BigRedBuster Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 You're number 1 is a fallicy. Obama has barely move the preverbial needle on the right/left meter. In fact he's pretty damn neutral. If he or Repubs were capable of working with each other he might be viewed in a favorable light on both sides even with his past legislation. Wow, you are really going on record stating that Obama has not put in place policies that have moved the needle? For starters, Obamacare, even though I know it's not the liberal utopia of universal health care, is a shift to the left in that it involves government mandates in the health insurance arena. It also was passed without any realistic plan on how the new entitlement would be funded, and thus will continue to add to the national debt. Obama's foreign policy is definitely not a center-right one where the US leads the world on many key issues. He's signed executive action favoring environmentalists, while also blocking the passage of the Keystone pipeline. He's underfunded our nations Vets while expanding use of food stamps and welfare in general. Food stamp usage is at an all time high under Obama. Also, the number of Americans that have fallen out of the labor force and are more likely to be dependent upon the government has reached an all-time high. A center-right nation is one aspiring for limited government, and just about every action Obama has taken has been just the opposite. If government mandates in health care is such an extreme liberal thought then why did the Republicans first come up with the idea? Link to comment
huskers15 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Hillary is extremely fake. But so was Bill and he turned out to be a pretty good president. Link to comment
ZRod Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 You're number 1 is a fallicy. Obama has barely move the preverbial needle on the right/left meter. In fact he's pretty damn neutral. If he or Repubs were capable of working with each other he might be viewed in a favorable light on both sides even with his past legislation. Wow, you are really going on record stating that Obama has not put in place policies that have moved the needle? For starters, Obamacare, even though I know it's not the liberal utopia of universal health care, is a shift to the left in that it involves government mandates in the health insurance arena. It also was passed without any realistic plan on how the new entitlement would be funded, and thus will continue to add to the national debt. Obama's foreign policy is definitely not a center-right one where the US leads the world on many key issues. He's signed executive action favoring environmentalists, while also blocking the passage of the Keystone pipeline. He's underfunded our nations Vets while expanding use of food stamps and welfare in general. Food stamp usage is at an all time high under Obama. Also, the number of Americans that have fallen out of the labor force and are more likely to be dependent upon the government has reached an all-time high. A center-right nation is one aspiring for limited government, and just about every action Obama has taken has been just the opposite. If government mandates in health care is such an extreme liberal thought then why did the Republicans first come up with the idea? Precisely! No plan for funding is a Consevative tradition (see Iraq War 2.0, Medicare part D, the defense budget, the national budget, etc.) You mean the US leading on key issues by bombing countries and starting wars without ever declaring war and using false intel? Or are we talking about the US that is trying to delay the envevitable of Iran having a nuke, attempting to impose environmental regs on China, running the vast majority of strikes against ISIS and slapping Putin when he is saber rattling while Europeans are too scared of losing cheap energy to do much? Anyone in favor of Keystone is either in the pockets of the oil industry or is ignorant of the facts. It does nothing for the US. It creates little if any new jobs (read independent reports, not oil funded ones), it's basically giving a foreign corporation eminent domain, and I believe the US won't see a drop of the oil it transports. Don't blame Obama for under funding Vets, look no further than your Senator or Congress person. And maybe the increase in usage of social safety nets has more to do with a combination of stagnant wages and the recession. See conservative views on minimum wage and wall street/corporate deregulation... All that was off the top of my head. Being on my phone, and having put in a 10 hour day today I don't have time to fact check the rest of your statements but I wouldn't doubt if they are wrong/misguided as well. Please educate yourself and stop being a victim of the "conservative" echo chamber. Your modern "conservative" law maker is shockingly far from conservative in the policies they enact or vote for. Obamas actions have either been inline with previous "conservative" actions or neutral at worst. 1 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 You're number 1 is a fallicy. Obama has barely move the preverbial needle on the right/left meter. In fact he's pretty damn neutral. If he or Repubs were capable of working with each other he might be viewed in a favorable light on both sides even with his past legislation. Wow, you are really going on record stating that Obama has not put in place policies that have moved the needle? For starters, Obamacare, even though I know it's not the liberal utopia of universal health care, is a shift to the left in that it involves government mandates in the health insurance arena. It also was passed without any realistic plan on how the new entitlement would be funded, and thus will continue to add to the national debt. Obama's foreign policy is definitely not a center-right one where the US leads the world on many key issues. He's signed executive action favoring environmentalists, while also blocking the passage of the Keystone pipeline. He's underfunded our nations Vets while expanding use of food stamps and welfare in general. Food stamp usage is at an all time high under Obama. Also, the number of Americans that have fallen out of the labor force and are more likely to be dependent upon the government has reached an all-time high. A center-right nation is one aspiring for limited government, and just about every action Obama has taken has been just the opposite. Food stamps usage is at an all time high because of the economy, not because Obama changed anything about how it's funded. Obama changed nothing about it (as far as I know - I'm not 100% sure on this). What I do know is that it has received cuts (to how much each family can receive). So blame him for the economy, if you want. As far as the pipeline, I just fail to see why it's considered conservative to do something that risks damaging the environment. I know that it is considered conservative, but it makes no sense to me. The risks outweigh the advantage. The oil's going to China, FFS. I wouldn't be surprised if I learned that the money involved in trying to get it implemented actually comes straight from China. 4 Link to comment
HuskerNation1 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 You're number 1 is a fallicy. Obama has barely move the preverbial needle on the right/left meter. In fact he's pretty damn neutral. If he or Repubs were capable of working with each other he might be viewed in a favorable light on both sides even with his past legislation. Wow, you are really going on record stating that Obama has not put in place policies that have moved the needle? For starters, Obamacare, even though I know it's not the liberal utopia of universal health care, is a shift to the left in that it involves government mandates in the health insurance arena. It also was passed without any realistic plan on how the new entitlement would be funded, and thus will continue to add to the national debt. Obama's foreign policy is definitely not a center-right one where the US leads the world on many key issues. He's signed executive action favoring environmentalists, while also blocking the passage of the Keystone pipeline. He's underfunded our nations Vets while expanding use of food stamps and welfare in general. Food stamp usage is at an all time high under Obama. Also, the number of Americans that have fallen out of the labor force and are more likely to be dependent upon the government has reached an all-time high. A center-right nation is one aspiring for limited government, and just about every action Obama has taken has been just the opposite. If government mandates in health care is such an extreme liberal thought then why did the Republicans first come up with the idea? You can continue to extrapolate what a handful of Senators discussed in the early 90s as being representative of the Conservative/GOP platform, but you know that is intellectually dishonest. That is like me saying that Democrats are against gay marriage because Obama and Hillary and many other Democratic leaders were against that in the past. Also, most GOP ideas I have seen have not called for a mandate, and have called for a pure market based solution that involves portability across state lines, thus tearing down many state regulations. The Dems know Obamacare was a mistake, and their only cop out is to state that it is what the right truly wanted. LMAO Link to comment
ZRod Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 You're number 1 is a fallicy. Obama has barely move the preverbial needle on the right/left meter. In fact he's pretty damn neutral. If he or Repubs were capable of working with each other he might be viewed in a favorable light on both sides even with his past legislation. Wow, you are really going on record stating that Obama has not put in place policies that have moved the needle? For starters, Obamacare, even though I know it's not the liberal utopia of universal health care, is a shift to the left in that it involves government mandates in the health insurance arena. It also was passed without any realistic plan on how the new entitlement would be funded, and thus will continue to add to the national debt. Obama's foreign policy is definitely not a center-right one where the US leads the world on many key issues. He's signed executive action favoring environmentalists, while also blocking the passage of the Keystone pipeline. He's underfunded our nations Vets while expanding use of food stamps and welfare in general. Food stamp usage is at an all time high under Obama. Also, the number of Americans that have fallen out of the labor force and are more likely to be dependent upon the government has reached an all-time high. A center-right nation is one aspiring for limited government, and just about every action Obama has taken has been just the opposite. If government mandates in health care is such an extreme liberal thought then why did the Republicans first come up with the idea? You can continue to extrapolate what a handful of Senators discussed in the early 90s as being representative of the Conservative/GOP platform, but you know that is intellectually dishonest. That is like me saying that Democrats are against gay marriage because Obama and Hillary and many other Democratic leaders were against that in the past. Also, most GOP ideas I have seen have not called for a mandate, and have called for a pure market based solution that involves portability across state lines, thus tearing down many state regulations. The Dems know Obamacare was a mistake, and their only cop out is to state that it is what the right truly wanted. LMAO It's not what anyone truly wanted, but it's probably better than the do nothing alternative. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 You're number 1 is a fallicy. Obama has barely move the preverbial needle on the right/left meter. In fact he's pretty damn neutral. If he or Repubs were capable of working with each other he might be viewed in a favorable light on both sides even with his past legislation. Wow, you are really going on record stating that Obama has not put in place policies that have moved the needle? For starters, Obamacare, even though I know it's not the liberal utopia of universal health care, is a shift to the left in that it involves government mandates in the health insurance arena. It also was passed without any realistic plan on how the new entitlement would be funded, and thus will continue to add to the national debt. Obama's foreign policy is definitely not a center-right one where the US leads the world on many key issues. He's signed executive action favoring environmentalists, while also blocking the passage of the Keystone pipeline. He's underfunded our nations Vets while expanding use of food stamps and welfare in general. Food stamp usage is at an all time high under Obama. Also, the number of Americans that have fallen out of the labor force and are more likely to be dependent upon the government has reached an all-time high. A center-right nation is one aspiring for limited government, and just about every action Obama has taken has been just the opposite. If government mandates in health care is such an extreme liberal thought then why did the Republicans first come up with the idea? You can continue to extrapolate what a handful of Senators discussed in the early 90s as being representative of the Conservative/GOP platform, but you know that is intellectually dishonest. That is like me saying that Democrats are against gay marriage because Obama and Hillary and many other Democratic leaders were against that in the past. Also, most GOP ideas I have seen have not called for a mandate, and have called for a pure market based solution that involves portability across state lines, thus tearing down many state regulations. The Dems know Obamacare was a mistake, and their only cop out is to state that it is what the right truly wanted. LMAO OK...if you want to fall for the agenda propaganda. a) At the time this was proposed "by a handful of Republican representatives" did the GOP/Republican/conservative establishment go bonkers claiming these "handful of representatives" were socialists liberal extremists hell bent on ruining our way of life and everything that is good in America? No....in fact, it was sold to us as a mandate making these free loading people who go don't buy health insurance but then go to the emergency room for everything pay their fair share. If you deny that didn't happen then you are either too young to remember or in denial. b) Has anyone on the right in the conservative movement given ANY alternative other than this? I haven't seen any. Is there any? The fact is, conservatives are screwed on this issue. Every single alternative to sky rocketing health care costs involves government involvement but every time that is brought up the tea partiers scream and holler about growing government, government take over of private industry, socialism, evil horrible people on the left who want to ruin our way of life...bla bla bla..... 1 Link to comment
Whistlebritches Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 The only option that I've really seen was the idea of allowing us to purchase insurance from different states. Basically, less regulation. It does nothing to address the problem of millions without insurance. http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/05/11/will-buying-health-insurance-across-state-lines-reduce-costs/ Link to comment
HuskerNation1 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 You're number 1 is a fallicy. Obama has barely move the preverbial needle on the right/left meter. In fact he's pretty damn neutral. If he or Repubs were capable of working with each other he might be viewed in a favorable light on both sides even with his past legislation. Wow, you are really going on record stating that Obama has not put in place policies that have moved the needle? For starters, Obamacare, even though I know it's not the liberal utopia of universal health care, is a shift to the left in that it involves government mandates in the health insurance arena. It also was passed without any realistic plan on how the new entitlement would be funded, and thus will continue to add to the national debt. Obama's foreign policy is definitely not a center-right one where the US leads the world on many key issues. He's signed executive action favoring environmentalists, while also blocking the passage of the Keystone pipeline. He's underfunded our nations Vets while expanding use of food stamps and welfare in general. Food stamp usage is at an all time high under Obama. Also, the number of Americans that have fallen out of the labor force and are more likely to be dependent upon the government has reached an all-time high. A center-right nation is one aspiring for limited government, and just about every action Obama has taken has been just the opposite. If government mandates in health care is such an extreme liberal thought then why did the Republicans first come up with the idea? You can continue to extrapolate what a handful of Senators discussed in the early 90s as being representative of the Conservative/GOP platform, but you know that is intellectually dishonest. That is like me saying that Democrats are against gay marriage because Obama and Hillary and many other Democratic leaders were against that in the past. Also, most GOP ideas I have seen have not called for a mandate, and have called for a pure market based solution that involves portability across state lines, thus tearing down many state regulations. The Dems know Obamacare was a mistake, and their only cop out is to state that it is what the right truly wanted. LMAO OK...if you want to fall for the agenda propaganda. a) At the time this was proposed "by a handful of Republican representatives" did the GOP/Republican/conservative establishment go bonkers claiming these "handful of representatives" were socialists liberal extremists hell bent on ruining our way of life and everything that is good in America? No....in fact, it was sold to us as a mandate making these free loading people who go don't buy health insurance but then go to the emergency room for everything pay their fair share. If you deny that didn't happen then you are either too young to remember or in denial. b) Has anyone on the right in the conservative movement given ANY alternative other than this? I haven't seen any. Is there any? The fact is, conservatives are screwed on this issue. Every single alternative to sky rocketing health care costs involves government involvement but every time that is brought up the tea partiers scream and holler about growing government, government take over of private industry, socialism, evil horrible people on the left who want to ruin our way of life...bla bla bla..... Wow, you truly do see things through a leftist partisan lens. First, there is no right to have insurance. It's not part of our bill of rights, and the notion that every person has a right to insurance, cell phones, free education, or whatever the left is putting out is unfounded in our Constitution. Please point me to where the Constitution states that this is a right for all citizens. Second, no matter how you try to claim that the GOP is screwed, you are wrong. The Dems own this mess and will for a long time. They promised that the bill would allow individuals already with insurance would keep their doctor, and that it would lower health care costs. Guess what...health care costs are still rising. The ACA did nothing to address tort reform and some of the core reasons costs are soaring. 1 Link to comment
ZRod Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 BRB is probably the most open minded conservative on this board! You sir are outrageous. Link to comment
HuskerNation1 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 BRB is probably the most open minded conservative on this board! You sir are outrageous. Wow, that was a great comeback. I'll have to use that one sometime. Link to comment
ZRod Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 BRB is probably the most open minded conservative on this board! You sir are outrageous. Wow, that was a great comeback. I'll have to use that one sometime. Feel free to use it after you actually address people's rebuttles and stop being divisive by throwing around unfounded labels and right wing rhetoric. Link to comment
HuskerNation1 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 BRB is probably the most open minded conservative on this board! You sir are outrageous. Wow, that was a great comeback. I'll have to use that one sometime. Feel free to use it after you actually address people's rebuttles and stop being divisive by throwing around unfounded labels and right wing rhetoric. Well, if the last comments I replied to had actual facts to respond to, I would gladly reply to them. Instead, the insinuation was made that Republicans really wanted Obamacare and that Conservatives are screwed on the Health Care topic. I'm not buying that BRB is a Conservative based upon the many posts I have seen. I've been in forums like this where somebody claims to be of one ideology, yet somehow 80% of what they say suggests otherwise. Do you really think that my response was any more or less fact-based that BRB's insinutation that Conservatives are screwed on Health Care. That's pure opinion, and he's entitled to it, but suggesting it's somehow a "founded" argument is absurd. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 You're right, my comment that republicans are screwed is my opinion. I could agree with you that they aren't but then we would both be wrong. They are screwed because they have not offered one viable alternative other than one back in the 90s that is amazingly similar to the one that republicans now are claiming is unconstitutional and installed by a tyrannical anti American Muslim. Now, THAT is fact. You can deny it all you want but....then once again you would be wrong. Now....please explain what option the republicans have offered. Or, are you saying the previous status quo is what we should go back to? You can claim I'm liberal all you want....everyone on here is just going to laugh at your comment and not take you serious. A conservative doesn't have to fall for every line of BS the republicans feed them. I have chosen to leave the Republican Party not because I'm a liberal but because I could no longer support that disaster of a party. Political party affiliation is different than individual political views. The sooner people realize that the better. 3 Link to comment
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