the presser.  I felt that was exactly the wrong message to send to her team, and it showed in the way they played. 

 

Nebraska is, overall, a better team than Florida.  That showed very clearly in the three games we won - two of them weren't competitive, and the third wasn't really in doubt.  I think Florida was mentally unprepared to play against a good Nebraska team, but also in front of that massive crowd. That crowd was probably ten times larger than any previous hostile crowd they'd played against. It had an effect.

 

 

yeah, my mistake. I should have better clarified my position. Even very good coaches can make mistakes and have teams unprepared.

 

and yes, I 100% agree NU is the better overall team for a number of reasons.. being mentally tough is a big part of that.

[JKinney]

For someone in the know :  What was the talent comparison between Nebraska, Penn State, and Florida?

 

I was not an avid Nebraska volleyball fan (until now!) and I was curious if anyone had some thoughts on this.  Based on my very uneducated eye test, it seemed to me that Penn State and Florida both had better athletes, in the sense that they seemed bigger, faster, and stronger on the whole.  But that Nebraska seemed much better coached.  Agree or disagree?

[VectorVictor]

7 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

I'm int his gif First row, third to the right of the aisle

 

You're the blonde woman? Damn...didn't picture that. 

[knapplc]

13 minutes ago, JKinney said:

For someone in the know :  What was the talent comparison between Nebraska, Penn State, and Florida?

 

I was not an avid Nebraska volleyball fan (until now!) and I was curious if anyone had some thoughts on this.  Based on my very uneducated eye test, it seemed to me that Penn State and Florida both had better athletes, in the sense that they seemed bigger, faster, and stronger on the whole.  But that Nebraska seemed much better coached.  Agree or disagree?

 

Nebraska's players are definitely not less athletic than Penn State or Florida.  We train our kids in the weight room with stamina and explosiveness in mind. Not all programs follow the same regimen, so maybe athletes look different from team to team, but on pure athleticism, we're on par with anyone in the nation.  Cook is building a team, not signing individual hired guns, so the eye test isn't necessarily the best way to go about it.  If you judge a Ferrari based on its grease-covered crank case you won't be impressed, but when you put that piece where it belongs on the car, it's going to do its job very, very well.

 

That said, our recruiting classes are always among the top in the nation.  Stanford, Nebraska, Penn State, Washington, Texas, Wisconsin... all of these schools are always in the top 5-10-15 in recruiting.  Rankings are a bit tougher in Volleyball than in a better-covered sport like Football because there simply aren't enough scouts in the recruiting services to go around and see all the 100,000 girls playing high school & club volleyball. 

 

As far as talent goes, you can trust John Cook to offer ONLY the best players to fit his system.  If a girl is ranked, say, 25th in her class at OH, and Cook offered her, the recruiting ranks are wrong.  Cook's eye for talent is unquestionable. 

[Gage County]

9 hours ago, Landlord said:

I'm int his gif First row, third to the right of the aisle

 

You don't look anything like my mind imagined you. I love your beautiful blonde hair.

[Landlord]

thought it was clear through deductive reasoning that i wasn't a cheerleader and meant the first row behind them

[VectorVictor]

21 hours ago, Landlord said:

thought it was clear through deductive reasoning that i wasn't a cheerleader and meant the first row behind them

 

On 12/18/2017 at 1:22 AM, Landlord said:

 

 

I'm int his gif First row, third to the right of the aisle

 

I think that Landlord is second-guessing outing herself to the board and is trying to get us to confuse a blonde cheerleader in the first row with the guy from the second row. 

 

Sorry, but your ruse won't work.