Do you believe in God? A deity, or higher power?

[walksalone]

 

Why can't I just be God? What the f#*k? Why does God get it so good and I don't? What did he do to deserve to be God? The ability to know and see everything, to be everywhere all at once, to live forever, to control the universe...sounds pretty fantastic. Where's the dotted line that I sign for that?

 

Because you're not Morgan Freeman.

 

 

[JJ Husker]

 

Why can't I just be God? What the f#*k? Why does God get it so good and I don't? What did he do to deserve to be God? The ability to know and see everything, to be everywhere all at once, to live forever, to control the universe...sounds pretty fantastic. Where's the dotted line that I sign for that?

 

Because you're not Morgan Freeman.

Or George Burns.

 

Now. /thread.

[JJ Husker]

 

Dude- I was just trying to say that you could make your point in a less offensive manner. In case you didn't know, "ape son on two sticks" may come off as more than a little inflammatory for people who view Jesus, the son of God , as their savior. You don't strike me as being so clueless that you didn't already know that so you can drop the "way to get personal" charade.

It was just an appeal to tone down and be a little more respectful. But you can do whatever the hell you like.

 

In a thread that points out some of the Christian God's more heinous atrocities, I wouldn't think simply pointing out that Jesus was an ape would have been considered going over the line. All humans are apes, by the way. That's kinda where I was going with that.

 

Kind of an interesting perspective, I think. I wonder what a super-intelligent race of aliens would think if they observed us Earth apes squabbling over our quaint mythologies.

 

 

However, my colorful commentary obviously upset you, and for that I do apologize. There's a lot of perspective from people that were once deeply religious, then became . . . not so religious. Personally, I've never been religious. I remember even as a young child thinking this stuff was just kind of silly when I went to Sunday school with my cousins. So when I say things like that, part of it is maybe I'm just a bit of a crass dick with no filter, and part of it is I have no experience of what it's like to be religious, so I don't always take everyone's feelings into consideration. I don't always remember how extremely important this stuff is to a lot of people. So again I do apologize for that.

 

I will try to tone it down, and I think I've done that a lot already, actually. Just don't go read some of my posts in religious threads from 3-4 years ago. Yowzers.

No problem. I must've just had a temporary case of sand in the vag, I'm usually not so touchy.

[walksalone]

 

 

Why can't I just be God? What the f#*k? Why does God get it so good and I don't? What did he do to deserve to be God? The ability to know and see everything, to be everywhere all at once, to live forever, to control the universe...sounds pretty fantastic. Where's the dotted line that I sign for that?

Because you're not Morgan Freeman.

Or George Burns.

 

Now. /thread.

 

 

or Alanis Morrisette

[JJ Husker]

 

 

 

Why can't I just be God? What the f#*k? Why does God get it so good and I don't? What did he do to deserve to be God? The ability to know and see everything, to be everywhere all at once, to live forever, to control the universe...sounds pretty fantastic. Where's the dotted line that I sign for that?

 

Because you're not Morgan Freeman.

Or George Burns.

Now. /thread.

or Alanis Morrisette

Yes! Gotta love Dogma, one of my favorites.

[sd'sker]

 

 

God chose to do all of those things, thus setting the stage for millions of generations of sin and suffering, and for literally billions upon billions of people to fall utterly away from eternal life in heaven. God created that whole scenario, and the fact is he never had to.

this always stuck me odd in regards to jesus' sacrifice. he sacrificed his life for all of humanity. who would not do that? and he got to go to heaven and sit at the right side of his father, god. that just does not really seem like a sacrifice or necessary. just my imo.

Who would not do that? Plenty/Most people would not choose to be tortured and suffer crucifixion. But the real issue is that no one other than God's son could do it to any effect. Try watching The Passion of the Christ if you think it would be a cake walk.

 

i have seen the passion of the christ. it was torture porn. but i am sure there have been plenty of people who have faced just as tragic deaths. people have been tortured throughout time for much less.

 

i never said it would be a cake walk anyway. that was not the point. but why could god not just absolve us of sin anyway? why would he have to sacrifice his son? that seems pretty sadistic. not unlike abraham being willing to sacrifice his son to prove something to god. why would god just not know that his faith was steadfast?

 

not to mention, why was the bible written during the early stages of record keeping? and why did we just stop have prophets and such? is that not odd? we can finally verify stuff scientifically and no more prophets or towers of babel or people walking on water, curing leprosy, etc.?

[zoogs]

I'm not sure I'd call that the early stages of record-keeping. There was a whole lot of civilization and record keeping before the bible was written. Anyway, there are answers to all of these questions if you care to search for them.

[Landlord]

but why could god not just absolve us of sin anyway? why would he have to sacrifice his son?

 

and why did we just stop have prophets and such?

 

 

 

1. Jesus death' wasn't like a test or something - it was payment. Since humanity is sinful and the "wages", according to Scripture, or the cost or penalty of sin is death, sin could only justly be absolved by death. Jesus' death takes the place of our deaths. So your first question would be like you having a bank loan that you couldn't pay off, and someone from the bank (personally not professionally) decides to pay the loan for you and you're like, "why do you have to pay it? why can't you just say poof and it's gone?"

 

2. The prophets were a foreshadowing of Christ, and no longer needed after Jesus' life and death. The reason being that Jesus IS God, so He is completely revealed to us now; we don't need more revelation. Hebrews explains it pretty nicely:

 

[1] Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. [3] He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

(Hebrews 1:1-3 ESV)

[sd'sker]

kind of self-referential to have a book tell us why what the book says is the truth.

 

and why is humanity still sinful then? or why were we sinful in the first place?

[sd'sker]

I'm not sure I'd call that the early stages of record-keeping. There was a whole lot of civilization and record keeping before the bible was written. Anyway, there are answers to all of these questions if you care to search for them.

seeing how record keeping, and more importantly our ability to share information, has progressed exponentially, i would not say that is too much of a stretch.

 

and i really do not care to search for those answers. these are not the questions that keep me up at night. they just strike me as odd. but if i was a god, i would remove any ambiguities if i was to demand faith for eternal salvation.

[walksalone]

kind of self-referential to have a book tell us why what the book says is the truth.

 

and why is humanity still sinful then? or why were we sinful in the first place?

 

Because god and religion aside, it's easier to be bad, than to do the right thing...

[sd'sker]

honestly, i now kind of regret what i have posted in this thread. i have enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and ideas. i am firm in my beliefs, but i really do not like discussing my thoughts on religion or gods anymore. it is just not something i think about a lot anymore and i am no longer able to articulate my thoughts as well as i once could.

 

people just need to find their own truths and be the best person they can be. whatever allows you that, you should pursue.

 

hope i did not offend anyone.

[walksalone]

honestly, i now kind of regret what i have posted in this thread. i have enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and ideas. i am firm in my believes, but i really do not like discussing my thoughts on religion or gods anymore. it is just not something i think about a lot anymore and i am no longer able to articulate my thoughts as well as i once could.

 

people just need to find their own truths and be the best person they can be. whatever allows you that, you should pursue.

 

hope i did not offend anyone.

 

word

[Husker_x]

 

but why could god not just absolve us of sin anyway? why would he have to sacrifice his son?

 

and why did we just stop have prophets and such?

 

 

 

1. Jesus death' wasn't like a test or something - it was payment. Since humanity is sinful and the "wages", according to Scripture, or the cost or penalty of sin is death, sin could only justly be absolved by death. Jesus' death takes the place of our deaths. So your first question would be like you having a bank loan that you couldn't pay off, and someone from the bank (personally not professionally) decides to pay the loan for you and you're like, "why do you have to pay it? why can't you just say poof and it's gone?"

 

2. The prophets were a foreshadowing of Christ, and no longer needed after Jesus' life and death. The reason being that Jesus IS God, so He is completely revealed to us now; we don't need more revelation. Hebrews explains it pretty nicely:

 

[1] Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. [3] He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

(Hebrews 1:1-3 ESV)

 

 

Except the Bank of God was created by God and run by God, according to the rules set by God. The rules of the Bank of God could have been anything God chose. What model did God choose?

 

Every single customer the Bank of God serves only even exists because God created them. He knowingly and purposefully created all but two of his customers pre-loaded with a loan they could never repay. And he knew even the two lucky prototypes would eventually flout Bank of God Enchanted Fruit Policy (see the fine print) and default themselves, resulting in a 100% failure rate for Bank of God customers living a debt-free existence.

 

We then find out that Bank of God policy is not, in fact, death for failure to repay as originally stated; it is a form eternal life, just in a shithole (again see the amended fine print). Despite omniscience, Bank of God president Jesus-God takes a thousand-odd years to realize there's a problem. Rightfully panicked, he decides to fix the situation the only way someone hoping to pay off a massive debt logically could: crucifixion. I don't know why if death is the only problem Bank of God president Jesus-God wouldn't just warp himself into the stratosphere and let gravity take its course. Not sexy enough, I guess. Bank of God president Jesus-God does nothing half assed.

 

This leaves me, another presumed Bank of God customer, in a tricky situation. I don't condone capital punishment for one. For another, I'm certainly not willing to let an innocent person get tortured, humiliated, and murdered for my dirty thoughts about Emma Watson (note to Bank of God president: this is strictly hypothetical, not an admission of guilt). If I'd been around when Jesus-God took one for the corporation, I would have had to morally oppose his actions and prevent it any way I could. But unfortunately Bank of God policy finds me guilty of murder myself post-dated 2000 years after the incident, even though I was absent for the event.

 

I know Fannie and Freddy, Goldman Sachs, etc. have had some pretty shady dealings, but they pale in comparison to the Bank of God system.

[jsneb83]

 

1. Jesus death' wasn't like a test or something - it was payment. Since humanity is sinful and the "wages", according to Scripture, or the cost or penalty of sin is death, sin could only justly be absolved by death. Jesus' death takes the place of our deaths. So your first question would be like you having a bank loan that you couldn't pay off, and someone from the bank (personally not professionally) decides to pay the loan for you and you're like, "why do you have to pay it? why can't you just say poof and it's gone?"

 

Are you making a South Park reference?