The Repub Debate

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Michelle Kosinski

 

 

Crappy pic of her ^^^.

 

[BigRedBuster]

 

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She could use a little meat on her bones too, I guess. Beautiful face, though.

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Rebecca Berg, up and comer.

 

[TGHusker]

but or maybe This was probably the best 'get off topic tangent I've seen. Thanks Corn and BRB for the entertainment. I think you can continue the discussion on the SKIN forum.

You also had me rolling over on the discussion of the lotion. Great job.

 

Back to the debate, I don't support Bush, but he seemed to put his man pants on last night wtout Trump in the room. He did a good job. I don't think Cruz or Rubio helped themselves. As usual Carson was ignored but seemed the most sincere - again. Chris Christi's closing remark started wt this again "On 911 my wife was 2 blocks from the WTC..." and I about puked ... MEH so tired of his I think at this time he is campaigning for attorney general. Fear mongering at its best; Kasich did ok and may be running for VP. Last night helped him in NH I think.

Rubio had his standard strong foreign affairs stance but he is beginning to sound so scripted. Rand Paul - I like him I think in ways that maybe Corn likes Sanders - he is the anti big corporation, anti big bank, anti-wasteful big military interventionist guy in the race and he is also anti-big govt (which Sanders isn't of course ) I think I would be comfortable wt Rand Paul.

 

I enjoyed not having to listen to Trump. Cruz's line was great at the beginning.

“I’m a maniac, and everyone on this stage is stupid fat and ugly and Ben you’re a terrible surgeon. Now that we’ve gotten the Donald Trump portion out of the way…”

 

 

I'm tired of the Trump entertainment parade in this election. He is not a conservative, he is not religious, he is not a constitutionist even though he is playing those cards and the gullible are picking them up. He is a progressive, populist espousing nationalistic rhetoric but not conservative policy. It has shown me how too much of the electorate is 'unthinking' - a fraction deep and a mile wide. Then you get opportunists Huckabee and Santorium hitching their failed candidacies to Trump's wagon by going to his event. Brown nosing their way to VP consideration on a Trump ticket. I'm not surprised by Huckabee doing it but I am by Santorium doing it. I thought he had more principles than that.

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Exsqueeze me? I beg your jargon?

 

Rand Paul = Libertarian = fascists. That's all ye need to know. He seems like a nice fascist, though. Flat tax is bad juju....

[TGHusker]

Exsqueeze me? I beg your jargon?

 

Rand Paul = Libertarian = fascists. That's all ye need to know. He seems like a nice fascist, though. Flat tax is bad juju....

I don't see the Libertarian link wt fascists. Libertarian at its core has a 'live and let live' attitude. Please explain your thinking. I do see the potential wt Trump however. Flat tax or Fair tax - both have some potential pluses but both could be abusive if not implemented in a fair way. The current tax system is full of abuses, loop holes and needs to be scrapped or greatly overhauled. Yes, it would be difficult for Sanders to live wt a flat tax with his proposals unless the flat had multiple levels of % without the current loopholes. I guess you would call that a progressive flat tax - kind of an oxymoron

[Danny Bateman]

Meh, Megyn Kelly is quite alright. I like the new hair, personally. Her jaw looks a little pointy in that photo above. She'd better not talk, if anything were to be going on... her verbalizing much of anything is a turn off for me.

 

Saw that Berg chick on CNN yesterday. Googled her, couldn't decide if I thought she was hot or not. Pictures seemed to vary a bit too me... but I'm gonna say yes!

 

Third chick isn't bad at all either! I've always thought Robin Meade and Brooke Baldwin on CNN and HLN are pretty smokin, personally.

 

 

Anywho, now that I've sufficiently re-bogged the thread down (damnit, it's a politics thread, it needed livening up!), here's my read on the debate:

 

• Everyone seemed more relaxed with Trump off the stage last night. Particularly, Bush seemed more relaxed since he wasn't getting hammered every other question by Trump. He actually seemed like he was on last night, not that it is going to matter much now.
• Carson once again looked like he was barely conscious onstage. I swear he talks like my dad when he's trying to explain something to me whilst falling asleep. He got roasted on foreign policy again.
• It's evident how much the rest of the field hates Cruz. That's pretty much my read on him based on everything I've read, heard, or seen-- everyone at every level he's worked/studied has hated him because he's fiercely smart but an arrogant prick
• Rubio and Christie just LOVE to appeal to the base by laying into Obama and Hillary. I laugh whenever Rubio declares she's "disqualified."
• Once again, Rand Paul seemed like the most level-headed guy up there that would probably appeal to most moderates.
• I thought Ted's attempt at a joke was OK, it was clear that crowd disliked him. I wish he would've included Megyn Kelly in his Trump impression.

If I had to vote Pub, I'd probably go for Paul. Jeb or Rubio would be options too, but I disagree with some of their other policies pretty strongly.

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Exsqueeze me? I beg your jargon?

 

Rand Paul = Libertarian = fascists. That's all ye need to know. He seems like a nice fascist, though. Flat tax is bad juju....

I don't see the Libertarian link wt fascists. Libertarian at its core has a 'live and let live' attitude. Please explain your thinking. I do see the potential wt Trump however. Flat tax or Fair tax - both have some potential pluses but both could be abusive if not implemented in a fair way. The current tax system is full of abuses, loop holes and needs to be scrapped or greatly overhauled. Yes, it would be difficult for Sanders to live wt a flat tax with his proposals unless the flat had multiple levels of % without the current loopholes. I guess you would call that a progressive flat tax - kind of an oxymoron

 

 

The flat tax has some variations, but when tried, has been shown to not deliver the goods. The main problem is that it doesn't generate enough revenue for gov't operations/services and therefore the gov't has to borrow even more $ than it already does from the various central banks--like, say, the IMF--thereby exacerbating the deficit/debt. In conjunction with this, it creates a trend toward cutting necessary public services(to save $)--e.g., schools, roads, infrastructure--in the name of "austerity". Flat tax proposals had been implemented in Russia and vaious Eastern European countries the last few decades and are, FTMP, being abandoned in favor of the good ol' progressive tax methodologies( http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-05-15/flat-tax-wave-ebbs-in-eastern-europe). Flat taxes definitely shift the burden away from the rich toward the middle and working classes and Rand Paul's proposal of eliminating the payroll tax, though it sounds good, well, adds to the revenue shortfalls--Social Security, in particular. In short, it doesn't raise enough cash. I think ILL, for e.g., tried a flat tax at one point and abandoned it. Flat tax proponents, like Republican capitalists, also say supply side, trickle down economics will provide all the jobs, but in fact, that has never been the case as they don't supply enough jobs and they tend to destroy as many jobs("downsize") as they create with a net result of ~0 job creation.

 

As to Libertarianism. Rand Paul is named after Ayn Rand since Ron Paul is a Libertarian and likes Ayn Rand and Ayn Rand was a major influence on Libertarianism--that is, the heavy emphasis on "individualism" and raw, laissez faire(free market) capitalism, private property "rights" and the so-called "non aggression principal" or "voluntarianism". Libertarianism also draws from the Ludwig Von Mises Austrian school of economics which was somewhat in symbioses with the 20th century European fascist States(Italy, Germany, Spain).

 

First of all, w/o going thru tedious elaboration, capitalism, in and of itself, has inherent violence and social inequality built in: namely, violence toward the working class. I give examples of the slave systems and various Labor wars and imperialistic wars that have existed, representing violence within the system. So, there goes the so-called "non-aggression" principle or "free association" out the window. Sure, the working class person can choose not to rent himself out to the capitalist with 2 options thereof: starve or try and become a capitalist. I'll leave it to you to contemplate and research these realities further.

 

Secondly, Libertarianism advocates the smallest gov't possible: namely, the provision of legislation and security protection for the capitalists only with little to no public services. Well, that is fascism--as defined by Mussolini--the merger of private capitalism with enough State apparatus to protect it's function only. Privatize everything. "Il fascismo e il corporatismo".

 

The reality is, that "free market" capitalism has never really existed--especially for the very rich. In the early years of British capitalism, for e.g., laissez faire was experimented with but, due to the inherent instability of capitalism--namely, that it keeps over saturating it's markets and "collapsing"(boom and bust cycle)--the experiment was abandoned in favor of various State interventions in the form of subsidization and protectionism. The trend has continued ever since, such that it is often said that capitalism needs socialism to stabilize it, to cover the costs and bail it out. The research and development of modern advanced industries in pretty much exclusively subsidized by the State--i.e., the Public tax $(see, Pentagon system). So, the modern form of so-called capitalism is actually a combination of socialized costs, socialized bail outs, and privatized profits. That is, the very rich investor class doesn't pay for anything but get to keep all the cash. Free market capitalism does somewhat exist, however, for the "little guy". That is, mom and pop have to generate the start up $ for their small biz and if they fail, well, they are sh#t out of luck, no bail outs for mom or pop. No bailouts for the working class either.

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Meh, Megyn Kelly is quite alright. I like the new hair, personally. Her jaw looks a little pointy in that photo above. She'd better not talk, if anything were to be going on... her verbalizing much of anything is a turn off for me.

 

Saw that Berg chick on CNN yesterday. Googled her, couldn't decide if I thought she was hot or not. Pictures seemed to vary a bit too me... but I'm gonna say yes!

 

Third chick isn't bad at all either! I've always thought Robin Meade and Brooke Baldwin on CNN and HLN are pretty smokin, personally.

 

VVVVVV

 

Robin's pretty cool. Brooke, meh, she's one of the more boring broadcasters, IMO.

 

Suzzane Malveaux used to bwe my fav back when she was covering Georgey Dubya, but I think she started eating too many calzones over recent years:

 

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After

 

 

[BigRedBuster]

 

Exsqueeze me? I beg your jargon?

 

Rand Paul = Libertarian = fascists. That's all ye need to know. He seems like a nice fascist, though. Flat tax is bad juju....

I don't see the Libertarian link wt fascists. Libertarian at its core has a 'live and let live' attitude. Please explain your thinking. I do see the potential wt Trump however. Flat tax or Fair tax - both have some potential pluses but both could be abusive if not implemented in a fair way. The current tax system is full of abuses, loop holes and needs to be scrapped or greatly overhauled. Yes, it would be difficult for Sanders to live wt a flat tax with his proposals unless the flat had multiple levels of % without the current loopholes. I guess you would call that a progressive flat tax - kind of an oxymoron

 

Come on TG.....you should know by now. Anyone who isn't as liberal as Bernie is a fascist.

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Exsqueeze me? I beg your jargon?

 

Rand Paul = Libertarian = fascists. That's all ye need to know. He seems like a nice fascist, though. Flat tax is bad juju....

I don't see the Libertarian link wt fascists. Libertarian at its core has a 'live and let live' attitude. Please explain your thinking. I do see the potential wt Trump however. Flat tax or Fair tax - both have some potential pluses but both could be abusive if not implemented in a fair way. The current tax system is full of abuses, loop holes and needs to be scrapped or greatly overhauled. Yes, it would be difficult for Sanders to live wt a flat tax with his proposals unless the flat had multiple levels of % without the current loopholes. I guess you would call that a progressive flat tax - kind of an oxymoron

 

Come on TG.....you should know by now. Anyone who isn't as liberal as Bernie is a fascist.

 

Hey Skippy, been meaning to axt ya, how goes the ex-patriotization plans? You promised, er, threatened, er, suggested to us a few months back that if Billary or Bernie gets into office, y'all is gonna leave good ol' Mur'ca and set up in some Caribbean banana republic or somethin'. I sez it's a done deal, start packin'.

 

Anyway, tonight's the night, can you feel the excitement? Across the state of LOLwa, virgin delegates are poised and assuming a position to receive growing and expanding "caucuses" in what promises to be a hard fought contest, stroking the concerns of the Nation.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

Exsqueeze me? I beg your jargon?

 

Rand Paul = Libertarian = fascists. That's all ye need to know. He seems like a nice fascist, though. Flat tax is bad juju....

I don't see the Libertarian link wt fascists. Libertarian at its core has a 'live and let live' attitude. Please explain your thinking. I do see the potential wt Trump however. Flat tax or Fair tax - both have some potential pluses but both could be abusive if not implemented in a fair way. The current tax system is full of abuses, loop holes and needs to be scrapped or greatly overhauled. Yes, it would be difficult for Sanders to live wt a flat tax with his proposals unless the flat had multiple levels of % without the current loopholes. I guess you would call that a progressive flat tax - kind of an oxymoron

 

Come on TG.....you should know by now. Anyone who isn't as liberal as Bernie is a fascist.

 

Hey Skippy, been meaning to axt ya, how goes the ex-patriotization plans? You promised, er, threatened, er, suggested to us a few months back that if Billary or Bernie gets into office, y'all is gonna leave good ol' Mur'ca and set up in some Caribbean banana republic or somethin'. I sez it's a done deal, start packin'.

 

Anyway, tonight's the night, can you feel the excitement? Across the state of LOLwa, virgin delegates are poised and assuming a position to receive growing and expanding "caucuses" it what promises to be a hard fought contest, stroking the concerns of the Nation.

 

You'll have to remind me on this one.

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Exsqueeze me? I beg your jargon?

 

Rand Paul = Libertarian = fascists. That's all ye need to know. He seems like a nice fascist, though. Flat tax is bad juju....

I don't see the Libertarian link wt fascists. Libertarian at its core has a 'live and let live' attitude. Please explain your thinking. I do see the potential wt Trump however. Flat tax or Fair tax - both have some potential pluses but both could be abusive if not implemented in a fair way. The current tax system is full of abuses, loop holes and needs to be scrapped or greatly overhauled. Yes, it would be difficult for Sanders to live wt a flat tax with his proposals unless the flat had multiple levels of % without the current loopholes. I guess you would call that a progressive flat tax - kind of an oxymoron

 

Come on TG.....you should know by now. Anyone who isn't as liberal as Bernie is a fascist.

 

Hey Skippy, been meaning to axt ya, how goes the ex-patriotization plans? You promised, er, threatened, er, suggested to us a few months back that if Billary or Bernie gets into office, y'all is gonna leave good ol' Mur'ca and set up in some Caribbean banana republic or somethin'. I sez it's a done deal, start packin'.

 

Anyway, tonight's the night, can you feel the excitement? Across the state of LOLwa, virgin delegates are poised and assuming a position to receive growing and expanding "caucuses" it what promises to be a hard fought contest, stroking the concerns of the Nation.

 

You'll have to remind me on this one.

 

A few months back, you said, "If a Dem gets into office, I'm movin' outta the country," or something to that effect.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

 

 

Exsqueeze me? I beg your jargon?

 

Rand Paul = Libertarian = fascists. That's all ye need to know. He seems like a nice fascist, though. Flat tax is bad juju....

I don't see the Libertarian link wt fascists. Libertarian at its core has a 'live and let live' attitude. Please explain your thinking. I do see the potential wt Trump however. Flat tax or Fair tax - both have some potential pluses but both could be abusive if not implemented in a fair way. The current tax system is full of abuses, loop holes and needs to be scrapped or greatly overhauled. Yes, it would be difficult for Sanders to live wt a flat tax with his proposals unless the flat had multiple levels of % without the current loopholes. I guess you would call that a progressive flat tax - kind of an oxymoron

 

Come on TG.....you should know by now. Anyone who isn't as liberal as Bernie is a fascist.

 

Hey Skippy, been meaning to axt ya, how goes the ex-patriotization plans? You promised, er, threatened, er, suggested to us a few months back that if Billary or Bernie gets into office, y'all is gonna leave good ol' Mur'ca and set up in some Caribbean banana republic or somethin'. I sez it's a done deal, start packin'.

 

Anyway, tonight's the night, can you feel the excitement? Across the state of LOLwa, virgin delegates are poised and assuming a position to receive growing and expanding "caucuses" it what promises to be a hard fought contest, stroking the concerns of the Nation.

 

You'll have to remind me on this one.

 

A few months back, you said, "If a Dem gets into office, I'm movin' outta the country," or something to that effect.

 

You'll have to find the post. Don't remember ever saying that.