Stewart Mandel

[Hercules]

dang.....what is in the blue koolaid?

 

 

This is the perfect storm and a fascinating year because we are now viewed as the team that symbolizes revolutionary change.

 

Any protected establishment fears revolutionaries. Fear them enough to kill. HIstory is certainly witness to this.

 

The fact that we are receiving exponentially more hatred & rhetorical rage than when we were the lovable underdog -- should not come as a big surprise.

 

Alabama, Ohio State and Nebraska are not only 3 of the best CFB teams -- they also have 3 of the largest fan bases -- and they all want the Crystal trophy.

 

The NC game is their Super Bowl and they do not want little Boise State anywhere near it. And yes, right now they hate us because we are agents of change. It is not personal -- it is the threat that we now represent. A threat to their sacred Crystal Football.

 

This threat is more real with the Va Tech and Oregon State victories paired with ESPN Game Day, The SI cover this week, etc. They were banking on a Boise State loss to Va Tech in DC. I don't think they really believed it would go this far. But here we are. Now Boise State is an imminent threat to shatter a comfortable world that has been around much longer than the BCS.

 

To the SEC we are Abraham Lincoln, Bobby Kennedy and MLK all rolled into one...so get used to the hatred. It is not going away if we keep winning impressively. We are the threat. All other threats have been or are being dealth with.

 

The establishment is buying off Utah and TCU. BYU is going it alone, trying to follow Notre Dame. Yet, because we are still a little too small -- so the BCS star chamber can't really buy us out right now -- so they must find a way to take us down a couple notches.

 

None of this is happening by mistake. These moves are being carefully ochestrated. For example, it is no mistake that TCU was approached by the Big East as opposed to the Big12. Why? Because the BCS kills 2 birds with one stone: 1. Get TCU out of the picture 2. Shore up a dreadful Big East.

 

The media is kind of our only friend right now. Yet, they too will turn on a dime if we stumble in the least. Good theatre for sure.

 

[husker_99]

dang.....what is in the blue koolaid?

 

 

This is the perfect storm and a fascinating year because we are now viewed as the team that symbolizes revolutionary change.

 

Any protected establishment fears revolutionaries. Fear them enough to kill. HIstory is certainly witness to this.

 

The fact that we are receiving exponentially more hatred & rhetorical rage than when we were the lovable underdog -- should not come as a big surprise.

 

Alabama, Ohio State and Nebraska are not only 3 of the best CFB teams -- they also have 3 of the largest fan bases -- and they all want the Crystal trophy.

 

The NC game is their Super Bowl and they do not want little Boise State anywhere near it. And yes, right now they hate us because we are agents of change. It is not personal -- it is the threat that we now represent. A threat to their sacred Crystal Football.

 

This threat is more real with the Va Tech and Oregon State victories paired with ESPN Game Day, The SI cover this week, etc. They were banking on a Boise State loss to Va Tech in DC. I don't think they really believed it would go this far. But here we are. Now Boise State is an imminent threat to shatter a comfortable world that has been around much longer than the BCS.

 

To the SEC we are Abraham Lincoln, Bobby Kennedy and MLK all rolled into one...so get used to the hatred. It is not going away if we keep winning impressively. We are the threat. All other threats have been or are being dealth with.

 

The establishment is buying off Utah and TCU. BYU is going it alone, trying to follow Notre Dame. Yet, because we are still a little too small -- so the BCS star chamber can't really buy us out right now -- so they must find a way to take us down a couple notches.

 

None of this is happening by mistake. These moves are being carefully ochestrated. For example, it is no mistake that TCU was approached by the Big East as opposed to the Big12. Why? Because the BCS kills 2 birds with one stone: 1. Get TCU out of the picture 2. Shore up a dreadful Big East.

 

The media is kind of our only friend right now. Yet, they too will turn on a dime if we stumble in the least. Good theatre for sure.

 

It's really not that outrageous. Think about it, if Boise St. gets a shot at the national championship game and wins it, it poses a lot questions on how the national champion game is decided. If Boise St. and Alabama play and Boise wins you are saying that the WAC is better than the SEC. If Boise St and Ohio St play and Boise wins you are saying that the WAC is better than the Big 10. Really it would be in the Big Six interest to have Boise play in the national championship game and hope they lose big so they won't have to hear about it anymore. Why do you think that last year both TCU and Boise St didn't get rewarded and instead got shafted? To keep a potential threat out.

[Hercules]

These writers seem to be forgetting the fact that it doesn't matter where a team is ranked right after you play them. It matters where they're ranked at the end of the year, when you can evaluate the entire body of work.

 

As far as AP voters watching more football than coaches, I'd say they might watch a little more. But they know far less about the game, and they don't see that much more football. Lots of the AP voters (like Steve Sipple) have a job to do on gameday, and they spend most of the day working on their own columns and studying their own team. Mandel, a national guy, probably watches more football than someone like Sipple, but he's not going to see every top 25 team play, and if he does, he hasn't watched any of them that closely.

[Hercules]

dang.....what is in the blue koolaid?

 

 

This is the perfect storm and a fascinating year because we are now viewed as the team that symbolizes revolutionary change.

 

Any protected establishment fears revolutionaries. Fear them enough to kill. HIstory is certainly witness to this.

 

The fact that we are receiving exponentially more hatred & rhetorical rage than when we were the lovable underdog -- should not come as a big surprise.

 

Alabama, Ohio State and Nebraska are not only 3 of the best CFB teams -- they also have 3 of the largest fan bases -- and they all want the Crystal trophy.

 

The NC game is their Super Bowl and they do not want little Boise State anywhere near it. And yes, right now they hate us because we are agents of change. It is not personal -- it is the threat that we now represent. A threat to their sacred Crystal Football.

 

This threat is more real with the Va Tech and Oregon State victories paired with ESPN Game Day, The SI cover this week, etc. They were banking on a Boise State loss to Va Tech in DC. I don't think they really believed it would go this far. But here we are. Now Boise State is an imminent threat to shatter a comfortable world that has been around much longer than the BCS.

 

To the SEC we are Abraham Lincoln, Bobby Kennedy and MLK all rolled into one...so get used to the hatred. It is not going away if we keep winning impressively. We are the threat. All other threats have been or are being dealth with.

 

The establishment is buying off Utah and TCU. BYU is going it alone, trying to follow Notre Dame. Yet, because we are still a little too small -- so the BCS star chamber can't really buy us out right now -- so they must find a way to take us down a couple notches.

 

None of this is happening by mistake. These moves are being carefully ochestrated. For example, it is no mistake that TCU was approached by the Big East as opposed to the Big12. Why? Because the BCS kills 2 birds with one stone: 1. Get TCU out of the picture 2. Shore up a dreadful Big East.

 

The media is kind of our only friend right now. Yet, they too will turn on a dime if we stumble in the least. Good theatre for sure.

 

It's really not that outrageous. Think about it, if Boise St. gets a shot at the national championship game and wins it, it poses a lot questions on how the national champion game is decided. If Boise St. and Alabama play and Boise wins you are saying that the WAC is better than the SEC. If Boise St and Ohio St play and Boise wins you are saying that the WAC is better than the Big 10. Really it would be in the Big Six interest to have Boise play in the national championship game and hope they lose big so they won't have to hear about it anymore. Why do you think that last year both TCU and Boise St didn't get rewarded and instead got shafted? To keep a potential threat out.

 

It's not that outrageous? The writer compared Boise State to Abe Lincoln, Bobby Kennedy, and MLK. He then suggested Utah and BYU left the Mountain West in order to stick it to Boise State. He THEN suggested that TCU's possible move to the Big East or Big 12 would also be driven by a motivation to keep Boise State out of the BCS. And all the while, he's suggesting that Alabama, Ohio State, and Nebraska are orchestrating each one of these moves because they're afraid of Boise State. Once again, I'm going to have to go with a

[papersun87]

It's not that outrageous? The writer compared Boise State to Abe Lincoln, Bobby Kennedy, and MLK. He then suggested Utah and BYU left the Mountain West in order to stick it to Boise State. He THEN suggested that TCU's possible move to the Big East or Big 12 would also be driven by a motivation to keep Boise State out of the BCS. And all the while, he's suggesting that Alabama, Ohio State, and Nebraska are orchestrating each one of these moves because they're afraid of Boise State. Once again, I'm going to have to go with a

I see your . Allow me to contribute.

 

:facepalm:

[JTrain]

The money was never the issue. You're fooling yourself if you think Nebraska cares about the difference between 800K and 1M. They make over $5M per home game. Heck, ESPN supposedly even offered to pay the difference in return for being able to carry the game in the time slot of their choosing. The real issue was Nebraska not wanting to add a game of this caliber with decent OOC games against Washington and Fresno already set, especially with the Nebraska QB situation being a big mystery (at the time of the initial talks, Lee was the expected starter for '10, leaving the '11 picture a crapshoot) and Boise returning one of the nation's top players for his senior season (Moore).

 

Not wanting to look bad, Nebraska made a PR stunt by offering Boise a 2 and 1 series (with no money exchanged) they knew Boise would turn down (the deal would be worth about $10M for Nebraska vs. $2M for Boise). Then someone in the media (Shatel) falls for the ploy and hundreds of thousands of OWH readers follow suit.

This is such a load of crap it's hard to believe anyone buys it.

 

So you think the $200K was just too much for Nebraska to bear? Psh. Now that's hard to buy. Everything in my post is pretty well documented if you're willing to look at sources outside the OWH. If not, you're free to keep naively believing that Boise is somehow terrified to play us, or greedy for wanting one-fifth of Nebraska's revenue for a game.

[junior4949]

I'm not really losing any sleep over it. If Bama and Ohio State go undefeated, it really matters little whether our SOS was better than Boise States or not because we could very well end up playing them for third and fourth. I'm still trying to figure out whether it was the dumbest thing or the smartest thing last year for the BCS to put TCU and Boise against one another in a BCS game. On one hand, it could have been because they were scared that a major conference team would be made a fool much like OU and Bama were at the hands of non automatic qualifying team. On the other hand, it could have been because they just wanted to see one of these teams lose because neither of them do if very often. One or both should join the Big East where they could dominate year in and year out plus be in an automatic qualifying conference.

[HuskerJosh]

It's not that outrageous? The writer compared Boise State to Abe Lincoln, Bobby Kennedy, and MLK. He then suggested Utah and BYU left the Mountain West in order to stick it to Boise State. He THEN suggested that TCU's possible move to the Big East or Big 12 would also be driven by a motivation to keep Boise State out of the BCS. And all the while, he's suggesting that Alabama, Ohio State, and Nebraska are orchestrating each one of these moves because they're afraid of Boise State. Once again, I'm going to have to go with a

I see your . Allow me to contribute.

 

:facepalm:

Let me help

[commando]

The money was never the issue. You're fooling yourself if you think Nebraska cares about the difference between 800K and 1M. They make over $5M per home game. Heck, ESPN supposedly even offered to pay the difference in return for being able to carry the game in the time slot of their choosing. The real issue was Nebraska not wanting to add a game of this caliber with decent OOC games against Washington and Fresno already set, especially with the Nebraska QB situation being a big mystery (at the time of the initial talks, Lee was the expected starter for '10, leaving the '11 picture a crapshoot) and Boise returning one of the nation's top players for his senior season (Moore).

 

Not wanting to look bad, Nebraska made a PR stunt by offering Boise a 2 and 1 series (with no money exchanged) they knew Boise would turn down (the deal would be worth about $10M for Nebraska vs. $2M for Boise). Then someone in the media (Shatel) falls for the ploy and hundreds of thousands of OWH readers follow suit.

This is such a load of crap it's hard to believe anyone buys it.

 

So you think the $200K was just too much for Nebraska to bear? Psh. Now that's hard to buy. Everything in my post is pretty well documented if you're willing to look at sources outside the OWH. If not, you're free to keep naively believing that Boise is somehow terrified to play us, or greedy for wanting one-fifth of Nebraska's revenue for a game.

 

you're telling us ESPN said they were going to pay the $200k difference and boise didnt accept the offer instantly? not that's hard to buy.

[JTrain]

The money was never the issue. You're fooling yourself if you think Nebraska cares about the difference between 800K and 1M. They make over $5M per home game. Heck, ESPN supposedly even offered to pay the difference in return for being able to carry the game in the time slot of their choosing. The real issue was Nebraska not wanting to add a game of this caliber with decent OOC games against Washington and Fresno already set, especially with the Nebraska QB situation being a big mystery (at the time of the initial talks, Lee was the expected starter for '10, leaving the '11 picture a crapshoot) and Boise returning one of the nation's top players for his senior season (Moore).

 

Not wanting to look bad, Nebraska made a PR stunt by offering Boise a 2 and 1 series (with no money exchanged) they knew Boise would turn down (the deal would be worth about $10M for Nebraska vs. $2M for Boise). Then someone in the media (Shatel) falls for the ploy and hundreds of thousands of OWH readers follow suit.

This is such a load of crap it's hard to believe anyone buys it.

 

So you think the $200K was just too much for Nebraska to bear? Psh. Now that's hard to buy. Everything in my post is pretty well documented if you're willing to look at sources outside the OWH. If not, you're free to keep naively believing that Boise is somehow terrified to play us, or greedy for wanting one-fifth of Nebraska's revenue for a game.

 

you're telling us ESPN said they were going to pay the $200k difference and boise didnt accept the offer instantly? not that's hard to buy.

 

No the ESPN offer was said to be directed at Nebraska. Nebraska is the one that turned down the offer.

[HuskerJosh]

The money was never the issue. You're fooling yourself if you think Nebraska cares about the difference between 800K and 1M. They make over $5M per home game. Heck, ESPN supposedly even offered to pay the difference in return for being able to carry the game in the time slot of their choosing. The real issue was Nebraska not wanting to add a game of this caliber with decent OOC games against Washington and Fresno already set, especially with the Nebraska QB situation being a big mystery (at the time of the initial talks, Lee was the expected starter for '10, leaving the '11 picture a crapshoot) and Boise returning one of the nation's top players for his senior season (Moore).

 

Not wanting to look bad, Nebraska made a PR stunt by offering Boise a 2 and 1 series (with no money exchanged) they knew Boise would turn down (the deal would be worth about $10M for Nebraska vs. $2M for Boise). Then someone in the media (Shatel) falls for the ploy and hundreds of thousands of OWH readers follow suit.

This is such a load of crap it's hard to believe anyone buys it.

 

So you think the $200K was just too much for Nebraska to bear? Psh. Now that's hard to buy. Everything in my post is pretty well documented if you're willing to look at sources outside the OWH. If not, you're free to keep naively believing that Boise is somehow terrified to play us, or greedy for wanting one-fifth of Nebraska's revenue for a game.

 

you're telling us ESPN said they were going to pay the $200k difference and boise didnt accept the offer instantly? not that's hard to buy.

 

No the ESPN offer was said to be directed at Nebraska. Nebraska is the one that turned down the offer.

Prove it.

[In the Deed the Glory]

It's not that outrageous? The writer compared Boise State to Abe Lincoln, Bobby Kennedy, and MLK. He then suggested Utah and BYU left the Mountain West in order to stick it to Boise State. He THEN suggested that TCU's possible move to the Big East or Big 12 would also be driven by a motivation to keep Boise State out of the BCS. And all the while, he's suggesting that Alabama, Ohio State, and Nebraska are orchestrating each one of these moves because they're afraid of Boise State. Once again, I'm going to have to go with a

I see your . Allow me to contribute.

 

:facepalm:

:facepalm:

[holvy83]

The money was never the issue. You're fooling yourself if you think Nebraska cares about the difference between 800K and 1M. They make over $5M per home game. Heck, ESPN supposedly even offered to pay the difference in return for being able to carry the game in the time slot of their choosing. The real issue was Nebraska not wanting to add a game of this caliber with decent OOC games against Washington and Fresno already set, especially with the Nebraska QB situation being a big mystery (at the time of the initial talks, Lee was the expected starter for '10, leaving the '11 picture a crapshoot) and Boise returning one of the nation's top players for his senior season (Moore).

 

Not wanting to look bad, Nebraska made a PR stunt by offering Boise a 2 and 1 series (with no money exchanged) they knew Boise would turn down (the deal would be worth about $10M for Nebraska vs. $2M for Boise). Then someone in the media (Shatel) falls for the ploy and hundreds of thousands of OWH readers follow suit.

This is such a load of crap it's hard to believe anyone buys it.

 

So you think the $200K was just too much for Nebraska to bear? Psh. Now that's hard to buy. Everything in my post is pretty well documented if you're willing to look at sources outside the OWH. If not, you're free to keep naively believing that Boise is somehow terrified to play us, or greedy for wanting one-fifth of Nebraska's revenue for a game.

 

you're telling us ESPN said they were going to pay the $200k difference and boise didnt accept the offer instantly? not that's hard to buy.

 

No the ESPN offer was said to be directed at Nebraska. Nebraska is the one that turned down the offer.

Prove it.

 

Does it matter who turned it down? Obviously the match-up was not meant to be, who knows Dr. Tom could have been looking ahead to the possible move to the Big 10 when looking at non conf scheduling. Back to Mandel's article, I think he used NU as an example not really picking on NU, but right now most sports writers are trying to find a cause for the argument with Boise.

[commando]

It's not that outrageous? The writer compared Boise State to Abe Lincoln, Bobby Kennedy, and MLK. He then suggested Utah and BYU left the Mountain West in order to stick it to Boise State. He THEN suggested that TCU's possible move to the Big East or Big 12 would also be driven by a motivation to keep Boise State out of the BCS. And all the while, he's suggesting that Alabama, Ohio State, and Nebraska are orchestrating each one of these moves because they're afraid of Boise State. Once again, I'm going to have to go with a

I see your . Allow me to contribute.

 

:facepalm:

:facepalm:

[mnhusker]

Once again Mandel has his head up his . . . er, pants. Let’s take Stewie's own numbers from the article and rearrange them in order of strongest to weakest opponent. Riddle me this you Boise apologists out there, is BSU's toughest game (Nevada) harder than ours (Texas)? From top to bottom BSU’s schedule is easier than NUs. No two ways about it.

 

NU...............BSU

Texas (15)......Nevada (24)

Missouri (21)...Va. Tech (35)

Okie St.(25)....Oregon St. (36)

Kansas St.(26)..Toledo (48)

Texas A&M (34)..Fresno St. (49)

Colorado (50)...Hawaii (73)

Iowa St. (55)...Idaho (86)

Kansas (72).....San Jose St. (89)

Washington(75)..Wyoming (85)

Idaho (86)......La. Tech (98)

W. Ky (116).....Utah St. (105)

SoDak St(N/A)...New Mexico St. (117)

 

Well Said and well put