Lorewarn

I didn't say that, I'm just answering the question of why Trev would theoretically be looking at him.

Also probably because he has Kansas at 3-0 (21-108 record since Mangino), went 109-6 with six nattys in eight years in DIII, and built Buffalo to. their first national ranking in program history.

Why is it fair to compare Campbell at ISU to Riley at Oregon State, but not fair to compare him to Saban at Michigan State or Miles at Oklahoma State, or other coaches who maximized what was possible at a resource-poor school and then went on to greater success in their new gig at a place with more?

Does Lance Leipold not count as a double L?

Seriously?

idk reading over half the names of coaches that over half the posters are suggesting might make me disagree with you here

Yeah and some have better chances than fans will ever be able to understand because the DNA that makes a successful coach is an unsolvable puzzle, and an AD making decisions based on, "we can't afford to risk ______" is absolutely doomed to fail. A good AD understands that any choice is a gamble and that there is a lot of luck that plays a roll and can't be predicted or controlled. People said we couldn't afford to risk losing out on Frost in 2018. Now in hindsight there's a pretty compelling argument that hiring him then is what caused this to become a nightmare.

Big Mick Energy

Yeah, I don't get how many people on the web (primarily twitter) are lambasting the media for this. You're a media member and you hear rumors of Scott banging co-eds at Gate 25. Better yet, let's say you know it's happening. What are you supposed to do with that info? Quote yourself? Quote people who won't go on the record? Commit career suicide? There's no tenable option there.

Are you kidding? The day we landed Frost was like being the biggest ugliest nerd in middle school and your best friend got super hot and went on to become Halle Berry. Then out of nowhere she comes back into your life and says she's always wanted to be with you. This isn't even close. Not even a tiny bit close.

We can afford to and every possible candidate outside of Saban is only a 'probably' at best. Including Urban.

I have no idea. But I'm also not thinking that we can go straight from the gutter to the moon. If he can put together top 20 classes to start with, which I think he absolutely could and would, then start winning a properly proportionate amount of games with better development, discipline and psyche, that establishes a new base camp/foundation, and from there? Yeah, he could probably build on it and start getting top 15 and top 10 classes.

I feel similarly. I'm curious of other comparisons we can find of coaches who maximized their potential at a school with less resources and then went on to have great success at a school with more? Saban was similar at Michigan State before LSU. Les Miles was also similar at Oklahoma State before LSU. Curious about some more recent examples if they're out there.

We have been doing live tackling in practice too - the issue is a matter of how much, not a matter of doing it vs not doing it

Since the previous August, not since July

Honestly, if the elements of hungover/video games/late to practice are true, it paints a fairly clear picture of depression. My theory is that the stress of the job and care for the state/program was too big for him, which led to depression/panic disorder which ultimately manifests in those types of behaviors to try and have any escape at all. Pretty sad if true.

There's definitely room for possibility that we're doing this worse than others, but a huge part of that is just the reality of football in the 2020s. Live tackling is rare, and it's not going any direction other than less and less.

It works fine in the B1G, you just run more risk of injury, which has always been true in every conference for the last 50 years.

Linear progressions like this are exceedingly rare. If the coach ends up being the long term solution we all hope and want it'll probably be something closer to Year 1: 6-7 Year 2: 7-10 Year 3: 7-10 Year 4: 6-8 Year 5: 10-12

Schroedinger's Coach

That certainly is an elite coach. Who fits that bill that would come here? Lincoln Riley is making 10mil in beautiful southern california - would we have to pay him 20 million to get him to move to Lincoln Nebraska? Kirby Smart makes 11 mil and has a well oiled machine. Dabo same, Saban same. Kelly and Fisher aren't in great spots but they also aren't in trouble yet and have MASSSSSSSIVE guarantees. Chris Petersen doesn't seem interested in coaching again, and even if he did seems even less interested in leaving the PNW.

Some fan incredibly trolled Bob Stoops and current Iowa mbb coach into essentially telling Brian Ferentz he should quit his job absolutely savage https://www.cameo.com/recipient/61e242245ab622b643ff91a2?from_share_sheet=1&utm_campaign=video_share_to_copy

Sorry, this makes no sense. You have it literally backwards. The standards lessened after things went to s#!t, not before. You've got the cause and effect completely wrong. Solich goes .500 then barely rebounds and recruiting is tanking. Then Pedersen says 'I won't let this program slip into mediocrity', his "stick to those standards" made us worse. Pelini is further from a conference championship in year seven than he was in year one. Then Eichorst says 'I had to look at where Iowa was as a program' and made us worse. Our standards were not "I hope we can get to .500" when Frost was hired. That came after things went to s#!t.

There's a big contextual difference between trying to come to terms with the coach you have who isn't going anywhere and theorizing/hoping for a potential coach when you don't have one. It's like dating. If you're with someone for years you know all their faults and excuse them, and might think it's the best person you can hope for, but if/when it ends and you're back on the market you're thinking about your dream girl that you're sure you have a chance with

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