NBA 2023-24

[Guy Chamberlin]

55 minutes ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

Not just leagues, but anything.

 

If you think about it, we can't trust scientists either, because it's their job, not their hobby.

 

It did feel like this thread was going a lot more P&R than it warranted. 

[admo]

1 hour ago, Jason Sitoke said:

So your argument is that referees get paychecks from their employers, therefore game is compromised.  Don’t all leagues work this way?  Don’t college officials get paid by their conferences, and wouldn’t these conferences have the same financial motivation as any of the professional leagues?  So then, by your logic, aren’t all athletic organizations that are primarily revenue driven no longer sports, but rather ‘businesses meant to resemble’ their respective sports?

Couldn’t let this one go either….Michael Jordan got on ‘the good side’ of David Stern?  What, by being a transcendent athlete that grew the popularity of the league of which he was commissioner?

Actually I was having a counter-argument to your counter-argument to Mav's thoughts and opinions 

 

Anyway it's all good and fun sports talk & opinions, and nothing to be taken too seriously.  I really do love the high scoring games, the deep shots and the incredible athletes that play the game.  

[Jason Sitoke]

1 hour ago, admo said:

Actually I was having a counter-argument to your counter-argument to Mav's thoughts and opinions 

 

Anyway it's all good and fun sports talk & opinions, and nothing to be taken too seriously.  I really do love the high scoring games, the deep shots and the incredible athletes that play the game.  

Defender of all things Mav and Mavs

[admo]

12 hours ago, Jason Sitoke said:

Defender of all things Mav and Mavs

#Facts

 

 

[Cdog923]

23 hours ago, Jason Sitoke said:

Couldn’t let this one go either….Michael Jordan got on ‘the good side’ of David Stern?  What, by being a transcendent athlete that grew the popularity of the league of which he was commissioner?

 

I mean, it certainly helped; he only got suspended for a year and half for gambling instead of getting thrown out of the league altogether. 

[Guy Chamberlin]

1 hour ago, Cdog923 said:

 

I mean, it certainly helped; he only got suspended for a year and half for gambling instead of getting thrown out of the league altogether. 

 

And now we live in an age where all major sports leagues operate as subsidiaries of BetMGM and FanDuel. 

[admo]

12 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

 

I mean, it certainly helped; he only got suspended for a year and half for gambling instead of getting thrown out of the league altogether. 

The oxidation that comes into contact could result in a reaction emitted by certain substances that produces a black colored film;  a product that is finalized as tarnished.  Tarnished.

 

But we should look away and pretend like nothing ever happendt.  So that nothing ever happendt. 

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

14 hours ago, admo said:

The oxidation that comes into contact could result in a reaction emitted by certain substances that produces a black colored film;  a product that is finalized as tarnished.  Tarnished.

 

But we should look away and pretend like nothing ever happendt.  So that nothing ever happendt. 

 

 

There were also the rumors that Michael Jordan's dad was killed as payback for Michael's gambling debts. I used to accept that as fact, although I've seen subsequent reporting that strongly discounts it. 

 

I don't know if you can tarnish Jordan's career, or if we're even looking the other way. The dude is a competition junkie, and there are tons of anecdotes from golf courses, casinos, and informal practices of Jordan making high stakes bets with anyone who will take them. It's not exactly an admirable quality, but it does explain his incredible in-game performances, and that's what he's remembered for. 

 

Not sure if people really looked the other way on Jordan's Hall of Fame induction speech, where he went off on some bitter and unnecessary flexes on anyone who ever doubted him. I recall the reaction as mostly:  Whoa. That's what's on your mind when you're receiving the game's highest honor? 

[Cdog923]

18 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

There were also the rumors that Michael Jordan's dad was killed as payback for Michael's gambling debts. I used to accept that as fact, although I've seen subsequent reporting that strongly discounts it. 

 

I don't know if you can tarnish Jordan's career, or if we're even looking the other way. The dude is a competition junkie, and there are tons of anecdotes from golf courses, casinos, and informal practices of Jordan making high stakes bets with anyone who will take them. It's not exactly an admirable quality, but it does explain his incredible in-game performances, and that's what he's remembered for. 

 

Not sure if people really looked the other way on Jordan's Hall of Fame induction speech, where he went off on some bitter and unnecessary flexes on anyone who ever doubted him. I recall the reaction as mostly:  Whoa. That's what's on your mind when you're receiving the game's highest honor? 

 

Oh yea, if anything about Jordan's post-career ventures has proven, it's that he's a legitimate a$$h@!e who can't let any slight go, no matter how imagined or insignificant. It's part of what makes him the GOAT. 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Not a huge LeBron fan, but even as an 18 year old who became rich and famous overnight, he seemed to have a lot healthier perspective on life and basketball. 

[Madcows]

1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Not a huge LeBron fan, but even as an 18 year old who became rich and famous overnight, he seemed to have a lot healthier perspective on life and basketball. 

 

Thrust into the limelight at 17, had arguably the most expectations placed on him (maybe Wemby can make that claim now) and has lived up to, and maybe even exceeded, the hype. Seems to be a loving father and a loving, faithful husband. Gives back to the communities in which he lives and always gives back to Akron/Cleveland, even when he's not there. Seems to be a great role model. His biggest misstep is 'The Decision' and not sure who the driving force was for that. LeBron seems to be a great guy. I really hope we never hear stories that destroy his image.

[Lorewarn]

2 hours ago, Madcows said:

had arguably the most expectations placed on him (maybe Wemby can make that claim now) 

 

 

I don't think Wemby's hype and expectations are even 1/10th of what Lebron had.

[Jason Sitoke]

7 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Not a huge LeBron fan, but even as an 18 year old who became rich and famous overnight, he seemed to have a lot healthier perspective on life and basketball. 

I think Lebron should  be appreciated for having some perspective.  But he comes off  just as egotistical as MJ.  Jordan was cutthroat as a competitor and had a gambling issue. And yes his HoF speech came off as petty. Otherwise I’d say Jordan was every bit as impressive considering the mania he dealt with in his early twenties. No legal issues or controversy really followed him. He was very careful not to tarnish the  Air Jordan brand he was building.  

[admo]

3 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

I don't think Wemby's hype and expectations are even 1/10th of what Lebron had.

By draft night, Wemby was hailed as the greatest NBA prospect ever since Lebron James. 

 

[Lorewarn]

8 hours ago, admo said:

By draft night, Wemby was hailed as the greatest NBA prospect ever since Lebron James. 

 

 

 

Which would mean Lebron was a greater one, no?

 

Regardless, potential as a prospect and hype aren't the exact same thing.