Defining the "Liberal Media" and the "Mainstream Media"

[Landlord]

Now, WELL BEFORE Trump made his comments and the Khan story took on a different angle, the MSM was all over the Khans speech and pushing their own agenda that Trump is bigoted and mean to Muslims.

 

 

Links, please.

[Moiraine]

 

 

most of the mainstream outlets Americans get their news from tend to be biased toward Democrats

 

 

Most mainstream media outlets are biased towards laziness and sensationalism, which the Republican party has given a greater, higher amount of fodder for over the last decade plus.

 

 

Spoken like a true sympathizer to the left. Both parties have plenty of material to give to the media, yet it's often covered to suit their own agenda. Not Trump deserves a lot of his own criticism, and perhaps its because he's said so many crazy things in the past that the media now blows the littlest things out of proportion.

 

A completely clear example of MSM bias was how they handled Patricia Smith's speech at the RNC (the mother of a child that was killed serving this country) compared to the Khans (whose son was also killed). Now, WELL BEFORE Trump made his comments and the Khan story took on a different angle, the MSM was all over the Khans speech and pushing their own agenda that Trump is bigoted and mean to Muslims. Meanwhile, I barely saw ANY coverage on MSM outlets about Smith's speech at the RNC. This is just one of many examples of double standards by the press and how they will highlight a story that is positive for the Dems or negative toward the GOP, or they will minimize a story that is positive for the GOP and negative for the Dems.

 

This isn't an example of a double standard.

 

First off, Trump literally is "bigoted and mean to Muslims." He wants them under surveillance, to join a special list, and has said he wants to ban all immigration by Muslims.

 

Smith's speech not having much coverage doesn't tell us anything. Everyone knows about Smith. Everyone knows she says Clinton lied to her. There was nothing positive for the GOP in her speech. Only negative for Clinton. None of this was new news.

 

An anecdote: My mom watched all of both conventions. She was a staunch Republican until 2000 and she's been an independent since. The only part of the two conventions she told me about was Khan's speech. So to her, that was news. The other stuff (including Smith's speech) wasn't.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

 

most of the mainstream outlets Americans get their news from tend to be biased toward Democrats

 

 

Most mainstream media outlets are biased towards laziness and sensationalism, which the Republican party has given a greater, higher amount of fodder for over the last decade plus.

 

 

Spoken like a true sympathizer to the left. Both parties have plenty of material to give to the media, yet it's often covered to suit their own agenda. Not Trump deserves a lot of his own criticism, and perhaps its because he's said so many crazy things in the past that the media now blows the littlest things out of proportion.

 

A completely clear example of MSM bias was how they handled Patricia Smith's speech at the RNC (the mother of a child that was killed serving this country) compared to the Khans (whose son was also killed). Now, WELL BEFORE Trump made his comments and the Khan story took on a different angle, the MSM was all over the Khans speech and pushing their own agenda that Trump is bigoted and mean to Muslims. Meanwhile, I barely saw ANY coverage on MSM outlets about Smith's speech at the RNC. This is just one of many examples of double standards by the press and how they will highlight a story that is positive for the Dems or negative toward the GOP, or they will minimize a story that is positive for the GOP and negative for the Dems.

 

This isn't an example of a double standard.

 

First off, Trump literally is "bigoted and mean to Muslims." He wants them under surveillance, to join a special list, and has said he wants to ban all immigration by Muslims.

 

Smith's speech not having much coverage doesn't tell us anything. Everyone knows about Smith. Everyone knows she says Clinton lied to her. There was nothing positive for the GOP in her speech. Only negative for Clinton. None of this was new news.

 

An anecdote: My mom watched all of both conventions. She was a staunch Republican until 2000 and she's been an independent since. The only part of the two conventions she told me about was Khan's speech. So to her, that was news. The other stuff (including Smith's speech) wasn't.

 

 

So Hillary lying to the families who were killed because she failed to respond to their security requests for over a year is less of a concern compared to Trump making statements that were offensive to Khan? And she continues to lie about it whether its the Chris Wallace interview of the press conference she recently gave.

 

And its an excuse to say "everybody knows about Smith." I will guarantee you that a very small percentage of the voting population had ever heard of Smith before she spoke at the convention, and because it was not covered like Khan, I would bet many still have not heard of her. This is where the double standard is 100% clear. Two different parents, both suffered horrific losses of their children, one was covered like crazy, the other not so much.

 

As for anecdotal evidence, I have coworkers who are completely non-partisan, and who heard a great deal about the Khan story, not from watching the convention, but because it was covered by the news after. So I mentioned there was a similar story at the RNC and shared that with them, and they were surprised as they had never heard a word about it.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

Most average people outside the "media" which would be a very broad collection of the TV, print media, radio, internet, Hollywood, political and social organizations, etc. in today's communications world don't even know the difference between right and left in the political or social sense. This same 'media' has, perhaps purposely and perhaps without any particular intent or design or motive or agenda, has so skewed and distorted the messages they spew forth that it is difficult for the relatively uninformed or inattentive to really know what's actually going on.

 

In some cases, the leftist leaning media will hide their agendas and in other cases they are blatantly obvious and do so deliberately.

 

The 'truth' is no longer important - only the effect created or caused by the message's content. To most left leaning media, the impact of the message on the minds of the targeted audience is all that matters. The effort is to sway public opinion on any given topic to a leftist perspective without regard to any attempt to honestly inform them. The slant is often in the omitted information as much as in the 'facts' included in the story.

 

The left learned years ago that 'what the public does not know won't hurt the cause to be supported. When the facts honestly are told, a relatively large majority of the public can think sufficiently rationally so as to make reasonably good judgments as what is and is not best for the Nation and the people who live here. Distortion, lies and misrepresentation is the modus operandi of the left. This approach was promoted by the communists and socialists of eastern Europe and Russia for many decades.

 

For decades, the hard core left (perhaps a couple % or so of the population generally) denied and hid their socialist/communist inclinations for obvious reasons. Being a radical leftist was simply unacceptable to the general public, particularly in electoral politics. For good reasons of course but they knew to hide in the closet so to speak. Bernie Sanders is really the first major political candidate to publicly campaign successfully in a national election in American history. He was a legitimate threat to win the nomination but for the obvious conspiracy within the establishment of the national democrat party to prevent his campaign from actually winning. He came perilously close.

Well said. There will always be media bias, but most of the mainstream outlets Americans get their news from tend to be biased toward Democrats, while talk radio is biased toward Conservatives. We are seeing tonight a prime example with the MSM blowing up about one off-hand Trump comment to have 2nd Amendment supporters help ensure Hillary is not elected. Nearly all of his speech was focused on the real issues, yet this one comment is what dominates the news cycle. As a Republican nominee, Trump needs to be smart enough to realize this is what the MSM does...find any story that will create a negative impact on viewers toward the GOP nominee and/or minimize any negative stories about the Democratic nominee. Unfortunately Trump is not smart or disciplined enough to stop making any statements that will be blown up or taken out of context.

That is completely his fault and nobody else's. It's not the media fault. It's his.

 

If Clinton gave a good speech and then at the end said black gang bangers should go knock off corporate CEOs, she would be crucified in the press. The same press that is doing it with Trump.

 

Fact is, he's just too damn dumb to not make those comments.

 

I'm sick and tired of the republicans crying that the media doesn't treat them fair.

 

If you don't want them to report on you doing something stupid, don't do something stupid.

 

The entire myth is promoted by conservative outlets that make you think THEY are the only place to get the real news.

 

It's total BS and they are laughing all the way to the bank.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

Most average people outside the "media" which would be a very broad collection of the TV, print media, radio, internet, Hollywood, political and social organizations, etc. in today's communications world don't even know the difference between right and left in the political or social sense. This same 'media' has, perhaps purposely and perhaps without any particular intent or design or motive or agenda, has so skewed and distorted the messages they spew forth that it is difficult for the relatively uninformed or inattentive to really know what's actually going on.

 

In some cases, the leftist leaning media will hide their agendas and in other cases they are blatantly obvious and do so deliberately.

 

The 'truth' is no longer important - only the effect created or caused by the message's content. To most left leaning media, the impact of the message on the minds of the targeted audience is all that matters. The effort is to sway public opinion on any given topic to a leftist perspective without regard to any attempt to honestly inform them. The slant is often in the omitted information as much as in the 'facts' included in the story.

 

The left learned years ago that 'what the public does not know won't hurt the cause to be supported. When the facts honestly are told, a relatively large majority of the public can think sufficiently rationally so as to make reasonably good judgments as what is and is not best for the Nation and the people who live here. Distortion, lies and misrepresentation is the modus operandi of the left. This approach was promoted by the communists and socialists of eastern Europe and Russia for many decades.

 

For decades, the hard core left (perhaps a couple % or so of the population generally) denied and hid their socialist/communist inclinations for obvious reasons. Being a radical leftist was simply unacceptable to the general public, particularly in electoral politics. For good reasons of course but they knew to hide in the closet so to speak. Bernie Sanders is really the first major political candidate to publicly campaign successfully in a national election in American history. He was a legitimate threat to win the nomination but for the obvious conspiracy within the establishment of the national democrat party to prevent his campaign from actually winning. He came perilously close.

Well said. There will always be media bias, but most of the mainstream outlets Americans get their news from tend to be biased toward Democrats, while talk radio is biased toward Conservatives. We are seeing tonight a prime example with the MSM blowing up about one off-hand Trump comment to have 2nd Amendment supporters help ensure Hillary is not elected. Nearly all of his speech was focused on the real issues, yet this one comment is what dominates the news cycle. As a Republican nominee, Trump needs to be smart enough to realize this is what the MSM does...find any story that will create a negative impact on viewers toward the GOP nominee and/or minimize any negative stories about the Democratic nominee. Unfortunately Trump is not smart or disciplined enough to stop making any statements that will be blown up or taken out of context.

That is completely his fault and nobody else's. It's not the media fault. It's his.

 

If Clinton gave a good speech and then at the end said black gang bangers should go knock off corporate CEOs, she would be crucified in the press. The same press that is doing it with Trump.

 

Fact is, he's just too damn dumb to not make those comments.

 

I'm sick and tired of the republicans crying that the media doesn't treat them fair.

 

If you don't want them to report on you doing something stupid, don't do something stupid.

 

The entire myth is promoted by conservative outlets that make you think THEY are the only place to get the real news.

 

It's total BS and they are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

 

Did you read what I wrote. I said most of the things he says are his fault, but ignoring media bias in the example I gave about Smith and Khan is just being dismissive. Everyone points out that other outlets are flawed, just as you see those who are anti-Trump or anti-Republican will spout out crap about Fox News being biased. Bias exists EVERYWHERE, and to act like the "mainstream" news outlets have no bias is not being a realist.

[BigRedBuster]

Im sick and tired of trump standing there and claiming the election is rigged because of the media.

 

That is going to do nothing inflame a certain group when jus sorry ass loses.

 

This plays right into the absolute crap fox, Rush, Breitbart and others of their ilk have brainwashed their followers into believing.

 

I used to be one of those for years. I would sit at home at night and eat it up. Any network but Fox was bias and the only way I knew the truth was to watch them. I was a Ditto head from the beginning.

 

Then, I started catching Fox completely make stuff up or be very very misleading.

 

I stopped watching. You know what? It's total BS. Maybe MSNBC is as bad as fox, but CNN and other networks are no where close to as disgusting as Fox.

 

So spare me the act about this horrible evil bias against republicans everywhere but fox and a few others.

 

Republicans get everything they deserve.

[HuskerNation1]

Im sick and tired of trump standing there and claiming the election is rigged because of the media.

 

That is going to do nothing inflame a certain group when jus sorry ass loses.

 

This plays right into the absolute crap fox, Rush, Breitbart and others of their ilk have brainwashed their followers into believing.

 

I used to be one of those for years. I would sit at home at night and eat it up. Any network but Fox was bias and the only way I knew the truth was to watch them. I was a Ditto head from the beginning.

 

Then, I started catching Fox completely make stuff up or be very very misleading.

 

I stopped watching. You know what? It's total BS. Maybe MSNBC is as bad as fox, but CNN and other networks are no where close to as disgusting as Fox.

 

So spare me the act about this horrible evil bias against republicans everywhere but fox and a few others.

 

Republicans get everything they deserve.

 

Give me a break BRB. CNN is way biased and for you to not see it just shows your own biases on your anti-GOP tirade. I get that you are a convert, and its kind of like someone who grew up in one town, moves to the big city or a different town, then all they want to do is trash the place they originated in. I don't buy into everything Fox says and know they lean to the right, but for you to suggest CNN and other networks don't have similar biases is just wrong.

 

More importantly, you didn't address the example I provided highlighting the bias that has always existed but that you choose to overlook. Just because an outlet like Fox or MSNBC is more blatant in showing their bias does not mean the impact of other networks is any less. In fact, by disguising their bias they may be having a greater impact on voters.

[BigRedBuster]

What am I a convert to or from?

[HuskerNation1]

What am I a convert to or from?

 

Well on here you've claimed many times how you used to be a Republican/Conservative and now have disavowed anything to do with that position. Is that not true anymore?

[BigRedBuster]

And....fox "leans" to the right? That may be the understatement of the decade. Their entire business model is to convince enough people of the evil liberal media world and make them so angry they tune in tomorrow night to get more angry.

 

CNN has reporters that lean here at there. But, their business model is not to promote everything liberal and brainwash their followers that the outside world is all misleading and lying to you.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

What am I a convert to or from?

Well on here you've claimed many times how you used to be a Republican/Conservative and now have disavowed anything to do with that position. Is that not true anymore?

I've said many times I'm still conservative.

 

What exactly did I convert from and to?

[BigRedBuster]

Double post.

[Danny Bateman]

 

 

most of the mainstream outlets Americans get their news from tend to be biased toward Democrats

 

 

Most mainstream media outlets are biased towards laziness and sensationalism, which the Republican party has given a greater, higher amount of fodder for over the last decade plus.

 

 

Spoken like a true sympathizer to the left. Both parties have plenty of material to give to the media, yet it's often covered to suit their own agenda. Not Trump deserves a lot of his own criticism, and perhaps its because he's said so many crazy things in the past that the media now blows the littlest things out of proportion.

 

A completely clear example of MSM bias was how they handled Patricia Smith's speech at the RNC (the mother of a child that was killed serving this country) compared to the Khans (whose son was also killed). Now, WELL BEFORE Trump made his comments and the Khan story took on a different angle, the MSM was all over the Khans speech and pushing their own agenda that Trump is bigoted and mean to Muslims. Meanwhile, I barely saw ANY coverage on MSM outlets about Smith's speech at the RNC. This is just one of many examples of double standards by the press and how they will highlight a story that is positive for the Dems or negative toward the GOP, or they will minimize a story that is positive for the GOP and negative for the Dems.

 

 

This cuts both ways. Fox News didn't even AIR the Khan's speech... They were busy conducting interviews and showing Benghazi commercials. But they cut afterwards to a live feed of Katy Perry.

 

Everyone crafts their own narrative, I suppose.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

What am I a convert to or from?

Well on here you've claimed many times how you used to be a Republican/Conservative and now have disavowed anything to do with that position. Is that not true anymore?

I've said many times I'm still conservative.

 

What exactly did I convert from and to?

 

 

Well this is the first I've heard you state that you are still a Conservative. I've seen many posts where you have claimed the GOP is too Conservative. What policies within the GOP do you support exactly?

[Landlord]

 

 

 

What am I a convert to or from?

Well on here you've claimed many times how you used to be a Republican/Conservative and now have disavowed anything to do with that position. Is that not true anymore?

I've said many times I'm still conservative.

 

What exactly did I convert from and to?

 

 

Well this is the first I've heard you state that you are still a Conservative. I've seen many posts where you have claimed the GOP is too Conservative. What policies within the GOP do you support exactly?

 

 

 

 

The GOP and conservatism aren't the same thing.