Archy1221 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 10 hours ago, funhusker said: Shooting from the hip: But I would guess it would be a really bad look. Kind of like how teachers aren't allowed to endorse candidates in class. Although some wrongfully do. And honestly, should be fired for. Except, there is a huge shortage! Maybe LEO's should endorse, because they are also facing a shortage! Teachers can endorse candidates in their personal capacity just the same as LEO can which is why it’s weird for @BigRedBusterto say LEO’s aren’t supposed to endorse candidates. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: Teachers can endorse candidates in their personal capacity just the same as LEO can which is why it’s weird for @BigRedBusterto say LEO’s aren’t supposed to endorse candidates. Here’s one set of rules for a city. https://www.seattle.gov/police-manual/title-5---employee-conduct/5060---employee-political-activity Prohibited: 3. Using their City position to endorse or oppose a candidate or ballot issue. Im sure other municipalities have the same rules. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Here’s another. https://osc.gov/services/pages/hatchact-statelocal.aspx#tabGroup11|tabGroup31 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 36 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: Here’s one set of rules for a city. https://www.seattle.gov/police-manual/title-5---employee-conduct/5060---employee-political-activity Prohibited: 3. Using their City position to endorse or oppose a candidate or ballot issue. Im sure other municipalities have the same rules. Thanks and appreciate you looking that up, but I still don’t any law, rule, or reasoning on why a LEO can’t endorse a candidate in a personal capacity? Meaning Joe or Jane Police Officer can have yard signs or allow the campaign to say they endorse that candidate. I understand the endorsement couldn’t come as Joe Smith, Lincoln Police Officer. But it certainly could be Joe Smith, Lincoln Citizen 1 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 39 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: Thanks and appreciate you looking that up, but I still don’t any law, rule, or reasoning on why a LEO can’t endorse a candidate in a personal capacity? Meaning Joe or Jane Police Officer can have yard signs or allow the campaign to say they endorse that candidate. I understand the endorsement couldn’t come as Joe Smith, Lincoln Police Officer. But it certainly could be Joe Smith, Lincoln Citizen The tweet you posted obviously wasn’t about LEOs just putting signs in their yard as random citizens. It was specifically about Police officers endorsing a candidate and using their position to do so. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 28 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: The tweet you posted obviously wasn’t about LEOs just putting signs in their yard as random citizens. It was specifically about Police officers endorsing a candidate and using their position to do so. You are wrong on this one IMO. The tweet NEVER mentioned police officers using their position to do so. The CANDIDATE put their position in the press release. 1 2 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Archy1221 said: You are wrong on this one IMO. The tweet NEVER mentioned police officers using their position to do so. The CANDIDATE put their position in the press release. How did he know they were police officers? 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 39 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: How did he know they were police officers? LinkedIn? Not really sure though. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: LinkedIn? Not really sure though. So, you think the candidate searched social media of everyone that put his sign in their front yard. Then, announced that these two police officers endorse him….without them coming forward and saying he can do that? Then, you mock him because only 2 out of 14,000 endorsed him. How do you know the others don’t support him? Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: So, you think the candidate searched social media of everyone that put his sign in their front yard No. Surely you knew the LinkedIn comment was made in jest. 21 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: Then, you mock him because only 2 out of 14,000 endorsed him Yes 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: No. Surely you knew the LinkedIn comment was made in jest. Yes So…..the candidate claims someone endorses him…..and you don’t think those people told him he could say that? Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 54 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: So…..the candidate claims someone endorses him…..and you don’t think those people told him he could say that? Couple things…. 1) 7 of them were retired who can do what they want. 1 is a sheriff which can do what he wants and 1 it looked like is a police captain. 2) you never answered why e.g. Joe Smith who happens to be a police officer can’t endorse a candidate on his own time? Out of uniform and not in association with his job? Why can’t he tell a campaign he is endorsing him, as a private citizen who happens to also work as an LEO? 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said: So…..the candidate claims someone endorses him…..and you don’t think those people told him he could say that? If you don’t want to take my word for it, then take the official position of the DOJ’s word for it on endorsing candidates. One would assume local LEO’s would follow that type of standard. I’ve bolded them relevant portion for you Most Employees May:* - Express opinions on political subjects and candidates. Campaign for or against a referendum, constitutional amendment or ordinance. Participate in civic, professional and other similar activities. Sign a political petition. Display signs, stickers, badges or buttons for candidates for partisan political office except when on duty. Register and vote. Run as a candidate or support a candidate in a non-partisan election. Contribute to a political party, or a candidate in a partisan election. Join, organize and serve as an officer of a political party or group. Address a convention, caucus, rally or similar gathering of a political party for or against a partisan political candidate. Participate in a nominating caucus, convention, rally or other political gathering. Initiate and circulate a nominating petition for a partisan candidate. Canvass for votes for or against a candidate for partisan political office. Endorse or oppose a partisan political candidate. Participate in and manage the campaign of a partisan political candidate. Serve as a poll watcher, election judge or clerk for a partisan candidate or party. Drive voters to polls on behalf of a partisan political candidate or party. Attend, address, but not solicit funds, at a political fundraiser. Solicit, accept or receive volunteer services except from a subordinate. Solicit, accept or receive certain contributions from a fellow member of a federal labor organization or other employee organization who is not a subordinate. Run as an independent candidate in a partisan election in certain communities and accept and receive but not solicit contributions from the public. 1 Link to comment
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