Manziel at Nebraska

[StPaulHusker]

Money is very relevant

He DIDNT need the money, so why put your teammates season at risk over money you DIDNT need? Goes to character

His family are trust funders- kid has unlimited $$$. He's always been enabled, got whatever he needed whenever he wanted it, never said no to- not used to ANY boundaries

Heck he is on his second Mercedes now

Wasnt like he was starving and trying to scrape together $400 for a plane ticket home to visit mom

He got into trouble was a Redshirt Frosh- he was at Northgate right across from school when the fight happened. He had time to take his shirt off to fight and everything. That didnt happen in High School- he DID BTW get in trouble for alcohol related offense in HS as well

It's a pattern of reckless, self centered and selfish behavior

IS winning $$$ in a casino at age 20 bad? Probably not. BUT it's illegal and then to take pics and POST IT ON TWITTER AND FACEBOOK? It goes to his pattern of stupidity.

Dumber than a bag of rocks- IMO feels entitiled, untouchable, selfish- that's why I feel 100% sure he didnt sit in his room for 2 hours signing 100s of items for free from an autograph broker

If anyone believes he did that for free, Im sure Aliens, Ghosts, the Lock Ness Monster and Big Foot were all in the room too along with Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa

 

You can gamble as a 18 year old, I've done it. It's not illegal. It is, however, illegal in certain places due to the alcohol being served like candy in a welcome bin.

 

It was documented that the place he was at, he was drinking and the age for the casino, like most was 21

Do I care? Nope

But to post pics of it with money fanned on facebook and twitter- goes to his stupidity, need for attention etc

It's why Im positive he took money for autographs and hired "uncle nate" an equally dumbell, to set up several

Are you referring to the casino in this article?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/06/johnny-manziel-casino-cash/1811863/

 

[jmfb]

My mistake- I took out the 21

Still unwise, immature, attention whorish to post it

Kid is a 100% not self aware

[The Dude]

I'm sensing a Mard David Chapman-esque obsession here. The "jm" in "jmfb" doesn't stand for Johnny Manziel, does it?

[jmfb]

Jupiter Mustangs Football- Florida

Teams Ive helped coach

[The King]

My mistake- I took out the 21

Still unwise, immature, attention whorish to post it

Kid is a 100% not self aware

 

None of which is illegal or against NCAA rules. That doesn't warrant a suspension or expulsion from the team. That is why I said try to keep it to what is relevant. Once again, you never answered my question about Taylor being rich, spoiled, and how that makes him a bad person and not worthy of playing.

 

There a lot of attention whores in college football. You know that whole thing called signing day???????????? With the hats and the pageantry??????????????

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Money is very relevant

He DIDNT need the money, so why put your teammates season at risk over money you DIDNT need? Goes to character

His family are trust funders- kid has unlimited $$$. He's always been enabled, got whatever he needed whenever he wanted it, never said no to- not used to ANY boundaries

Heck he is on his second Mercedes now

Wasnt like he was starving and trying to scrape together $400 for a plane ticket home to visit mom

He got into trouble was a Redshirt Frosh- he was at Northgate right across from school when the fight happened. He had time to take his shirt off to fight and everything. That didnt happen in High School- he DID BTW get in trouble for alcohol related offense in HS as well

It's a pattern of reckless, self centered and selfish behavior

IS winning $$$ in a casino at age 20 bad? Probably not. BUT it's illegal and then to take pics and POST IT ON TWITTER AND FACEBOOK? It goes to his pattern of stupidity.

Dumber than a bag of rocks- IMO feels entitiled, untouchable, selfish- that's why I feel 100% sure he didnt sit in his room for 2 hours signing 100s of items for free from an autograph broker

If anyone believes he did that for free, Im sure Aliens, Ghosts, the Lock Ness Monster and Big Foot were all in the room too along with Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa

 

You can gamble as a 18 year old, I've done it. It's not illegal. It is, however, illegal in certain places due to the alcohol being served like candy in a welcome bin. I don't doubt that he signed the autographs, but you still need proof + evidence to confirm that he was indeed paid for his services. If there is no paper trail, there is no way for the NCAA to "convict" him of wrong doing. Do I think he was paid and did it? Yeah, but I don't have proof. Burden of evidence is on us, not Manziel. Some people forget that is how the court system works.

 

Count me in the crowd who doesn't care about MINOR alcohol related offenses prior to 21. Minor in consumption/possession? BFD. Don't care.

 

His lifestyle is not relevant. Don't turn him into a bad guy because he has money - turn him into a bad guy because thats what he is.

 

All I'm saying is - "Uber rich spoiled brat, drives Mercedes, mom&dad move to College Station and buy big house for him and them, Spoiled, enabled, narcisisst

He makes slashing gestures after scoring TDs- no respect to his opps- trash talker", "Takes PICS of himself with 1000s of $$ at casino and POSTS THEM on facebook and twitter" Those comments have nothing to do with what makes Johnny a liability as a football player to their program, his personal choices, not his money, are what makes him a liability - that could go off the wagon at any time. Stick to the things that he does that are illegal or unethical.

 

For instance, I believe Taylor Martinez is a fairly well off guy, who drives a nice car, whose parents relocated numerous times to accommodate his needs. Is he not spoiled, enabled and a narcissist? Did Taylor not finger wag all of Kansas States audience as a freshman?

 

What sets Johnny apart is his knucklehead behavior off the field, so stick to that. Thats all.

 

But money could definitely be a contributing factor, look in the post earlier.

[The King]

I also want to add in I'm not necessarily defending Johnny, because the guy is a self-centered, arrogant and egotistical douche. I just think that none of that really has to do with him being suspended. There are a lot of idiots on the field every day - who do worse things than Johnny. Taking 7,500 is the issue - not him driving a mercedes or having a rich family, or being a douche bag and partying all the time.

[The King]

Money is very relevant

He DIDNT need the money, so why put your teammates season at risk over money you DIDNT need? Goes to character

His family are trust funders- kid has unlimited $$$. He's always been enabled, got whatever he needed whenever he wanted it, never said no to- not used to ANY boundaries

Heck he is on his second Mercedes now

Wasnt like he was starving and trying to scrape together $400 for a plane ticket home to visit mom

He got into trouble was a Redshirt Frosh- he was at Northgate right across from school when the fight happened. He had time to take his shirt off to fight and everything. That didnt happen in High School- he DID BTW get in trouble for alcohol related offense in HS as well

It's a pattern of reckless, self centered and selfish behavior

IS winning $$$ in a casino at age 20 bad? Probably not. BUT it's illegal and then to take pics and POST IT ON TWITTER AND FACEBOOK? It goes to his pattern of stupidity.

Dumber than a bag of rocks- IMO feels entitiled, untouchable, selfish- that's why I feel 100% sure he didnt sit in his room for 2 hours signing 100s of items for free from an autograph broker

If anyone believes he did that for free, Im sure Aliens, Ghosts, the Lock Ness Monster and Big Foot were all in the room too along with Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa

 

You can gamble as a 18 year old, I've done it. It's not illegal. It is, however, illegal in certain places due to the alcohol being served like candy in a welcome bin. I don't doubt that he signed the autographs, but you still need proof + evidence to confirm that he was indeed paid for his services. If there is no paper trail, there is no way for the NCAA to "convict" him of wrong doing. Do I think he was paid and did it? Yeah, but I don't have proof. Burden of evidence is on us, not Manziel. Some people forget that is how the court system works.

 

Count me in the crowd who doesn't care about MINOR alcohol related offenses prior to 21. Minor in consumption/possession? BFD. Don't care.

 

His lifestyle is not relevant. Don't turn him into a bad guy because he has money - turn him into a bad guy because thats what he is.

 

All I'm saying is - "Uber rich spoiled brat, drives Mercedes, mom&dad move to College Station and buy big house for him and them, Spoiled, enabled, narcisisst

He makes slashing gestures after scoring TDs- no respect to his opps- trash talker", "Takes PICS of himself with 1000s of $$ at casino and POSTS THEM on facebook and twitter" Those comments have nothing to do with what makes Johnny a liability as a football player to their program, his personal choices, not his money, are what makes him a liability - that could go off the wagon at any time. Stick to the things that he does that are illegal or unethical.

 

For instance, I believe Taylor Martinez is a fairly well off guy, who drives a nice car, whose parents relocated numerous times to accommodate his needs. Is he not spoiled, enabled and a narcissist? Did Taylor not finger wag all of Kansas States audience as a freshman?

 

What sets Johnny apart is his knucklehead behavior off the field, so stick to that. Thats all.

 

But money could definitely be a contributing factor, look in the post earlier.

 

Thats fine. So every rich kid shouldn't be allowed to play college football? And, being a douchebag doesn't warrant being suspended from college football, does it? I don't see laws broken for being an ignorant tool. Nope.

 

I just don't see the relevance of "this guy is super rich and spoiled and he took 7,500. he should be kicked off the team". No, the issue is he could be richer than an Saudi oil king or poorer than (in wealth) than the poorest man alive, taking 7,500 is bad either way you slice it as presently stated in the NCAA guidelines.

[jmfb]

It goes to if he took the $7500 or not- that is the question, did he sign all that stuff 100s of itmes for 2+ hours for free or did he get paid to do so?

All the rest of who he is and all his past behavior points directly at - his selfish, narcisstic, enabled, poor decision making- which is consistent with him taking the $7500

Along with the pic of him signing and the 100+ items that broker had listed for sale that Manziel signed

 

And he did that to his teammates and school- even though he didnt really even need the $$$

What a guy

 

I didnt see Taylor M doing anything remotely like that or 95% of the things Manziel did in the years leading up to this

 

There is audio and testimony, but no video of JM taking money from a ticket broker and putting it into his pocket

Just like there is no video of OJ killing his ex wife

 

SO you have to look at the rest of the evidence

 

Probably all for naught, the NCAA is too busy investigating if some player got $35 back for selling their textbooks or if a coach made 21 phone calls instead of 20. They dont seem to care a whole lot about the really big stuff. Because if this is OK to do- youve opened up a whole new can of worms on buying recruits.

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Money is very relevant

He DIDNT need the money, so why put your teammates season at risk over money you DIDNT need? Goes to character

His family are trust funders- kid has unlimited $$$. He's always been enabled, got whatever he needed whenever he wanted it, never said no to- not used to ANY boundaries

Heck he is on his second Mercedes now

Wasnt like he was starving and trying to scrape together $400 for a plane ticket home to visit mom

He got into trouble was a Redshirt Frosh- he was at Northgate right across from school when the fight happened. He had time to take his shirt off to fight and everything. That didnt happen in High School- he DID BTW get in trouble for alcohol related offense in HS as well

It's a pattern of reckless, self centered and selfish behavior

IS winning $$$ in a casino at age 20 bad? Probably not. BUT it's illegal and then to take pics and POST IT ON TWITTER AND FACEBOOK? It goes to his pattern of stupidity.

Dumber than a bag of rocks- IMO feels entitiled, untouchable, selfish- that's why I feel 100% sure he didnt sit in his room for 2 hours signing 100s of items for free from an autograph broker

If anyone believes he did that for free, Im sure Aliens, Ghosts, the Lock Ness Monster and Big Foot were all in the room too along with Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa

 

You can gamble as a 18 year old, I've done it. It's not illegal. It is, however, illegal in certain places due to the alcohol being served like candy in a welcome bin. I don't doubt that he signed the autographs, but you still need proof + evidence to confirm that he was indeed paid for his services. If there is no paper trail, there is no way for the NCAA to "convict" him of wrong doing. Do I think he was paid and did it? Yeah, but I don't have proof. Burden of evidence is on us, not Manziel. Some people forget that is how the court system works.

 

Count me in the crowd who doesn't care about MINOR alcohol related offenses prior to 21. Minor in consumption/possession? BFD. Don't care.

 

His lifestyle is not relevant. Don't turn him into a bad guy because he has money - turn him into a bad guy because thats what he is.

 

All I'm saying is - "Uber rich spoiled brat, drives Mercedes, mom&dad move to College Station and buy big house for him and them, Spoiled, enabled, narcisisst

He makes slashing gestures after scoring TDs- no respect to his opps- trash talker", "Takes PICS of himself with 1000s of $$ at casino and POSTS THEM on facebook and twitter" Those comments have nothing to do with what makes Johnny a liability as a football player to their program, his personal choices, not his money, are what makes him a liability - that could go off the wagon at any time. Stick to the things that he does that are illegal or unethical.

 

For instance, I believe Taylor Martinez is a fairly well off guy, who drives a nice car, whose parents relocated numerous times to accommodate his needs. Is he not spoiled, enabled and a narcissist? Did Taylor not finger wag all of Kansas States audience as a freshman?

 

What sets Johnny apart is his knucklehead behavior off the field, so stick to that. Thats all.

 

But money could definitely be a contributing factor, look in the post earlier.

 

Thats fine. So every rich kid shouldn't be allowed to play college football? And, being a douchebag doesn't warrant being suspended from college football, does it? I don't see laws broken for being an ignorant tool. Nope.

 

I just don't see the relevance of "this guy is super rich and spoiled and he took 7,500. he should be kicked off the team". No, the issue is he could be richer than an Saudi oil king or poorer than (in wealth) than the poorest man alive, taking 7,500 is bad either way you slice it as presently stated in the NCAA guidelines.

 

Oh no, I definitely agree that it's bad, regardless of his SES. But people are going to be picking at answers as to "why", and having money is certainly something to be considered. He shouldn't be thrown off the team because he is rich; he should be thrown off the team because he violated a key NCAA rule.

[Landlord]

I also want to add in I'm not necessarily defending Johnny, because the guy is a self-centered, arrogant and egotistical douche. I just think that none of that really has to do with him being suspended. There are a lot of idiots on the field every day - who do worse things than Johnny. Taking 7,500 is the issue - not him driving a mercedes or having a rich family, or being a douche bag and partying all the time.

 

 

Maybe it got lost somewhere in your soap box, but does the point you are countering even have anything to do with him being suspended?

 

I thought the point of the thread was to ask how we would react and whether or not we would want him - like I said, maybe I missed it, but it seems like you are the only one trying to keep everything relevant to whether he should be suspended when everyone else is only keeping it relevant to him being a turd.

[jmfb]

Exactly

Im going to feel a bit more forgiving to a destitute kid with no dad who is trying to get up $400 to go see his mom in New Jersey and hasnt been home for 2 years than I am a guy living with Mom and Dad in College station, driving a Mercedes, never worked a day in his life, has unlimited $$$ - but put his teammates at risk for $7500

 

It also goes to those that are reserving their opinion of him based on his guilt or innocence- if there isnt any video evidence of him taking money and putting it in his pocket. SO all you have is the other evidence AND his pattern of behaivor.

 

Im also would like to think that if Bo had a kid like this, he wouldnt have ever let it get to this level (enabled)

I also would like to think that us NU fans wouldnt trade our integrity for wins and call for the kid to be suspended- he has 1 foot out the door already. Has zero intention of staying in school. Maybe Im wrong, hope I'm not.

 

A&M has hired the Auburn lawyers from the Cam Newton case, they are in good company with Auburn- they are neck and neck for most times on probation for football: http://blog.al.com/b...aa_infract.html

[StPaulHusker]

Let's just be happy he is not here and we don't have to deal with this circus during camp.

[zoogs]

Manziel doesn't sound like the kind of guy I'd like to hang out with but man, the character assassination of the guy. He's a spoiled (seeming) kid who likes to party and is completely oblivious to the fact of the spotlight.

 

Comparing him to Lawrence Phillips? Sounds like something the classiest fanbase in the country does.

[QMany]

I don't doubt that he signed the autographs, but you still need proof + evidence to confirm that he was indeed paid for his services. If there is no paper trail, there is no way for the NCAA to "convict" him of wrong doing. Do I think he was paid and did it? Yeah, but I don't have proof. Burden of evidence is on us, not Manziel. Some people forget that is how the court system works.

The court system and the NCAA compliance system are two entirely different things.

 

I am not well versed in NCAA regulations, but I'd assume after some sort of concrete allegations (autograph vendors with pictures/video and claims that they paid him money), the burden can be shifted to Manziel. It could become a ridiculous burden otherwise. Without subpoena power, how would the NCAA obtain a paper trail?