The Repub Debate

[HuskerNation1]

I think the more we move along, we will see more headlines like this.

 

 

Inside Ben Carson's quiet surge

 

I think Trump's popularity is simply a fad because he goes out and says the most outrageous things. The closer to the time when people actually vote, I think he will fade off into the sunset and someone like Carson will emerge.

 

There is indeed a desire on the right for an outsider, and it's only a matter of time before Conservatives realize that Trump is not really Conservative. Jeb Bush has out this great ad showing what a hypocrite Donald is.

 

 

To me this may help Carson now, but I really think Fiorina will be the final outsider in the race. Carson isn't as knowledgeable on a broad spectrum of topics, and doesn't have the fighter instinct that the right is wanting now.

[BigRedBuster]

I'm tired of people wanting to go to Washington ready for a fight.

 

We need people who are reasonable and not of the opinion that the other side is the enemy that they need to defeat at all cost (meaning dollars or morality).

[cornographic]

 

I think the more we move along, we will see more headlines like this.

 

 

Inside Ben Carson's quiet surge

 

I think Trump's popularity is simply a fad because he goes out and says the most outrageous things. The closer to the time when people actually vote, I think he will fade off into the sunset and someone like Carson will emerge.

 

There is indeed a desire on the right for an outsider, and it's only a matter of time before Conservatives realize that Trump is not really Conservative. Jeb Bush has out this great ad showing what a hypocrite Donald is.

 

 

To me this may help Carson now, but I really think Fiorina will be the final outsider in the race. Carson isn't as knowledgeable on a broad spectrum of topics, and doesn't have the fighter instinct that the right is wanting now.

 

The idea that Trump is "antiestablishment" is incredibly silly. He's as establishment as it gets: he's corporate and he buys politicians, and now he is a politician. He IS the Corporatocracy. That being said, I don't see anybody stopping Der Trump from getting the Repub nomination at this point. The real powers that be are starting to align behind him. Clear and present danger, is all I can say.

[TGHusker]

 

I think the more we move along, we will see more headlines like this.

 

 

Inside Ben Carson's quiet surge

 

I think Trump's popularity is simply a fad because he goes out and says the most outrageous things. The closer to the time when people actually vote, I think he will fade off into the sunset and someone like Carson will emerge.

 

There is indeed a desire on the right for an outsider, and it's only a matter of time before Conservatives realize that Trump is not really Conservative. Jeb Bush has out this great ad showing what a hypocrite Donald is.

 

 

To me this may help Carson now, but I really think Fiorina will be the final outsider in the race. Carson isn't as knowledgeable on a broad spectrum of topics, and doesn't have the fighter instinct that the right is wanting now.

 

I for one am glad that Fiorina gets a seat at the big peoples table for the next debate - if for anything to take the light off of trump. If he says something nasty to her, it will back fire -I think she will zing him back.

[BigRedBuster]

I'm glad she is too.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

I think the more we move along, we will see more headlines like this.

 

 

Inside Ben Carson's quiet surge

 

I think Trump's popularity is simply a fad because he goes out and says the most outrageous things. The closer to the time when people actually vote, I think he will fade off into the sunset and someone like Carson will emerge.

 

There is indeed a desire on the right for an outsider, and it's only a matter of time before Conservatives realize that Trump is not really Conservative. Jeb Bush has out this great ad showing what a hypocrite Donald is.

 

 

To me this may help Carson now, but I really think Fiorina will be the final outsider in the race. Carson isn't as knowledgeable on a broad spectrum of topics, and doesn't have the fighter instinct that the right is wanting now.

 

The idea that Trump is "antiestablishment" is incredibly silly. He's as establishment as it gets: he's corporate and he buys politicians, and now he is a politician. He IS the Corporatocracy. That being said, I don't see anybody stopping Der Trump from getting the Repub nomination at this point. The real powers that be are starting to align behind him. Clear and present danger, is all I can say.

 

 

The problem with Donald Trump is that he speaks out of both sides of his mouth on just about every issue. He claims to be anti-establishment and an outsider, yet he bragged in the first debate how he bought votes from Pelosi and others. He claims he's not raising money, yet he's taking money from small donors "to make them feel engaged." I honestly do not think he will get the nomination and he will fade after the votes begin, but I think with Obama succeeding in 2008 with his celebrity-like appeal and soaring speeches, and Donald now so high in the polls, celebrity status means more now in Presidential politics than money or competence.

[cornographic]

 

 

 

I think the more we move along, we will see more headlines like this.

 

 

Inside Ben Carson's quiet surge

 

I think Trump's popularity is simply a fad because he goes out and says the most outrageous things. The closer to the time when people actually vote, I think he will fade off into the sunset and someone like Carson will emerge.

 

There is indeed a desire on the right for an outsider, and it's only a matter of time before Conservatives realize that Trump is not really Conservative. Jeb Bush has out this great ad showing what a hypocrite Donald is.

 

 

To me this may help Carson now, but I really think Fiorina will be the final outsider in the race. Carson isn't as knowledgeable on a broad spectrum of topics, and doesn't have the fighter instinct that the right is wanting now.

 

The idea that Trump is "antiestablishment" is incredibly silly. He's as establishment as it gets: he's corporate and he buys politicians, and now he is a politician. He IS the Corporatocracy. That being said, I don't see anybody stopping Der Trump from getting the Repub nomination at this point. The real powers that be are starting to align behind him. Clear and present danger, is all I can say.

 

 

The problem with Donald Trump is that he speaks out of both sides of his mouth on just about every issue. He claims to be anti-establishment and an outsider, yet he bragged in the first debate how he bought votes from Pelosi and others. He claims he's not raising money, yet he's taking money from small donors "to make them feel engaged." I honestly do not think he will get the nomination and he will fade after the votes begin, but I think with Obama succeeding in 2008 with his celebrity-like appeal and soaring speeches, and Donald now so high in the polls, celebrity status means more now in Presidential politics than money or competence.

 

Agree. "Help Wanted: U.S. Prez, No Experience Necessary". Little scary isn't it? Only in Murica, I guess.

 

Trump spends most the time bragging about how rich and successful he is and how "that thing" between his ears is so special, even though he doesn't know how it works, he will certainly put it to work for the Murican People. Trump, like this one German guy I keep comparing him to, makes liberal use of "The Big Lie". Like The Wall, or deporting 12 million people or so, or bringing all the jobs back from China, yada yada. Trump is the best at everything, best military guy, best guy for women, best guy on immigration, best guy for jobs, best guy for yo' momma, etc, etc. Best guy that God ever put on the earth. Why? Because Donald says, that's why.

 

Never underestimate the cult of celebrity and worship of wealth in America. Trump is "America's Id" as John Stewart said. Alot of Americans seem to be crying out for a "strong man" dictator type and guess what, they'll probably get it, much to others' chagrin. Saw Bill Kristol aligning to Trump now. David Duke too, so those are the types that like Trump. I actually think the RNC wants Bush in there--since his family is more connected than a switchboard-- but are pretty quickly realizing Trump will probably get the popular vote. I think the power people are giving Trump the long serious look as we speak and probably getting on the bandwagon.

[Moiraine]

I'm tired of people wanting to go to Washington ready for a fight.

 

We need people who are reasonable and not of the opinion that the other side is the enemy that they need to defeat at all cost (meaning dollars or morality).

 

I don't think many politicians actually intend to "take on Washington." They just say that to get votes. I'm not even sure what it means. "Washington" is a collection of politicians from all 50 states.

[HuskerNation1]

 

I'm tired of people wanting to go to Washington ready for a fight.

 

We need people who are reasonable and not of the opinion that the other side is the enemy that they need to defeat at all cost (meaning dollars or morality).

 

I don't think many politicians actually intend to "take on Washington." They just say that to get votes. I'm not even sure what it means. "Washington" is a collection of politicians from all 50 states.

 

 

I actually don't mind hearing candidates say they want to "fight for us" and take on Washington. This country was not doing great in 2008, and has gotten much worse since Obama took office. I saw a poll out this week that a record 71% of people are unhappy with the direction of this country. Common sense things that we must do on our own, like balance a budget, is not something that members of either party feel is necessary. I think 2016 will be a bit unique in that voters are so frustrated they are ready to show it at the ballot box and select non-traditional politicians.

[BigRedBuster]

What exactly does it mean we are "going in the wrong direction"?

Serious question.

 

I was out with a group of guys a couple weeks ago and a really good friend of mine just absolutely got so worked up and started ranting about how this country has gone to hell in the last ten years and how much worse off we are now than we were then and on and on and on. The rest of us were so shocked at how pissed off he was we just sat there and tried to change the subject. This is a very smart, very successful guy but after a few beers was the wrong time to question him on it.

So, I'm asking here.

[cornographic]

Murica loves them some "casino capitalists", so what the heck, why not put one in charge of the country?

 

 

 

How many lies can you allow yourself to believe before you become part of the lie? Mort Sahl

[HuskerNation1]

What exactly does it mean we are "going in the wrong direction"?

 

Serious question.

 

I was out with a group of guys a couple weeks ago and a really good friend of mine just absolutely got so worked up and started ranting about how this country has gone to hell in the last ten years and how much worse off we are now than we were then and on and on and on. The rest of us were so shocked at how pissed off he was we just sat there and tried to change the subject. This is a very smart, very successful guy but after a few beers was the wrong time to question him on it.

 

So, I'm asking here.

 

I'm not making this up. Here is the link to it:

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/qpoll-issues-213177

 

I honestly think the reasoning for this is two-fold:

 

1. This country has always been a center-right country, and I think in many ways still leans to the right. In 2008 people were tired of the war and bought into Obama's Hope and Change mantra that he would somehow heal the divisions in the country. Instead, he has taken this country on a sharp turn to the left, and the divisions (especially racial and the anti-cop rhetoric) has gotten out of control.

 

2. There are many on both sides of the aisle that just don't understand why members of both parties cannot address our growing national debt and budget. To expect individual citizens to live within their means, but then have the government show no true concern for shrinking the budget is a primary driver.

 

I also think that the lack of focus on illegal immigration for years and years has reached a boiling point, and again, Washington politicians cannot get the job done.

 

This is a very angry electorate, which is why we have a socialist near the lead in one party, and an out of control narcissist leading the other.

[ZRod]

You're number 1 is a fallicy. Obama has barely move the preverbial needle on the right/left meter. In fact he's pretty damn neutral. If he or Repubs were capable of working with each other he might be viewed in a favorable light on both sides even with his past legislation.

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Was watching the news the other day, CNN probably, and they were interviewing some Tea Party RebupliKlan type and at one point the guy exclaims, "Ah hate the gov't, ah hate taxes, and they gotta keep them greedy gov't hands off my medicare and social security!" (the irony being, of course, that medicare and social security are gov't programs--you know, provided by the gov't)

 

Seriously Tea Baggers, you gotta be better than that. And this is a big and very sad problem amongst many blue collar and middle class right wingers: the Reich Wing politicos have structured their propaganda to target and draw in honest people--who often are suffering the slings and arrows of Reich Wing policy--and bamboozle then into voting against their own interests. it's quite sad.

 

And this is just another aspect of what I frequently refer to as, "Murica." Muricans really gotta get their political/historical IQ up to another level before this thing is driven straight into the ground. You know, if you asked a Murican "what was the Ottoman Empire?", he'd say, "ain't that the furniture outlet out thar on route 66?" If you asked a Murican--or Donald Trump--"who are the Hashemites?", he'd come back with, "that's them hippie weed farmers up in the backwoods down yonder way thar". A Murican thinks that "black ops" is what Ben Carson does in the O.R. And please don't let my jest in any way imply that all Muricans are from the South and/or rural. Muricans can come from any part of Murica.

 

Murica, gotta love it. But Murica, gotta get smarter.

[HuskerNation1]

You're number 1 is a fallicy. Obama has barely move the preverbial needle on the right/left meter. In fact he's pretty damn neutral. If he or Repubs were capable of working with each other he might be viewed in a favorable light on both sides even with his past legislation.

 

Wow, you are really going on record stating that Obama has not put in place policies that have moved the needle? For starters, Obamacare, even though I know it's not the liberal utopia of universal health care, is a shift to the left in that it involves government mandates in the health insurance arena. It also was passed without any realistic plan on how the new entitlement would be funded, and thus will continue to add to the national debt.

 

Obama's foreign policy is definitely not a center-right one where the US leads the world on many key issues. He's signed executive action favoring environmentalists, while also blocking the passage of the Keystone pipeline. He's underfunded our nations Vets while expanding use of food stamps and welfare in general. Food stamp usage is at an all time high under Obama. Also, the number of Americans that have fallen out of the labor force and are more likely to be dependent upon the government has reached an all-time high.

 

A center-right nation is one aspiring for limited government, and just about every action Obama has taken has been just the opposite.