The Repub Debate

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

Trump on the Today show 'town hall' said he would act 'so presidential that it would be boring'. What a con artist. You know as anti socialist as I am (sorry corn - can't / won't go there) I'd just as soon vote for Bernie than Trump just because wt Bernie I know what I'm getting and I think his intentions are honest if not misguided in several areas (yes I can support some of his ideas - I'll throw a bone to Corn for that one )

Trump goes on to say that he thinks it is ok for men (transgender - or those who may feel like a girl) to use the girls bathroom. Someone can start a new thread on that idea if they so desire but lets remain on topic -

 

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Trump-Presidential-bathroom-bill-transgender/2016/04/21/id/725087/

This is a part of this that absolutely drives me crazy.

 

He actually admits he changes with what ever the time requires. The guy is totally fake and so many people just eat it up.

 

Used to be a liberal Democrat...now running as a Republican.

Claims to "love the bible" then......two Corinthians.....

Acts like an ass but then says he will act Presidential when the time comes.

 

The list could go on and on.

 

Calls Rubio Little Marco now wants him to be a part of his team!

 

 

So Marco spends an entire debate trying to bash on Trump, and he's not supposed to do anything about it?

 

Yes, his style is demeaning, but it's also effective. We saw him hammer Jeb Bush into submission, and he's pretty much having his way with Ted Cruz as well (not that bashing Cruz is difficult). You can't run a business OR a country trying to tip-toe around and please everyone.

 

And, that's what absolutely baffles me. It's effective but for illogical reasons. It's not because he speaks more intelligently about the issues or that he shows he would be somehow a better President.

 

But, for some reason, there are enough people that love seeing him be an immature ass.

 

What conceivable reason does him being demeaning to everyone involved make him a good choice for President while he doesn't even ever speak on issues?

[HuskerShark]

 

 

 

 

Trump on the Today show 'town hall' said he would act 'so presidential that it would be boring'. What a con artist. You know as anti socialist as I am (sorry corn - can't / won't go there) I'd just as soon vote for Bernie than Trump just because wt Bernie I know what I'm getting and I think his intentions are honest if not misguided in several areas (yes I can support some of his ideas - I'll throw a bone to Corn for that one )

Trump goes on to say that he thinks it is ok for men (transgender - or those who may feel like a girl) to use the girls bathroom. Someone can start a new thread on that idea if they so desire but lets remain on topic -

 

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Trump-Presidential-bathroom-bill-transgender/2016/04/21/id/725087/

This is a part of this that absolutely drives me crazy.

 

He actually admits he changes with what ever the time requires. The guy is totally fake and so many people just eat it up.

 

Used to be a liberal Democrat...now running as a Republican.

Claims to "love the bible" then......two Corinthians.....

Acts like an ass but then says he will act Presidential when the time comes.

 

The list could go on and on.

 

Calls Rubio Little Marco now wants him to be a part of his team!

 

 

So Marco spends an entire debate trying to bash on Trump, and he's not supposed to do anything about it?

 

Yes, his style is demeaning, but it's also effective. We saw him hammer Jeb Bush into submission, and he's pretty much having his way with Ted Cruz as well (not that bashing Cruz is difficult). You can't run a business OR a country trying to tip-toe around and please everyone.

 

And, that's what absolutely baffles me. It's effective but for illogical reasons. It's not because he speaks more intelligently about the issues or that he shows he would be somehow a better President.

 

But, for some reason, there are enough people that love seeing him be an immature ass.

 

What conceivable reason does him being demeaning to everyone involved make him a good choice for President while he doesn't even ever speak on issues?

 

 

It's not THE REASON, but it helps because it shows that if he wants to make something happen, he's not going to back down. A couple of the largest sources of our most major problems in the US (the economy) are discrepancies in trade with other countries, companies taking jobs overseas, and illegal immigration. For these problems, Trump is not only the guy who plans to deal with them as the foundation of his campaign, but he's the only one who even mentions the truth behind these problems.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

 

 

Trump on the Today show 'town hall' said he would act 'so presidential that it would be boring'. What a con artist. You know as anti socialist as I am (sorry corn - can't / won't go there) I'd just as soon vote for Bernie than Trump just because wt Bernie I know what I'm getting and I think his intentions are honest if not misguided in several areas (yes I can support some of his ideas - I'll throw a bone to Corn for that one )

Trump goes on to say that he thinks it is ok for men (transgender - or those who may feel like a girl) to use the girls bathroom. Someone can start a new thread on that idea if they so desire but lets remain on topic -

 

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Trump-Presidential-bathroom-bill-transgender/2016/04/21/id/725087/

This is a part of this that absolutely drives me crazy.

 

He actually admits he changes with what ever the time requires. The guy is totally fake and so many people just eat it up.

 

Used to be a liberal Democrat...now running as a Republican.

Claims to "love the bible" then......two Corinthians.....

Acts like an ass but then says he will act Presidential when the time comes.

 

The list could go on and on.

 

Calls Rubio Little Marco now wants him to be a part of his team!

 

 

So Marco spends an entire debate trying to bash on Trump, and he's not supposed to do anything about it?

 

Yes, his style is demeaning, but it's also effective. We saw him hammer Jeb Bush into submission, and he's pretty much having his way with Ted Cruz as well (not that bashing Cruz is difficult). You can't run a business OR a country trying to tip-toe around and please everyone.

 

And, that's what absolutely baffles me. It's effective but for illogical reasons. It's not because he speaks more intelligently about the issues or that he shows he would be somehow a better President.

 

But, for some reason, there are enough people that love seeing him be an immature ass.

 

What conceivable reason does him being demeaning to everyone involved make him a good choice for President while he doesn't even ever speak on issues?

 

 

It's not THE REASON, but it helps because it shows that if he wants to make something happen, he's not going to back down. A couple of the largest sources of our most major problems in the US (the economy) are discrepancies in trade with other countries, companies taking jobs overseas, and illegal immigration. For these problems, Trump is not only the guy who plans to deal with them as the foundation of his campaign, but he's the only one who even mentions the truth behind these problems.

 

That's seriously what you take from his worn out act?

 

And...interestingly....the rest of your post spells out that this IS the reason why you and others are going to vote for him.

[Danny Bateman]

It's no secret that Trump backers crave his particular brand of authoritarianism. The funny thing is, as a liberal, I don't view Trump as particularly threatening or powerful. I view him as an incredibly brash and boisterous asshat, but not a particularly good leader. I don't think being loud, having bluster, or being unafraid of being politically incorrect denotes that one is an adequate leader.

 

Shark, you're toting his ability to address the economy as a fundamental part of his platform. What do you make of this?

 

Trump presidency rated among top 10 global risks

 

 

 

 

The EIU ranking uses a scale of one to 25, with Mr Trump garnering a rating of 12, the same level of risk as "the rising threat of jihadi terrorism destabilising the global economy".

[HuskerShark]

 

It's no secret that Trump backers crave his particular brand of authoritarianism. The funny thing is, as a liberal, I don't view Trump as particularly threatening or powerful. I view him as an incredibly brash and boisterous asshat, but not a particularly good leader. I don't think being loud, having bluster, or being unafraid of being politically incorrect denotes that one is an adequate leader.

 

Shark, you're toting his ability to address the economy as a fundamental part of his platform. What do you make of this?

 

Trump presidency rated among top 10 global risks

 

 

 

 

The EIU ranking uses a scale of one to 25, with Mr Trump garnering a rating of 12, the same level of risk as "the rising threat of jihadi terrorism destabilising the global economy".

 

 

I kind of laugh out loud because it's ridiculous. That's what I make of it.

 

I've said before, I think if/when Trump gets in the White House, some of his moves will make people uncomfortable in the short term because in general, people are scared of change.

[Moiraine]

Trump's "not backing down" would cause an economic crisis if he got elected. Awful things would happen. Too many people think we're so powerful that our economy wouldn't be affected if we just halted trade with a bunch of countries. We don't have the leverage he or his followers think we have.

[HuskerShark]

Trump's "not backing down" would cause an economic crisis if he got elected. Awful things would happen. Too many people think we're so powerful that our economy wouldn't be affected if we just halted trade with a bunch of countries. We don't have the leverage he or his followers think we have.

So the solution is to let ourselves get screwed over by other countries in trade deficits? Yeah, ok...

[Moiraine]

 

Trump's "not backing down" would cause an economic crisis if he got elected. Awful things would happen. Too many people think we're so powerful that our economy wouldn't be affected if we just halted trade with a bunch of countries. We don't have the leverage he or his followers think we have.

So the solution is to let ourselves get screwed over by other countries in trade deficits? Yeah, ok...

 

 

The status quo is far better than what would happen with Trump trying to make things better. He's shown no sign of being able to use diplomacy, and several country's leaders have flat out told him no already and basically called him a nutjob. What's he going to threaten China with if they don't want to deal with North Korea on their own? Because that's all he's shown he knows how to do, threaten.

[teachercd]

 

It's no secret that Trump backers crave his particular brand of authoritarianism. The funny thing is, as a liberal, I don't view Trump as particularly threatening or powerful. I view him as an incredibly brash and boisterous asshat, but not a particularly good leader. I don't think being loud, having bluster, or being unafraid of being politically incorrect denotes that one is an adequate leader.

 

Shark, you're toting his ability to address the economy as a fundamental part of his platform. What do you make of this?

 

Trump presidency rated among top 10 global risks

 

 

 

 

 

The EIU ranking uses a scale of one to 25, with Mr Trump garnering a rating of 12, the same level of risk as "the rising threat of jihadi terrorism destabilising the global economy".[/size]

I kind of laugh out loud because it's ridiculous. That's what I make of it.

 

I've said before, I think if/when Trump gets in the White House, some of his moves will make people uncomfortable in the short term because in general, people are scared of change.

Yep!

[Danny Bateman]

Lord help us all.

Female Ted Cruz Lookalike Agrees to do Porn for $10,000

 

[VectorVictor]

All we can do is hope for is a contested convention. Trump should be on a roll next week also wt several other NE states. This is starting to look really bad Trump or Hilary as our President

Hillary - WH one big swinging door for Bill's parties and Hillary corruption. Trump: one unbearable embarrassment before the world as he tries to learn all of the things he obviously doesn't know.

The only way Trump succeeds is if he has Kasich as VP who does the actual work of the president and Trump is just the mouth piece - kind of like Chaney was for GWB.

 

If Trump gets the delegates I fully expect a contested convention, especially considering the turnaround he's doing on positions now that he's just about sewn things up. Current GOP leadership wants nothing to do with Trump, regardless of his running mate.

 

The problem is, who is the GOP going to put in there to run against Clinton? They have no one that would actually be able to capture demographic groups beyond the white, uneducated and evangelical vote anymore: Kaisch and Cruz would be lit up like a Roman Candle during a general election, Trump will alienate the remaining GOP moderates still clinging to the party in the hopes that leadership remembers they exist and polarize the country against him, Rand is too bats*** crazy to last on the campaign trail without getting full of holes, and Mitt Romney is the type of American that pretty much got our country in the mess it's in currently. Rubio was the only moderate that had any hope of salvaging any respect for the GOP and winning a general election, so naturally he was vilified and run out of the primaries on a rail.

 

The best outcome for this election is that the GOP combusts, fueled by its own derp, and two parties emerge--one for the moderate, rational former GOP members, and one where the fringe zealots, uneducated, evangelicals, and bats*** crazy can hang their hat while the rest of the grown-ups go about their business.

[NUtopia]

 

All we can do is hope for is a contested convention. Trump should be on a roll next week also wt several other NE states. This is starting to look really bad Trump or Hilary as our President

Hillary - WH one big swinging door for Bill's parties and Hillary corruption. Trump: one unbearable embarrassment before the world as he tries to learn all of the things he obviously doesn't know.

The only way Trump succeeds is if he has Kasich as VP who does the actual work of the president and Trump is just the mouth piece - kind of like Chaney was for GWB.

 

If Trump gets the delegates I fully expect a contested convention, especially considering the turnaround he's doing on positions now that he's just about sewn things up. Current GOP leadership wants nothing to do with Trump, regardless of his running mate.

 

The problem is, who is the GOP going to put in there to run against Clinton? They have no one that would actually be able to capture demographic groups beyond the white, uneducated and evangelical vote anymore: Kaisch and Cruz would be lit up like a Roman Candle during a general election, Trump will alienate the remaining GOP moderates still clinging to the party in the hopes that leadership remembers they exist and polarize the country against him, Rand is too bats*** crazy to last on the campaign trail without getting full of holes, and Mitt Romney is the type of American that pretty much got our country in the mess it's in currently. Rubio was the only moderate that had any hope of salvaging any respect for the GOP and winning a general election, so naturally he was vilified and run out of the primaries on a rail.

 

The best outcome for this election is that the GOP combusts, fueled by its own derp, and two parties emerge--one for the moderate, rational former GOP members, and one where the fringe zealots, uneducated, evangelicals, and bats*** crazy can hang their hat while the rest of the grown-ups go about their business.

 

I like this post.

 

I would like to submit, however, and this is not a criticism directed specifically @ VV, per say, but the idea that Trump followers are "uneducated" is rather demeaning/classist and largely untrue. They may mostly be un-college-educated, but instead, blue collar folk that are otherwise educated in other things, like say, the trades. Just ask your average yuppie to fix his own car or remodel his own house or repair his own frozen water pipes--for e.g.s--and it will be revealed quite directly the various types of education that are out there.

[HuskerShark]

 

All we can do is hope for is a contested convention. Trump should be on a roll next week also wt several other NE states. This is starting to look really bad Trump or Hilary as our President

Hillary - WH one big swinging door for Bill's parties and Hillary corruption. Trump: one unbearable embarrassment before the world as he tries to learn all of the things he obviously doesn't know.

The only way Trump succeeds is if he has Kasich as VP who does the actual work of the president and Trump is just the mouth piece - kind of like Chaney was for GWB.

 

If Trump gets the delegates I fully expect a contested convention, especially considering the turnaround he's doing on positions now that he's just about sewn things up. Current GOP leadership wants nothing to do with Trump, regardless of his running mate.

 

The problem is, who is the GOP going to put in there to run against Clinton? They have no one that would actually be able to capture demographic groups beyond the white, uneducated and evangelical vote anymore: Kaisch and Cruz would be lit up like a Roman Candle during a general election, Trump will alienate the remaining GOP moderates still clinging to the party in the hopes that leadership remembers they exist and polarize the country against him, Rand is too bats*** crazy to last on the campaign trail without getting full of holes, and Mitt Romney is the type of American that pretty much got our country in the mess it's in currently. Rubio was the only moderate that had any hope of salvaging any respect for the GOP and winning a general election, so naturally he was vilified and run out of the primaries on a rail.

 

The best outcome for this election is that the GOP combusts, fueled by its own derp, and two parties emerge--one for the moderate, rational former GOP members, and one where the fringe zealots, uneducated, evangelicals, and bats*** crazy can hang their hat while the rest of the grown-ups go about their business.

 

 

I have a crazy, out of this world idea... How about instead of trying to fix the nomination for or against candidates, we let the people of America cast their votes, and the person who gets the most votes wins.

 

I know it's a unique idea for American politics to do things the right way, but it's just something that popped into my head.

[NUtopia]

 

 

All we can do is hope for is a contested convention. Trump should be on a roll next week also wt several other NE states. This is starting to look really bad Trump or Hilary as our President

Hillary - WH one big swinging door for Bill's parties and Hillary corruption. Trump: one unbearable embarrassment before the world as he tries to learn all of the things he obviously doesn't know.

The only way Trump succeeds is if he has Kasich as VP who does the actual work of the president and Trump is just the mouth piece - kind of like Chaney was for GWB.

 

If Trump gets the delegates I fully expect a contested convention, especially considering the turnaround he's doing on positions now that he's just about sewn things up. Current GOP leadership wants nothing to do with Trump, regardless of his running mate.

 

The problem is, who is the GOP going to put in there to run against Clinton? They have no one that would actually be able to capture demographic groups beyond the white, uneducated and evangelical vote anymore: Kaisch and Cruz would be lit up like a Roman Candle during a general election, Trump will alienate the remaining GOP moderates still clinging to the party in the hopes that leadership remembers they exist and polarize the country against him, Rand is too bats*** crazy to last on the campaign trail without getting full of holes, and Mitt Romney is the type of American that pretty much got our country in the mess it's in currently. Rubio was the only moderate that had any hope of salvaging any respect for the GOP and winning a general election, so naturally he was vilified and run out of the primaries on a rail.

 

The best outcome for this election is that the GOP combusts, fueled by its own derp, and two parties emerge--one for the moderate, rational former GOP members, and one where the fringe zealots, uneducated, evangelicals, and bats*** crazy can hang their hat while the rest of the grown-ups go about their business.

 

 

I have a crazy, out of this world idea... How about instead of trying to fix the nomination for or against candidates, we let the people of America cast their votes, and the person who gets the most votes wins.

 

I know it's a unique idea for American politics to do things the right way, but it's just something that popped into my head.

 

That is what you would call, "direct democracy", and that's just not acceptable in American politics--the power elite won't stand for it. Direct democracy could also include asking the people to vote on small issues that effect their lives, like say, going to war, or wage and tax policy, for e.g, but again, to ask the people to actually decide such things is, again, unacceptable. Theoretically, we are supposed to choose reps who are supposed to be honest people that vote our interests for us, but since they are all on the take, lie as a matter of course, and beholden to power, well, you know....

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

All we can do is hope for is a contested convention. Trump should be on a roll next week also wt several other NE states. This is starting to look really bad Trump or Hilary as our President

Hillary - WH one big swinging door for Bill's parties and Hillary corruption. Trump: one unbearable embarrassment before the world as he tries to learn all of the things he obviously doesn't know.

The only way Trump succeeds is if he has Kasich as VP who does the actual work of the president and Trump is just the mouth piece - kind of like Chaney was for GWB.

 

If Trump gets the delegates I fully expect a contested convention, especially considering the turnaround he's doing on positions now that he's just about sewn things up. Current GOP leadership wants nothing to do with Trump, regardless of his running mate.

 

The problem is, who is the GOP going to put in there to run against Clinton? They have no one that would actually be able to capture demographic groups beyond the white, uneducated and evangelical vote anymore: Kaisch and Cruz would be lit up like a Roman Candle during a general election, Trump will alienate the remaining GOP moderates still clinging to the party in the hopes that leadership remembers they exist and polarize the country against him, Rand is too bats*** crazy to last on the campaign trail without getting full of holes, and Mitt Romney is the type of American that pretty much got our country in the mess it's in currently. Rubio was the only moderate that had any hope of salvaging any respect for the GOP and winning a general election, so naturally he was vilified and run out of the primaries on a rail.

 

The best outcome for this election is that the GOP combusts, fueled by its own derp, and two parties emerge--one for the moderate, rational former GOP members, and one where the fringe zealots, uneducated, evangelicals, and bats*** crazy can hang their hat while the rest of the grown-ups go about their business.

 

 

I have a crazy, out of this world idea... How about instead of trying to fix the nomination for or against candidates, we let the people of America cast their votes, and the person who gets the most votes wins.

 

I know it's a unique idea for American politics to do things the right way, but it's just something that popped into my head.

 

Here's another crazy idea.

 

How about having a party that puts up candidates that are worthy of a vote instead of immature imbeciles that don't talk about issues and instead cry like 2 year olds that life isn't fair and call people names.

 

Oh....but that would take mature voters that actually value maturity and knowledge in a candidate.