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I think Bill Moos will be worth one or two wins next year. MR may have been world class bad, but I can't imagine trying to coach a major college football team with the AD telling me to fire my assistant coaches, and which assistant coaches to hire, and having some admin telling me I can't recruit Jucos.

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Well, hang on to your butts, kids, because by all accounts, Scott Frost very closely resembled Mike Riley in his first year.  (Found ways to lose, rather than finding ways to win). I expect about the same this year for our guys, with some improvement coming maybe in year 2 or 3.  

 

One of UCF Fan's biggest complaints in year one, is one of our biggest complaints ... OLine getting pushed around.

 

Oh, and a side note, according to them, Milton was in no way shape or form a D1 QB and their criticisms were like ours of Martinez, TA, and TLee, times two, all wrapped into one.  So, patience will be a virtue, but i believe it will be rewarded.

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I am just going and wait to see what happens.  Flapping my jaw making statements about who or how we beat another team, means about as much as bird droppings.  Will Nebraska be better next year.  I truly think so.  But there are no guarantees in life.  Play the games.  See what happens.

 

And again, Coach Frost did a great job at UCF, no question.  But he did not start with a bunch of losers, he had talent on the team, they had won 12 games two years before and played in the Fiesta Bowl I think.  Had to be some talent left.  Most likely kids with a better attitude about winning.  They had been past over by most big programs.  Wanted to prove themselves with their new hotshot coach.  

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2 hours ago, skersfan said:

I am just going and wait to see what happens.  Flapping my jaw making statements about who or how we beat another team, means about as much as bird droppings.  Will Nebraska be better next year.  I truly think so.  But there are no guarantees in life.  Play the games.  See what happens.

 

And again, Coach Frost did a great job at UCF, no question.  But he did not start with a bunch of losers, he had talent on the team, they had won 12 games two years before and played in the Fiesta Bowl I think.  Had to be some talent left.  Most likely kids with a better attitude about winning.  They had been past over by most big programs.  Wanted to prove themselves with their new hotshot coach.  

Meh its a message board discussion to get us through a cold crappy winter with no football. If our predictions actually mattered we'd all predict undefeated national champions, and that would be that.

One bold prediction I will make with 100 percent certainty though  is that Scott Frost will not stand there clueless,  kicking imaginary rocks, as the Huskers get beat on their home field by a lousy team like Northern Illinois ! That was an absolute travesty that should never happen again, and i'm fully confident it wont. 

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11 hours ago, skersfan said:

But he did not start with a bunch of losers, he had talent on the team, they had won 12 games two years before and played in the Fiesta Bowl I think.

 

Every time I see this I wonder if anyone who played on that 2013 team also played on the 2017 team.  If anyone was left, wouldn't it just be guys who were redshirting in 2013?

 

On the other hand, a lot of the guys from the 0-12 2015 team were still around.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, The Dude said:

 

Every time I see this I wonder if anyone who played on that 2013 team also played on the 2017 team.  If anyone was left, wouldn't it just be guys who were redshirting in 2013?

 

On the other hand, a lot of the guys from the 0-12 2015 team were still around.

 

 

To add on to that, UCF had 17 kids on their 2 deep that were true sophomores or younger. I.E. Frost's recruits. That doesn't include JUCO guys like Mike Hughes. They only started 6 seniors.

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The point being he did not take over a historic losing program.  Do I think anyone else could have done the job he did.  Most likely there are a few, but not many.  I think there were kids there that wanted to win, and he lit a fire under the ones that were just coming along.  I am very happy we got Coach Frost, think he is one of the best college coaches around.  I just don't compare it to what Snyder did at Kansas State.  I think he has a lot of work to do to be on the same curve as the last two years.  He has shown he is capable, the question is, is there enough talent on the shelves to compete with the top of the Big every week.  

 

I already know the answers that are coming, I was here when we were going to run right thru the Big 10, show Wisconsin who the real Big Red was.  I would much rather see results, and personally wait for them to happen.  

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On 2/26/2018 at 5:23 PM, Dilly Dilly said:

Well, hang on to your butts, kids, because by all accounts, Scott Frost very closely resembled Mike Riley in his first year.  (Found ways to lose, rather than finding ways to win). I expect about the same this year for our guys, with some improvement coming maybe in year 2 or 3.  

 

One of UCF Fan's biggest complaints in year one, is one of our biggest complaints ... OLine getting pushed around.

 

Oh, and a side note, according to them, Milton was in no way shape or form a D1 QB and their criticisms were like ours of Martinez, TA, and TLee, times two, all wrapped into one.  So, patience will be a virtue, but i believe it will be rewarded.

 

The difference is (I hope anyway) that Nebraska has much better talent starting off than UCF.  And plus with Adrian Martinez coming in, we should be much farther advanced in year one than UCF was.  I'm saying this team has the potential to go 12-0.  Will they?  Realistically I don't think so but anything is possible.  But I do think 8-4 or 9-3 is an extremely achievable goal.  Been saying this for a LONG time: Nebraska has far better talent than they've shown.  It comes down to effort and want.  Can Coach Frost get that great effort out of them in year one?  We're going to find out.

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If there's one thing we've learned with the Omaha World Herald and other articles, it's that Frost and Moos genuinely think the rebuild will take time. They're not very subtly trying to tell the fans that it's going to take awhile. 

 

With that schedule next year, passion from the players and a bowl game would be a huge improvement. Continue momentum on the recruiting trail and I'll be happy. 

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On 2/26/2018 at 6:23 PM, Dilly Dilly said:

Well, hang on to your butts, kids, because by all accounts, Scott Frost very closely resembled Mike Riley in his first year.  (Found ways to lose, rather than finding ways to win). I expect about the same this year for our guys, with some improvement coming maybe in year 2 or 3.  

 

One of UCF Fan's biggest complaints in year one, is one of our biggest complaints ... OLine getting pushed around.

 

Oh, and a side note, according to them, Milton was in no way shape or form a D1 QB and their criticisms were like ours of Martinez, TA, and TLee, times two, all wrapped into one.  So, patience will be a virtue, but i believe it will be rewarded.

Yikes! I understand your point, but please never put Frost on the same level as MR. Frost inherited a 0-12 team, and was a first time HC. Winning 6 games was very good. MR would have found a way to have a record worse than 0-12. I believe it will take time to recover from the mess MR, SE and their accomplices left behind, maybe all we get is six wins this year, but it will be a momentum building year ... I finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.

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4 hours ago, MichiganDad3 said:

Yikes! I understand your point, but please never put Frost on the same level as MR. Frost inherited a 0-12 team, and was a first time HC. Winning 6 games was very good. MR would have found a way to have a record worse than 0-12. I believe it will take time to recover from the mess MR, SE and their accomplices left behind, maybe all we get is six wins this year, but it will be a momentum building year ... I finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

Trust me when i say i hated to make the comparison, but -- their gripes about SF were our exact same gripes about MR.  The thing i think going for SF now is that HE has learned from some bad decisions early on, whereas I think MR never did and likely never will.  (His first year at UCF, could have easily been a 9 win season - they got 6)

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15 hours ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

The difference is (I hope anyway) that Nebraska has much better talent starting off than UCF.  And plus with Adrian Martinez coming in, we should be much farther advanced in year one than UCF was.  I'm saying this team has the potential to go 12-0.  Will they?  Realistically I don't think so but anything is possible.  But I do think 8-4 or 9-3 is an extremely achievable goal.  Been saying this for a LONG time: Nebraska has far better talent than they've shown.  It comes down to effort and want.  Can Coach Frost get that great effort out of them in year one?  We're going to find out.

 

I fully understand the nature of off season message boards but man, we need to pump the brakes on Adrian Martinez, dude didn't even play his Sr year of high school.  Let's see how things at least shake out in spring ball.

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4 minutes ago, Xmas32 said:

 

I fully understand the nature of off season message boards but man, we need to pump the brakes on Adrian Martinez, dude didn't even play his Sr year of high school.  Let's see how things at least shake out in spring ball.

 

 

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15 hours ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

The difference is (I hope anyway) that Nebraska has much better talent starting off than UCF.  And plus with Adrian Martinez coming in, we should be much farther advanced in year one than UCF was.  I'm saying this team has the potential to go 12-0.  Will they?  Realistically I don't think so but anything is possible.  But I do think 8-4 or 9-3 is an extremely achievable goal.  Been saying this for a LONG time: Nebraska has far better talent than they've shown.  It comes down to effort and want.  Can Coach Frost get that great effort out of them in year one?  We're going to find out.

I've always believed that a positive mindset change could put Nebraska ahead of Wisconsin and Iowa in one year. Nebraska is much more talented than both teams. 

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21 minutes ago, Dilly Dilly said:

 

Trust me when i say i hated to make the comparison, but -- their gripes about SF were our exact same gripes about MR.  The thing i think going for SF now is that HE has learned from some bad decisions early on, whereas I think MR never did and likely never will.  (His first year at UCF, could have easily been a 9 win season - they got 6)

I don't see how people can complain about winning 6 games when you won none the year before, but UCF fans couldn't even sellout the stadium for an undefeated team.  MR may have run the team into the ground, but I will have much more patience now. If Frost had taken over for Bo I would have been very upset with 8 wins in year 1. Now I will be happy with 8 wins, and satisfied with 6 wins as long as the team is aggressive. I hate passive football. I never understood bend but don't break. Our team should be bending and breaking opponents on both sides of the ball. Just moving from near worst to near first in the turnover margin should get us to 8 wins next year.

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15 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

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5 minutes ago, MichiganDad3 said:

I don't see how people can complain about winning 6 games when you won none the year before, but UCF fans couldn't even sellout the stadium for an undefeated team.  MR may have run the team into the ground, but I will have much more patience now. If Frost had taken over for Bo I would have been very upset with 8 wins in year 1. Now I will be happy with 8 wins, and satisfied with 6 wins as long as the team is aggressive. I hate passive football. I never understood bend but don't break. Our team should be bending and breaking opponents on both sides of the ball. Just moving from near worst to near first in the turnover margin should get us to 8 wins next year.

 

If we had big leads in 3 games and lost those games, and wound up with 6 wins, we would lose our collective crap around here.  If they didnt blow leads, and lost those 3 because they just weren't quite there yet with development, that's one thing, but in one game they had like a 21 point lead, and lost.  It's going to be about context.

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8 minutes ago, Dilly Dilly said:

 

If we had big leads in 3 games and lost those games, and wound up with 6 wins, we would lose our collective crap around here.  If they didnt blow leads, and lost those 3 because they just weren't quite there yet with development, that's one thing, but in one game they had like a 21 point lead, and lost.  It's going to be about context.

 

 

In year 1, if we go 7-5 and blew 3 big leads which would've made us 10-2, I'll be extemely happy and excited for year 2.

 

Speaking of context, we're talking about a season after UCF won 0 games, and a season after Nebraska won 4 games.

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12 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

In year 1, if we go 7-5 and blew 3 big leads which would've made us 10-2, I'll be extemely happy.

 

Speaking of context, we're talking about a season after UCF won 0 games, and a season after Nebraska won 4 games.

We won four, and received some historic beat downs from slightly above average teams. I will not be too upset about blowing leads either. I never want to turn off a Husker game to mow the grass again in my life. It was nearly a weekly occurrence last season. We need to build depth, and that will take time. Frost had a lot of first and second year starters at UCF. I assume the same will happen here, but I m hopeful that we have good players, but MR and his accomplices chose not to let them play, or failed to develop them. Blown leads in 2018 become close wins in 2019, and blowout wins in 2020.

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3 hours ago, Dilly Dilly said:

 

Trust me when i say i hated to make the comparison, but -- their gripes about SF were our exact same gripes about MR.  The thing i think going for SF now is that HE has learned from some bad decisions early on, whereas I think MR never did and likely never will.  (His first year at UCF, could have easily been a 9 win season - they got 6)

The difference is Frost found ways to lose with a team that won 0 games the year before and Riley found ways to lose with a team that won 9 the year before.

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..I’m  not going to define or answer this question with a subjective W-L number as many aspects go into the final scoreboard..we in baby steps here..I think a huge tangible, and observable metric is seeing a properly aligned, assigned football team..that breaks down and tac properly, correct angles are once again taken..just seeing a fundamentally sound team take field is a huge step..and the scoreboard will eventually reflect how well the preceding things listed  took place ..

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On 2/27/2018 at 10:18 PM, skersfan said:

The point being he did not take over a historic losing program.  Do I think anyone else could have done the job he did.  Most likely there are a few, but not many.  I think there were kids there that wanted to win, and he lit a fire under the ones that were just coming along.  I am very happy we got Coach Frost, think he is one of the best college coaches around.  I just don't compare it to what Snyder did at Kansas State.  I think he has a lot of work to do to be on the same curve as the last two years.  He has shown he is capable, the question is, is there enough talent on the shelves to compete with the top of the Big every week.  

 

I already know the answers that are coming, I was here when we were going to run right thru the Big 10, show Wisconsin who the real Big Red was.  I would much rather see results, and personally wait for them to happen.  

Now that Moos and Frost are here Wiscy is gonna find out ( and Alvarez will be reminded) who the real big red is.  In three years Wisconsin coaches are going to be down at Lincoln in the offseason for coaching clinic.

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On 2/28/2018 at 8:55 AM, MichiganDad3 said:

Yikes! I understand your point, but please never put Frost on the same level as MR. Frost inherited a 0-12 team, and was a first time HC. Winning 6 games was very good. MR would have found a way to have a record worse than 0-12. I believe it will take time to recover from the mess MR, SE and their accomplices left behind, maybe all we get is six wins this year, but it will be a momentum building year ... I finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

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