The Repub Debate

[BigRedBuster]

I saw a poll not too long ago where a heck of a lot of people don't trust Hillary. It even included a lot of Democrats. If those people don't like Sanders and are only supporting Hillary because she isn't Sanders but still a Dem, then they could switch to Joe.

[carlfense]

I saw a poll not too long ago where a heck of a lot of people don't trust Hillary. It even included a lot of Democrats.

It's true. The public opinion of her trustworthiness is her biggest weakness. That's why the e-mail thing will be ridden into the ground regardless of whether there is any "there" there.

 

Again, we'll see. Could be that Hillary is imploding and Sanders/Biden/whoever is going to win the nomination. Then again . . . I doubt you or most people paying attention would make that bet.

[BigRedBuster]

 

I saw a poll not too long ago where a heck of a lot of people don't trust Hillary. It even included a lot of Democrats.

It's true. The public opinion of her trustworthiness is her biggest weakness. That's why the e-mail thing will be ridden into the ground regardless of whether there is any "there" there.

 

Again, we'll see. Could be that Hillary is imploding and Sanders/Biden/whoever is going to win the nomination. Then again . . . I doubt you or most people paying attention would make that bet.

 

I didn't say I was going to make a bet one way or the other.

I do know one thing from past experience watching these. Very seldom does it work out a year from now the way it looks now.

[Moiraine]

Hillary is extremely fake. But so was Bill and he turned out to be a pretty good president.

[cornographic]

Corn, you are so over the top that you neuter any of your argument/statements wt your ridiculous posts. So, now you link Trump to white supremacy because some guy out of 1000s (I think over 20k) in the crowd yelled 'white power". I guess you didn't know that the rally was opened by an African American pastor's prayer - but I guess if you knew that you'd not posted your video or probably you would have called the pastor a Uncle Tom or something worse.

 

A Daily Kos contributor said this was was not an isolated incident and that the phrase was yelled out multiple times by members of the crowd throughout the event.

 

Actually, the people yelling out "white power" left out a key word to their chant: "more". Whites, relatively speaking, already have the power, globally. So, what would-be Fuhrer Trump's disciples must be wanting is, "more white power". Trump's 'black pastor' is obviously a marketing ploy to A) appeal to the Christian Right, and B) make it look like he's not racist. Trump probably isn't particularly racist to those who aren't "losers" and, in particualr, can add to his wealth and narcissistic success. Trump, though, has said outright that religion doesn't play much of a role in his life. He probably thinks God is a Big Loser and fired Him long ago. Trump is such a con man, don't see how anyone falls for his bullsh#t.

 

Additionally, I stand firmly and soberly by my "over the top" remarks re: Trump and Hitler, and as I pointed out, I am not the only one stating such a viewpoint. The difficult with this roster of RepubliKlans is that it is a bit difficult to discern who is actually the most fascist, as per history illustrates that the Reich wing Conservative Party is closely networked with German fascism, i.e., the Nazis, or what has been called since WWII, the "Underground Reich", which is not so much underground anymore, especially in the EU as they say, "the EU speaks German". Jean Claude Junker(current president of EU Commission) is the key guy there, and his fascist cronies, who have taken over the EU and are currently dictating Third Reich style economics to the rest of the member European countries--namely Greece, of late.

 

Anyway, of the current Repubs, Jeb Bush and the Bush family as a whole are probably the most closely tied to the Undergroud Reich, especially since WWII where grandaddy Prescott supported and funded Hitler's Nazi party--as did General Electric, Henry Ford and others--mainly thru the vehicle of his Union Bank. More on the Bush family of fascists:

 

Bush family also has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood("Islamic SS"), namely the Bin Laden Family and, at the time, Osama. More on that later, I guess.

 

#2 Repub fascist probably goes to Rand Paul, named after Ayn Rand, one of the key proponents of Libertarianism in the 20th century. Libertarianism, as everyone knows, is the political economic philosophy of Ludwig Von Mises, an Austrian fascist(Nazi), who advocated, like Mussolini, extreme corporatism, antidemocracy, monarchism(namely the Hapsburg family) and chatel slavery, especially of the darker races who were/are viewed as evolutionarily inferior. "Corporativismo è il fascismo"(Mussolini). Rand's daddy Ron is similarly a Libertarian and is noteworthy for his racist rants in his newsletter, especally in the 90s. Libertarianism in the U.S. is also closely aligned with the Neo Confederate Movement, the League of the South, John Birch Society, the KKK, to name just a few--all far right wing fascist organizations.

 

#3 Repub facist: Der Trump. As noted before, many noteworthy similarities to Hitler. I will have to dig further on his financial/political networks but I have little doubt there will a fair number of Austrio/Germanic/Swiss names on his roster.

 

#4 Repub fascist: Scott Walker. "Hitler Lite", I call him. Also heavily Libertarian, makes his interns, et al, read Ayn Rand indoctrination literature. Is in the back pocket of the also Libertarian Koch Bros. Noteworthy hatred of organized Labor and, like the Repubs as a whole, anything to do with social/democratic policies--e.g., social security, which they willingly and ruthlessly slash and burn. If you don't want social security in your old age, vote RepubliKlan. Also, if you want your sons and daughters--or yourself--sent off to war, vote RepubliKlan.

 

I'll be looking further into the rest of the Reich Wing candidates. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio look like classic up and coming fascists. More to come.

[cornographic]

Hillary is extremely fake. But so was Bill and he turned out to be a pretty good president.

Slick Willy has a huge amount of blood on his hands--as do most presidents. Namely, Slick was responsible for increasing U.S. arms sales from ~16% to ~63% during his term. A large portion going to Turkey in their massacres of large numbers of Kurds in the 90s. Pretty much left unreported, of course.

 

Slick also signed off on NAFTA, which is largely responsible for the U.S. race to the bottom--for the "99%", anyway. It wasn't his idea, though, but more of the same Reich Wing economics shoved down our throats. T(oilet)P(aper)Parnership will further destroy U.S. sovereignty and accelarate 3rd worldization of the country. Not even Der Trump can stop any of that.

 

Anyway, not a fan of Slick Willy and his wife. I think BERNIEBERNIEBERNIE offers the most change for the common man and woman, if the Reich Wing doesn't assassinate him, that is, should he become a real threat.(not joking).

[TGHusker]

corn - I agree wt you on this - I'm no fan of the bushes and their New World Order & neocon philosophy is/has been ruinous to this country and esp the middle class.

But I do have a problem with you painting the broad brush on all of the other repub candidates.

 

We could go down that road and call all left leaning dems communists/stalinists as you call the conservatives fascists/Nazi.

[BigRedBuster]

 

Hillary is extremely fake. But so was Bill and he turned out to be a pretty good president.

Slick Willy has a huge amount of blood on his hands--as do most presidents. Namely, Slick was responsible for increasing U.S. arms sales from ~16% to ~63% during his term. A large portion going to Turkey in their massacres of large numbers of Kurds in the 90s. Pretty much left unreported, of course.

 

Slick also signed off on NAFTA, which is largely responsible for the U.S. race to the bottom--for the "99%", anyway. It wasn't his idea, though, but more of the same Reich Wing economics shoved down our throats. T(oilet)P(aper)Parnership will further destroy U.S. sovereignty and accelarate 3rd worldization of the country. Not even Der Trump can stop any of that.

 

Anyway, not a fan of Slick Willy and his wife. I think BERNIEBERNIEBERNIE offers the most change for the common man and woman, if the Reich Wing doesn't assassinate him, that is, should he become a real threat.(not joking).

 

You know....this is a perfect example of why I just can't take your posts seriously.

[Husker_x]

 

I don't think it's possible to ignore the manipulative and directed way in which Trump is stirring up nativist sentiments to fuel his primary run. It's also not hard to connect those dots with similar tactics used throughout history. Using the age-old "They are coming to take our country away from us" mantra is a vile campaign tactic––which of course is why Trump is leading the Republican party in every poll. The Republican base is either comprised of or deeply sympathetic toward racists and xenophobes, who believe priority #1 in "making America great again" is to forcibly cleanse it of eleven million illegals, who are really nothing but scapegoats distracting an ignorant electorate from what's really happening in this country.

 

X - I'm not a Trump supporter but I disagree wt anyone labeling a candidate based on some guy in the crowd. The same is true if Sanders was the speaker and someone yelled out 'communist power' (yes I know socialism isn't communism in the same way conservatism isn't racism - by the way it was mainly southern Dems who were in the old white power organization of the past KKK). I personally don't know of any repub who believes what I have placed in bold in your quote - that again is a broad brush accusation that cannot be substantiated and only distracts from the discussion. Are their repubs who act/believe that way - I'm sure there are. Are their libs who would like to install a Soviet style gov't here - I'm sure there are - but those are all exceptions. Trump has struck a nerve about issues that need to be fixed in the country - that doesn't mean his solutions are correct but just that he gets support because he's willing to talk openly about them. As far as I can tell, he hasn't put forward serious, WORKABLE, solutions to the issues he raises - this is why I believe his star will eventually fade. His supporters, while vocal now, are not the totality of the republican base much less the republican party as a whole. Yes, Trump uses red meat to stir people up - but eventually a more rounded diet will be desired and a more 'conventional' candidate will rise to the top.

 

I didn't actually mention the white supremacist in the crowd, and when you have a crowd of twenty thousand, you can't exactly pick and choose who shows up. With that being said, it's not surprising either that Trump attracts the racist bloc, given his bombastic rhetoric and general stance towards immigrants and everyone else he considers "losers."

 

Like him or not, Donald Trump is the Republican frontrunner (and has been for some time), and therefore at least temporarily he is the standard-bearer guiding the Republican debate. His plan, which has been widely hailed on the right and aped by other candidates, is exactly what I said: to deport ~12,000,000 people from this country. It's an undertaking that will at the very least require a hugely expensive police campaign to weed out all the "illegals" and force them, no doubt often at gunpoint, to return to wherever they came from. Many of them will be met with poverty, starvation, and violence when they arrive. If you disagree with Trump that it's "workable," I'm sorry but in his eyes you're just a loser who doesn't have it. Probably you should be deported as well.

 

The Republican establishment may roll their eyes at this eventuality, but this is again where someone like Hitler (or pick your tyrant if you like) is a good reminder. Things don't always go the way you hope they will. Everyone who's gotten into the habit of taking this insane doofus lightly has had egg on their face so far, and nothing––no matter how grotesque or deplorable––has slowed him down. The more vitriolic and xenophobic he becomes, the larger his lead grows. That's the fact of the matter. That is the GOP in the present moment. If you're not on board, I'd suggest you lend a hand in taking your party back. I'd do it quick, too, because from my vantage point it looks like the walls are fallen and the castle is burning thanks to the people you claim are not representative of the Republican zietgeist.

[HuskerNation1]

Hillary is extremely fake. But so was Bill and he turned out to be a pretty good president.

 

Both the Clintons are fake, but Bill was must more masterful and getting people to actually believe him. While also being a liar like Hillary, he was a good politician in the sense of what people tend to think of politicians. He has much higher emotional intelligence than Hillary.

[cornographic]

 

 

Hillary is extremely fake. But so was Bill and he turned out to be a pretty good president.

Slick Willy has a huge amount of blood on his hands--as do most presidents. Namely, Slick was responsible for increasing U.S. arms sales from ~16% to ~63% during his term. A large portion going to Turkey in their massacres of large numbers of Kurds in the 90s. Pretty much left unreported, of course.

 

Slick also signed off on NAFTA, which is largely responsible for the U.S. race to the bottom--for the "99%", anyway. It wasn't his idea, though, but more of the same Reich Wing economics shoved down our throats. T(oilet)P(aper)Parnership will further destroy U.S. sovereignty and accelarate 3rd worldization of the country. Not even Der Trump can stop any of that.

 

Anyway, not a fan of Slick Willy and his wife. I think BERNIEBERNIEBERNIE offers the most change for the common man and woman, if the Reich Wing doesn't assassinate him, that is, should he become a real threat.(not joking).

 

You know....this is a perfect example of why I just can't take your posts seriously.

 

Why do you read them, then? you're not obligated to.

[cornographic]

corn - I agree wt you on this - I'm no fan of the bushes and their New World Order & neocon philosophy is/has been ruinous to this country and esp the middle class.

But I do have a problem with you painting the broad brush on all of the other repub candidates.

 

We could go down that road and call all left leaning dems communists/stalinists as you call the conservatives fascists/Nazi.

Well, Trump just got an endorsement from David Duke(KKK) this week, so my argument is strengthened by that.

 

Stalin was a fascist and the USSR("communism") was essentially a fascist style dictatorship. Their fascists just called themselves "The State", it was a form of state capitalism where The State" control evrything and derive the profits. Marx's version of "communism" is one of a no class hierarchy--i.e., "classless"--and the entire economy is essentially run by the "proletariat". So, the USSR was not "communism" in the classic Marxist sense. The fascist essentially coopted the terms socialism and communism to make the proletariet feel good about things, just as they use the term "democracy" here in America when, in fact, our democracy--what little we have ever had--was sold down the river long ago, especially post WWII. If you are seriously interested in Nazi style fascism in the USA, I highly recommend the work of Dave Emory on the subject. Easy to listen to, extensive library of 50 years work of podcasts based on documented research.

 

http://spitfirelist.com/

 

When the Nazis say they "hate communism", what they mean is they hate Marx's version of socialism/communism, i.e., the real stuff. Stalin was buddy buddy with all the European fascists. The USSR did have certain elements of socialism, namely less privatization, but that is because the capitalists known as The State, as I described, owned about everything--and the big industry, in particular.

 

 

Nazi style fascism is alive and well in the world and on the rise, especially Europe and the USA, but you certainly don't have to take my word for it. Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, and Scott Walker are unequivocably card carrying fascist sympathizers. The Bush family are essentially American Nazis, IMO, but it's well researched and documented by many. Of course, in America, you can't go around saying you are a fascist or Nazi, even if you are and those you represent are, because, you know, it's bad publicity. Though, it's getting more acceptable and you will see it more blantantly in our faces as time goes by. Bill O'Reilly, just the other night, was singing the praises of "Hitler, The Last Days" and recommending it be taught in schools. And that is why, in part, I call it "Fox Fascist News", because it is 100% that: corporate fascism.

 

The Muslim Brotherhood, who, in large part make up Al Qaeda(Al CIAda), ISIS and the like, trace their roots back to Hitler's Islamic SS. The Muslim Brotherhood, along with the CIA, taught Osama Bin Ladin, et. al, his "craft". They are fascist run paramilitary groups for the Islamic world, mainly run by the West whenever the latter needs them to do their dirty work in the Mideast or Russia(see Chechnya), etc. ocassionally they 'go rogue' and fight against their western masters, so it gets complicated defining who's on who's team at any one time. As an aside, the Tsarnaev Bros(Boston bombing), the older one was trained by the CIA's Graham Fuller's Jihadist training group in Chechnya, well, to fight the Russians, but the Tsarnaev's kind of went "rogue"--or did they???

 

When, however, you want to get to the roots of modern day fascism/Nazism, you have to turn your gaze toward Switzerland, because those are the guys that "handled" Hitler:

 

Who's your Daddy?

 

The democratic party, to the extent that they have sold out to the corporatists--which they have--are also, therefore, fascist if we go by Mussolini's broad definition. Bernie Sanders is probably the only politician in Washington that could truly be called a democrat, that is, for The People.

 

There are many corporate Nazi sympathizers in US history, namely, J.P Morgan, the Dupont family, the Rockefellers, Henry Ford, D McCarthey, the Bushes, the Knutzen family of GM, on and on, the Koch Bros of today. Many Neo Nazi groups on the rise in the US as we speak. D Ruth, John Houser were absolutely Nazi sympathizers and basically carried out 'lone wolf Nazi terrorism' in their shooting sprews. (Abdulazeez was Muslim Bortherhood via his uncle in Jordan.)

 

So, I suggest people wake up and smell the weiner schitzel...take your country back.

[TGHusker]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-31/carson-trump-tie-for-top-spot-in-iowa-monmouth-university-poll

 

Carson now tied wt Trump in Iowa. Maybe the beginning of the Trump fade away

[cornographic]

Kris Krispy Kreme Christie said, the other day, that they should "GPS illegal immigrants", and their babies, of course. Guess he's never heard of a cell phone.

[BigRedBuster]

I think the more we move along, we will see more headlines like this.

 

 

Inside Ben Carson's quiet surge

 

I think Trump's popularity is simply a fad because he goes out and says the most outrageous things. The closer to the time when people actually vote, I think he will fade off into the sunset and someone like Carson will emerge.