SJB - Targeting Rule discussion

[True2tRA]

What they would rather is for the defense to hit the guys low and cut them for a flip only to land on their head and break their neck. I mean watch the NFL and there have already been a few knees blown out this season for the safteys coming in low and not hitting high. Those guys are damned if they do and damned if they dont.

 

Yeah, no targeting call here, on this play from last weekend. No one ejected from the game. So apparently the ncaa thinks this isn't as bad as the SJB hit. (Note: There was a 15 yard penalty on this hit.)

 

Completely different type of hit in that Texas Oklahoma replay than what SJB did. Honestly in that Texas Oklahoma replay I can't see what the Oklahoma player did that caused McCoy to flip like that? It almost looked like McCoy played it up. I don't know what they expect players to do in these moments? They can't stop in mid air.

 

Looking closely it looks as if McCoy either jumps or leaves his feet at the point of impact, making this hit look far worse than it was.

 

IMO refs are looking far too much into how "brutal" the hit looks, rather than if anything illegal actually took place. Brutal hits are a part of the game, but it doesn't have to necessarily mean a rule was broken.

[NUance]

What they would rather is for the defense to hit the guys low and cut them for a flip only to land on their head and break their neck. I mean watch the NFL and there have already been a few knees blown out this season for the safteys coming in low and not hitting high. Those guys are damned if they do and damned if they dont.

 

Yeah, no targeting call here, on this play from last weekend. No one ejected from the game. So apparently the ncaa thinks this isn't as bad as the SJB hit. (Note: There was a 15 yard penalty on this hit.)

 

Completely different type of hit in that Texas Oklahoma replay than what SJB did. Honestly in that Texas Oklahoma replay I can't see what the Oklahoma player did that caused McCoy to flip like that? It almost looked like McCoy played it up. I don't know what they expect players to do in these moments? They can't stop in mid air.

 

Looking closely it looks as if McCoy either jumps or leaves his feet at the point of impact, making this hit look far worse than it was.

 

IMO refs are looking far too much into how "brutal" the hit looks, rather than if anything illegal actually took place. Brutal hits are a part of the game, but it doesn't have to necessarily mean a rule was broken.

Yeah, a completely different type of hit than SJB's hit. And apparently the ncaa thinks this isn't as bad as the SJB hit since no player ejection.

 

I don't think McCoy was hamming it up. In fact, I think he got hurt on that play. His knee, not his neck.

[True2tRA]

What they would rather is for the defense to hit the guys low and cut them for a flip only to land on their head and break their neck. I mean watch the NFL and there have already been a few knees blown out this season for the safteys coming in low and not hitting high. Those guys are damned if they do and damned if they dont.

 

Yeah, no targeting call here, on this play from last weekend. No one ejected from the game. So apparently the ncaa thinks this isn't as bad as the SJB hit. (Note: There was a 15 yard penalty on this hit.)

 

Completely different type of hit in that Texas Oklahoma replay than what SJB did. Honestly in that Texas Oklahoma replay I can't see what the Oklahoma player did that caused McCoy to flip like that? It almost looked like McCoy played it up. I don't know what they expect players to do in these moments? They can't stop in mid air.

 

Looking closely it looks as if McCoy either jumps or leaves his feet at the point of impact, making this hit look far worse than it was.

 

IMO refs are looking far too much into how "brutal" the hit looks, rather than if anything illegal actually took place. Brutal hits are a part of the game, but it doesn't have to necessarily mean a rule was broken.

Yeah, a completely different type of hit than SJB's hit. And apparently the ncaa thinks this isn't as bad as the SJB hit since no player ejection.

 

I don't think McCoy was hamming it up. In fact, I think he got hurt on that play. His knee, not his neck.

 

I wasn't aware he was injured or i wouldnt have made that statement. I'm just not sure why he left his feet like that before the impact was made. Whatever the reason, I think him leaving his feet at that moment made the impact look more brutal. IMO this is not an ejection or even a penalty. The Oklahoma player did nothing wrong. Again, I just believe it looked so bad the ref almost feels like something illegal must have occurred. If that makes sense.

[Foppa]

Posted in another thread but here is a screen grab. Kind of blurry but you can see SJB's helmet hit the Purdue player's facemask.

Can't really tell much from the photo above. But the gif below makes it look more like SJB hit with the shoulder. To me anyway. LINK

 

 

The Purdue RB's head didn't even snap back. That was a total bullsh#t call if you ask me.

 

It gets worse and worse the more I watch it. It was probably a cleaner hit than the Kenny Bell hit, which was still legit anyway. What a bunch of crap. I liked what Ben McLaughlin from Sports Nightly said. It's now going to make SJB (and others who sit and watch it in the film room) stop doing proper fundamental tackling because they don't want to be tossed from the game. And where are they going to have to aim? Knees. It's just sickening what the NCAA is doing to kill off college football. +1 to you, btw.

[HuskerShark]

I'm just not sure why he left his feet like that before the impact was made.

 

Case McCoy is the biggest pocket pansy I've ever seen. He falls off his back foot almost every time he throws the ball because he's scared to get hit.

[True2tRA]

As far as the discussion on these penalties being called consistently throughout college football I find it interesting that as used to we all are with refs being inconsistent constantly through individual games, we still have folks who expect consistency on a national scale. Ha! Good luck with that.

[EZ-E]

I feel the only thing we've really proven with this thread is that either the BIG officials are incompetent or the rest of the nations officials are. As someone said, I suppose I'll take stupid incompetence over maliciously bias.

[knapplc]

As far as the discussion on these penalties being called consistently throughout college football I find it interesting that as used to we all are with refs being inconsistent constantly through individual games, we still have folks who expect consistency on a national scale. Ha! Good luck with that.

 

So... when Stanley was ejected, you applauded and said, "Good call!" And when the Ole Miss dude wasn't ejected, you applauded and said, "Good call!" And when this tackle was made with the defender looking at the ground and leading with his helmet and there wasn't even a hint of a flag thrown, you applauded and said, "Good call!"

 

 

Because if you didn't bitch at all, then you should never bitch about any call, ever. Because you're used to inconsistency unlike us unwashed heathen you're trying to convince. Right?

[Foppa]

As far as the discussion on these penalties being called consistently throughout college football I find it interesting that as used to we all are with refs being inconsistent constantly through individual games, we still have folks who expect consistency on a national scale. Ha! Good luck with that.

 

So... when Stanley was ejected, you applauded and said, "Good call!" And when the Ole Miss dude wasn't ejected, you applauded and said, "Good call!" And when this tackle was made with the defender looking at the ground and leading with his helmet and there wasn't even a hint of a flag thrown, you applauded and said, "Good call!"

 

 

Because if you didn't bitch at all, then you should never bitch about any call, ever. Because you're used to inconsistency unlike us unwashed heathen you're trying to convince. Right?

 

Yep...that. I wouldn't have been so p*ssed about the SJB call had this not went completely missed. It's a HORRIBLE rule, but if you're going to have a HORRIBLE rule, you better f'ing call it on everyone.

[Count 'Bility]

After watching that gif some more, I have a legit question. What else is Stanley supposed to do? Is he supposed to just stand there and let the receiver go by him? Same with the Bell his last December. What is he supposed to do then? Seriously. He makes obvious attempt to go low. He's 6 inches taller than the guy to start. Even if his head is up and he wraps his arms, nothing changes and it's still probably a targeting call. That's the bullsh#t of this rule. It only seems to be enforced on the open field, more viscious appearing hits. Remember at Denver when the Bronco player came flying in the put his crown right into Terrell Pryor's temple? It gave him a concussion, but since Pryor was in a pile and stood up, it was not called. No fines or ejections came about it either. This is just another rule like I said that gives too much influence of the game to the officials. They cant do the basic job right 50% of the time to begin with.

 

Instead of all these educated idiots sitting behind desks whom probably have never even played a snap of competitive football in their lives coming up with all these ways NOT to tackle, maybe they need to advise on how it can be done. Within 2 years, you wont be able to tackle below the waist either as a result of these targeting rules. Mark it. 2 years.

[True2tRA]

As far as the discussion on these penalties being called consistently throughout college football I find it interesting that as used to we all are with refs being inconsistent constantly through individual games, we still have folks who expect consistency on a national scale. Ha! Good luck with that.

 

So... when Stanley was ejected, you applauded and said, "Good call!" And when the Ole Miss dude wasn't ejected, you applauded and said, "Good call!" And when this tackle was made with the defender looking at the ground and leading with his helmet and there wasn't even a hint of a flag thrown, you applauded and said, "Good call!"

 

 

Because if you didn't bitch at all, then you should never bitch about any call, ever. Because you're used to inconsistency unlike us unwashed heathen you're trying to convince. Right?

 

Knapp, as much as I like you personally, you're getting this putting words in my mouth sh#t down to a science.

 

I applauded a Husker being thrown out of a game? When? Especially SJB, one of the standouts of this team? Nope sorry buddy, but your attempts to continue to ban me and label me a hater, while it may fly with others and get you plus one little brownie points from others, it won't just go without a response from me.

 

Ole Miss dude? What Ole Miss dude? I literally have no clue what you are talking about. I don't think I've watched ole miss play or made any comments on any ole miss play? So again, not sure where I applauded and said good call.

 

I've repeatedly said I don't like the way they are pussified football. Please take me back to the sixties and seventies, hell even the eighties when guys used to play their asses off and literally try to hurt people. I love it. It's part of the game. I hate the constant flags flying in this game. I simply said that according to the rules, the SJB hit was illegal. The rule also states that these hits result in an ejection. I didn't make the f'ing rule bud, and I would take it off the books if I could.

 

Incinsistency in officiating? Damn right I'm used to it, aren't you? I'm not surprised at all that they miss some calls. Like I said above, I think some of these calls are literally affected by purely how brutal they "look". Even if nothing illegal actually occurred. I would even go a step further and sometimes say crowd reaction sometimes influences these calls a bit. Inconsistency is rampant in this game at all levels and is to be expected with new rules. The newer the rule, the more open to interpretation it is. Until a standard is developed, I believe it will continue.

 

I'm done arguing with you about it. I hope to have a beer with you again at some point and continue the conversations we have in a polite friendly manner. I won't insult your intelligence because I know I would be wrong to do so, you are a smart guy. We just disagree. Why I'm not quite sure, but I'm fine with it.

 

 

[knapplc]

You need to be reading everything I post in that "I'm half a goof" BS tone I used at the bar. That's my tone all the time, especially here. It's rarely taken like that, and I don't get why.

 

EDIT - and yeah, beer again sometime would be cool.

[Count 'Bility]

True says he wants to go back to the 60's and 70's the ways them guys played. I agree. And a thing about them times is, them guys didnt use their head. They played violent as hell but they did it the right way. I just dont understand how anyone can be responsible for head issues other than the players themselves. You didnt know that would cause problems? bullsh#t. It's common fricken sense. You CHOSE to play a violent game. You CHOSE to use your head as a battering ram. And now that you cant remember when to go to the bathroom, you want someone to blame. It's just the way of the day. No one wants to hold themselves accountable.

 

Wanna solve the targeting the head issue and keep the violence in football? Take the helmets away until guys learn how to NOT use them anymore.

[HuskerShark]

+24?.......... How did that happen?

[knapplc]

That's interesting! Either something is broken or about half the people online in the last few minutes all +1'd that post. I gave him another just to see if it was working. Weird.