Epley's comments on Talent

[Husker Psycho]

Oh my god. I can't believe the Athletic Department uses PR outreach to showcase the work they're doing.

 

Neither of the local news media made any mention of the Athletic Department or their public relations hand in the comments.

 

Reading the articles make it sound as if the media had done some sort of sports reporting to arrive at these comments, even though there was no sports reporting involved at all.

 

The whole thing was intentionally misrepresented.

 

And think about it from the players perspective. Why would any player go out and give their all and risk injury for a team of players that the athletic department has given up on?

 

These guys just don't measure up and have no chance of measuring up for another year and a half... if ever ?

 

What a blunder.

[zoogs]

Unbelievable.

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

Dude, you don't need to "infer" anything. I'm telling you that TOM OSBORNE HIMSELF says he started recruiting for defensive speed after 1990, having watched those speedy Florida (and Georgia Tech) teams thwart his offense.

 

That would seem to suggest that however much speed Tom Osborne had recruited before 1990, he realized he had to step up his game in the new college football landscape that put a premium on DEFENSIVE SPEED.

 

Or to look at it another way, in keeping with the thread, Nebraska needed to target and secure better talent to become the '93-'97 juggernaut we remember.

 

I suppose I can infer that Tom Osborne's doesn't know what Tom Osborne was thinking as well as you do?

 

Osborne said a lot of things that, without context, were taken wrong. He and his staff always tried to recruit speed. Speed on the part of OU hurt NU many, many times in the '70s and '80s. So, regardless of what you understand Osborne to say, he didn't just wake up one day in the '90s and suddenly decide to recruit speed. That just under estimates Osborne and his staff. And it ignores the speed of players like Neil Smith, Broderick Thomas, to name a few of the defensive players in the '80s.

 

But, we do agree that the difference was in the way he and his staff changed their defense. And that was due in large measure to Kevin Steele's influence, and of course, the losses to the Florida schools in the late '80s and early '90s.

 

 

What is going on in this place?

 

Seriously. I don't know what you're arguing here or why.

 

We want to understand the context and reality of football, and there is Tom Osborne himself, telling you what happened.

 

Nobody said Broderick Thomas wasn't fast.

 

And Tom Osborne actually did wake up one day - or year - and make this decision.

 

And he was right. It lead to a dynasty.

 

I have no idea why this would be considered a slight to Tom Osborne and his staff.

 

Osborne basically admits that he couldn't win at the elite level with the talent he had at Nebraska in 1990. I have no idea how 1990 players felt years later, finding this out, but Osborne is taking responsibility himself. He had to make a change in his own coaching/recruiting philosophy, and he did.

[RADAR]

Why is it an issue whether or not Eichorst was behind the comments? For all I care it could have been Zombie Bob Devaney who was behind it. The real issue should be whether Epley's comments were true. And if true, how long it will take to fix.

Got it exactly right, the rest of, (who put it out and why) is a side show of distraction by those that want to keep the false narrative that it is a coaching failure when it is a personnel failure that the current staff is trying to fix.

[Husker Psycho]

 

Dude, you don't need to "infer" anything. I'm telling you that TOM OSBORNE HIMSELF says he started recruiting for defensive speed after 1990, having watched those speedy Florida (and Georgia Tech) teams thwart his offense.

 

That would seem to suggest that however much speed Tom Osborne had recruited before 1990, he realized he had to step up his game in the new college football landscape that put a premium on DEFENSIVE SPEED.

 

Or to look at it another way, in keeping with the thread, Nebraska needed to target and secure better talent to become the '93-'97 juggernaut we remember.

 

I suppose I can infer that Tom Osborne's doesn't know what Tom Osborne was thinking as well as you do?

 

Osborne said a lot of things that, without context, were taken wrong. He and his staff always tried to recruit speed. Speed on the part of OU hurt NU many, many times in the '70s and '80s. So, regardless of what you understand Osborne to say, he didn't just wake up one day in the '90s and suddenly decide to recruit speed. That just under estimates Osborne and his staff. And it ignores the speed of players like Neil Smith, Broderick Thomas, to name a few of the defensive players in the '80s.

 

But, we do agree that the difference was in the way he and his staff changed their defense. And that was due in large measure to Kevin Steele's influence, and of course, the losses to the Florida schools in the late '80s and early '90s.

 

 

Actually that is what happened.

 

And no it doesn't underestimate anything or anyone.

 

It meant that the great coach needed to learn one more thing. His ability and willingness to learn that one last thing led to 3 national championships. And that willingness to learn... is a credit to his greatness.

[Guy Chamberlin]

So on this thread we've learned that the elite college football programs start with baseline metrics established by S&C experts in determining which recruits to target. It seems to work for them.

 

Boyd Epley, a legend in college football S&C, thinks Nebraska needs to target and recruit more like the elite teams if we want that higher level of performance. Which we don't have now.

 

Nobody doesn't love the hardworking player who proves the exception to the rule.

 

Ergo, f#*k Epley, who is clearly a puppet of Shawn Eichorst, who only wants the worst for Nebraska football.

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

 

Dude, you don't need to "infer" anything. I'm telling you that TOM OSBORNE HIMSELF says he started recruiting for defensive speed after 1990, having watched those speedy Florida (and Georgia Tech) teams thwart his offense.

 

That would seem to suggest that however much speed Tom Osborne had recruited before 1990, he realized he had to step up his game in the new college football landscape that put a premium on DEFENSIVE SPEED.

 

Or to look at it another way, in keeping with the thread, Nebraska needed to target and secure better talent to become the '93-'97 juggernaut we remember.

 

I suppose I can infer that Tom Osborne's doesn't know what Tom Osborne was thinking as well as you do?

 

Osborne said a lot of things that, without context, were taken wrong. He and his staff always tried to recruit speed. Speed on the part of OU hurt NU many, many times in the '70s and '80s. So, regardless of what you understand Osborne to say, he didn't just wake up one day in the '90s and suddenly decide to recruit speed. That just under estimates Osborne and his staff. And it ignores the speed of players like Neil Smith, Broderick Thomas, to name a few of the defensive players in the '80s.

 

But, we do agree that the difference was in the way he and his staff changed their defense. And that was due in large measure to Kevin Steele's influence, and of course, the losses to the Florida schools in the late '80s and early '90s.

 

 

Actually that is what happened.

 

And no it doesn't underestimate anything or anyone.

 

It meant that the great coach needed to learn one more thing. His ability and willingness to learn that one last thing led to 3 national championships. And that willingness to learn... is a credit to his greatness.

 

 

Thanks. Said better and in fewer words.

[DomiNUs]

 

Oh my god. I can't believe the Athletic Department uses PR outreach to showcase the work they're doing.

 

Neither of the local news media made any mention of the Athletic Department or their public relations hand in the comments.

 

Reading the articles make it sound as if the media had done some sort of sports reporting to arrive at these comments, even though there was no sports reporting involved at all.

 

The whole thing was intentionally misrepresented.

 

And think about it from the players perspective. Why would any player go out and give their all and risk injury for a team of players that the athletic department has given up on?

 

These guys just don't measure up and have no chance of measuring up for another year and a half... if ever ?

 

What a blunder.

 

Because some of the players scored low on the assessment the athletic department gave up on them? Maybe, and this is a long shot here, maybe the results were made public so that there would be some emphasis on improvement and also provide the fans with some sort of measuring stick at where the talent and development of the team is really at.

[It'sNotAFakeID]

 

 

 

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

 

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Thanks Mavric.

 

I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST.

 

The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly.

 

It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it.

 

But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period.

 

But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way.

 

Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds.

 

"Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy.

 

And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions.

Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years.

I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo.

I do remember this AD leaving that coach out to dry after the media speculated about that coaches job security, hiding behind the "I don't comment on a coaches job status in season."

Yet the same AD TWICE this year went public with statements of support for his loser hire in season.

That's a pretty short memory you got there.

 

Do you think Bo came up wits the spring game cat, the Jack Hoffman run all by himself?

[Elf]

Oh my god. I can't believe the Athletic Department uses PR outreach to showcase the work they're doing.

Right?

[GBRedneck]

 

 

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

 

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Shocking.

 

<sarcasm>

 

And yet some people wonder why some of the players have reservations about playing for this AD and coaching staff.

 

 

 

When people start hiding things... information... the true reason why something was done... or said... then that should raise a RED FLAG.

 

The red flag indicates something is seriously wrong going on. Other wise they would have been honest about it.

 

 

The performance metrics of the players used to be made public during the Osborne days. After he left, all of the sudden, they stopped making them public. We suspected it was because the numbers-metrics had plummeted and they were trying to hide them. That turned out to be correct... they were hiding them form the public because they didn't want the truth to be known.

 

So comments are made by a prominent member of the program... right before a bowl game... and the true nature of the comments and why they were made public was misrepresented-hidden. So as in the case with the athletic performance numbers the red flag comes out again as it should.

 

The truth behind the athletic department controlled public relations pumping of this and the attempt to hide it... is at least as big a story as the comments if not a bigger story because it involves intentional misrepresentation and hiding of the truth.

 

When did they stop reporting testing results? Wasn't it when Callahan showed up?

[GBRedneck]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

 

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Thanks Mavric.

 

I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST.

 

The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly.

 

It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it.

 

But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period.

 

But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way.

 

Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds.

 

"Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy.

 

And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions.

Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years.

I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo.

 

 

 

Of course you don't.

 

Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot?

 

Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance?

 

Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game?

 

Remember Bo and the Cat?

 

How all of these somehow went viral?

 

These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own.

 

Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare.

 

Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program.

 

Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things?

 

 

Exactly as much proof that Eichorst is pimping out Boyd Epley at the moment.

 

That's kinda the point.

 

I'd be fascinated to see your proof that Bo's "inner circle" was responsible for all his PR, virtually every bit of it requiring the resources and cooperation of the Athletic Department.

 

If you're trying to narrow things down to logical explanations backed by proof, that's going in the other direction.

 

Shawn Eichorst gave Bo Pelini the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (sixth year HC who had uttered the words "f#*k the fans!)

 

Then Shawn Eichorst gave Mike Riley the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (first year HC who hasn't worked with his first recruiting class yet)

 

And the PR department continues to pursue stories to the benefit of the university, and probably never to the surprise of the Athletic Director himself.

 

So it's highly likely both scenarios are accurate, even if one doesn't support your agenda.

 

You certainly did a nice job of coming up with a story to support your agenda.

[BigRedBuster]

I find it absolutely hilarious that some people are just aghast that the athletic department would think of planning news releases or certain statements out for PR.

 

Every single athletic department does that in the world.

 

It's even funnier that some people also don't think that happened during previous coaching staffs.

[DomiNUs]

I find it absolutely hilarious that some people are just aghast that the athletic department would think of planning news releases or certain statements out for PR.

 

Every single athletic department does that in the world.

 

It's even funnier that some people also don't think that happened during previous coaching staffs.

 

Totally agree. What's even better, is there are those that believe our athletic department has some sort of agenda and is able to influence the public regarding that agenda through the media. Especially after this little PR nightmare . . . link.

[Elf]

 

You honestly think he had a hand in the recent comments by Epley but had nothing to do with those things?

 

 

The newspapers already confirmed that the AD contacted them both to do a coordinated story. And Bo's own inner circle was responsible for all of his PR. Eichorst had nothing to do with it, except possibly a rubber stamp approval for a few of them.

 

The more I read about Ickyhorst, the more he resembles SPEM. I wonder if Ickyhorst is SPEM's revenge?

 

Naw. Prickman picked both of those incompetent boobs, so, a pattern is evident.

 

Bastardizing people's names doesn't make you look cool and clever, just saying...