Boy Scout New Policy

[StPaulHusker]

Being a tax exempt organization makes it less of a private club.

most of the time it means it is a non-profit organization

[Someone]

One post just put pediophilia images as nothing more than an extreme case of pornography adiction, even though the 2 are not really closely linked.

 

Another post seems to think Augusta has no women members still.

 

The fact is: many scout groups hold meeting in public schools and even promote their organization at back to school nights next to the local little league and youth soccer organizations, plus in many communities scouts are one of the largest benefactors from the United Way. Most would agree that the local KKK Jr or Hitler Youth aren't organizations aren't who we need at back to school night nor are they who we want getting vast sums of money from the United Way.

[JJ Husker]

You guys are going bats$!t crazy about this. All this talk about porn and the KKK.

 

The fact of the matter is that the Boy Scouts are allowed to make any "moral standard" they choose at any time as long as they are not receiving money from the government. It's just like a church or a private institution. People who have children in the Scouts (I being one of them) pay dues to allow our child into the club. We as parents, and at some point down the road, the children understand the rules and regulations that are applied before we write the check. If I had a major problem with their not allowing of gays, I wouldn't let my child be involved. But as the case with me, I don't have a problem with them not allowing gays at all or just as Scout Masters. I think they are being uptight, but it is not enough for me to take my kid out of a program he clearly enjoys. Somewhere down the line, he will understand the rules more clearly and he can decide for himself what he wants to do.

 

If people don't like the way an organization is run, don't support it and start a new one. It happens all the time. This is no different than when Augusta National didn't allow blacks and women. Now they allow blacks thanks to Woods. They still do not allow women and that is their RIGHT. This is a dues paying PRIVATE club and they can allow anyone they want.

 

In the end it is not the Boy Scouts job to appease the entire masses. It is their job to put a program together based on a foundation of high moral character. And if homosexuality doesn't fit, then boycott it and have your children involved in something else.

 

People need to stop trying to change everything to THEIR liking and be innovative and start something of their own

 

I would agree with this. Well said. Not everything has to be to everyones liking. We have the freedom to choose to participate in some things and not in others. If a person feels strongly enough about this don't support them. If you feel it should nullify their tax exempt status then talk to your representatives. As an analogy, if I do not believe the same things a specific church believes, 1- why would I want to join that church? 2- should that church have to change to accommodate my beliefs? This is really the same issue. The Boy Scouts organization is not hiding their standards, in fact they are well publicized. If you don't like them, don't participate. If enough people disagree with their standards they will either change them or cease to exist. That is quite different than telling them what they have to do. Let them thrive or fail on their own and quit telling people what they have to find acceptable.

[JJ Husker]

One post just put pediophilia images as nothing more than an extreme case of pornography adiction, even though the 2 are not really closely linked.

 

Another post seems to think Augusta has no women members still.

 

The fact is: many scout groups hold meeting in public schools and even promote their organization at back to school nights next to the local little league and youth soccer organizations, plus in many communities scouts are one of the largest benefactors from the United Way. Most would agree that the local KKK Jr or Hitler Youth aren't organizations aren't who we need at back to school night nor are they who we want getting vast sums of money from the United Way.

 

What is it that you want? You want the Scouts banned from public schools? from back to school nights? You want their United Way funding stopped? Do you want to force them to accept gay leaders? What is it exactly that you want? You apparently want them to be an organization that fully aligns with your beliefs. Is that the way every organization has to be- the way "Someone" wants it to be? IMO it is quite a leap to compare the Boy Scouts to Hitler Youth or KKK organizations but if that's the approach you want to take......

[NUance]

You guys are going bats$!t crazy about this. All this talk about porn and the KKK.

 

The fact of the matter is that the Boy Scouts are allowed to make any "moral standard" they choose at any time as long as they are not receiving money from the government. It's just like a church or a private institution. People who have children in the Scouts (I being one of them) pay dues to allow our child into the club. We as parents, and at some point down the road, the children understand the rules and regulations that are applied before we write the check. If I had a major problem with their not allowing of gays, I wouldn't let my child be involved. But as the case with me, I don't have a problem with them not allowing gays at all or just as Scout Masters. I think they are being uptight, but it is not enough for me to take my kid out of a program he clearly enjoys. Somewhere down the line, he will understand the rules more clearly and he can decide for himself what he wants to do.

 

If people don't like the way an organization is run, don't support it and start a new one. It happens all the time. This is no different than when Augusta National didn't allow blacks and women. Now they allow blacks thanks to Woods. They still do not allow women and that is their RIGHT. This is a dues paying PRIVATE club and they can allow anyone they want.

 

In the end it is not the Boy Scouts job to appease the entire masses. It is their job to put a program together based on a foundation of high moral character. And if homosexuality doesn't fit, then boycott it and have your children involved in something else.

 

People need to stop trying to change everything to THEIR liking and be innovative and start something of their own

+1. I agree with what you're saying. It's too bad that some folks think they need to change an entire organization to fit their own agenda. Why don't they form their own organization, or join one that actually wants them?

 

I should point out (as someone alluded to above) that Augusta now has women, as of this past year. Condoleezza Rice and Darla Moore.

[BigRedBuster]

I think I'll join Curves for Women health club tomorrow.

[JJ Husker]

I think I'll join Curves for Women health club tomorrow.

 

You've got your sights set too low. I will be competing in the next go round of Miss Black Teen USA. Now who do I call about them accepting 50 year old white male entrants?

[BigRedBuster]

I think I'll join Curves for Women health club tomorrow.

 

You've got your sights set too low. I will be competing in the next go round of Miss Black Teen USA. Now who do I call about them accepting 50 year old white male entrants?

 

Well, you see...I'm joining that so that I can get in shape, get elected and join the congressional black caucus.

[Someone]

One post just put pediophilia images as nothing more than an extreme case of pornography adiction, even though the 2 are not really closely linked.

 

Another post seems to think Augusta has no women members still.

 

The fact is: many scout groups hold meeting in public schools and even promote their organization at back to school nights next to the local little league and youth soccer organizations, plus in many communities scouts are one of the largest benefactors from the United Way. Most would agree that the local KKK Jr or Hitler Youth aren't organizations aren't who we need at back to school night nor are they who we want getting vast sums of money from the United Way.

 

What is it that you want? You want the Scouts banned from public schools? from back to school nights? You want their United Way funding stopped? Do you want to force them to accept gay leaders? What is it exactly that you want? You apparently want them to be an organization that fully aligns with your beliefs. Is that the way every organization has to be- the way "Someone" wants it to be? IMO it is quite a leap to compare the Boy Scouts to Hitler Youth or KKK organizations but if that's the approach you want to take......

This from the guy who posted without any basis: "You see no difference between the person who viewed 3 porn images ten years ago and the person who currently spends 4 hours each evening searching out images of under age boys?"

 

It should be noted that the Boy Scouts of America are not like Augusta National. The BSA organization is tax-exempt under section 501©(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. It is eligible to receive contributions deductible as charitable donations for federal income tax purposes.

 

I don't know of any other pro-discrimination groups with that benefit.

[StPaulHusker]

One post just put pediophilia images as nothing more than an extreme case of pornography adiction, even though the 2 are not really closely linked.

 

Another post seems to think Augusta has no women members still.

 

The fact is: many scout groups hold meeting in public schools and even promote their organization at back to school nights next to the local little league and youth soccer organizations, plus in many communities scouts are one of the largest benefactors from the United Way. Most would agree that the local KKK Jr or Hitler Youth aren't organizations aren't who we need at back to school night nor are they who we want getting vast sums of money from the United Way.

 

What is it that you want? You want the Scouts banned from public schools? from back to school nights? You want their United Way funding stopped? Do you want to force them to accept gay leaders? What is it exactly that you want? You apparently want them to be an organization that fully aligns with your beliefs. Is that the way every organization has to be- the way "Someone" wants it to be? IMO it is quite a leap to compare the Boy Scouts to Hitler Youth or KKK organizations but if that's the approach you want to take......

This from the guy who posted without any basis: "You see no difference between the person who viewed 3 porn images ten years ago and the person who currently spends 4 hours each evening searching out images of under age boys?"

 

It should be noted that the Boy Scouts of America are not like Augusta National. The BSA organization is tax-exempt under section 501©(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. It is eligible to receive contributions deductible as charitable donations for federal income tax purposes.

 

I don't know of any other pro-discrimination groups with that benefit.

Religious organizations say hello

[knapplc]

The Boy Scouts of America is chartered as a 501(c)(3) organization, and as such, does not fall under the umbrella of Title VII (the Federal discrimination laws).

[JJ Husker]

As has already been pointed out 501c3's do not have to accommodate everyone. We formed one for a youth hockey organization for tax exempt status. We discriminated against kids who weren't exceptional hockey players. We also had a few issues come up about the type of coaches we would allow and some of that delved into moral issues. In fact we terminated the services of a coach for what I would call honesty and trustworthiness issues.

[tschu]

What do the Boy Scouts of America and the Westboro Baptist Church have in common? both 501c3 tax-exempt organizations

 

Our government sucks

[zoogs]

We discriminated against kids who weren't exceptional hockey players.

 

This is different than what has been discussed, no? Employers everywhere "discriminate" against people who aren't good employees.

[JJ Husker]

Someone- my basis was that you used viewing porn as a comparative alternative to being gay, engaging in an extramarital affair or any of the other 9 items on your list. And then you had the audacity to try to claim that people who engage in these behaviors, with no specificity to the degree, were just as worthy as gay people to be scout leaders. The more I think about it, the less clear your intended point becomes. I thought originally you were attempting to claim being gay should not disqualify a person but then you lumped them in with people who may get drunk everyday, view porn everyday, and have multiple affairs while married. Hint- It might be a sign your argument is flawed when you have to avoid direct questions to prevent looking like a doofus. And it's usually best to simply state your position instead of creating undefendable strawmen.