ZRod Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/05/dont-forget-people-obamacare-hurts/I don't think anyone has said the ACA is perfect or that it shouldn't be fixed. But wut and 84 think that a straight repeal would fix costs, when it clearly won't. Competition won't lower costs and increase quality is what you're saying?...Did it before Obamacare? Considering premiums and deductibles have gone through the roof since competition has been wiped out in most states, I'd say that speaks for itself. And before Obamacare there was competition and stagnant deductables? Link to comment
wutthewut Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Considering premiums and deductibles have gone through the roof since competition has been wiped out in most states, I'd say that speaks for itself. So you're saying the decreased competition has nothing to do with the current spiking of prices? Is that your claim? Link to comment
mrandyk Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Considering premiums and deductibles have gone through the roof since competition has been wiped out in most states, I'd say that speaks for itself. So you're saying the decreased competition has nothing to do with the current spiking of prices? Is that your claim? Who determines the cost of health care? Link to comment
wutthewut Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Considering premiums and deductibles have gone through the roof since competition has been wiped out in most states, I'd say that speaks for itself. So you're saying the decreased competition has nothing to do with the current spiking of prices? Is that your claim? Who determines the cost of health care? Typically, supply and demand. The point on the price scale where a company can provide a good value to their customers while maximizing profits. Now with all the silly ACA mandates, you have all these stipulations that are causing insurers to raise cost to cover their profits, and many companies are dropping out of the market altogether. Thus, less competition in the marketplace and the ability for insurance companies to charge more. Economics... Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 What you just described hasn't been in health care for almost 100 years. Link to comment
wutthewut Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 What you just described had t been on health care for almost 100 years. If you're saying that a free market model with minimal necessary regulations would best serve the people, I agree with you 😉 Link to comment
zoogs Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 A middle school economics class combined with some serious propaganda is a dangerous thing... You have a distinctly un-peopley definition of "the people". Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 That's a really strange interpretation of my post. Went back and corrected my typos....if that's what was causing the confusion. 1 Link to comment
wutthewut Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 A middle school economics class combined with some serious propaganda is a dangerous thing... You have a distinctly un-peopley definition of "the people". 😂😂😂 Propaganda... Marxist say what? 😂 Link to comment
wutthewut Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 That's a really strange interpretation of my post. Went back and corrected my typos....if that's what was causing the confusion. To give a relatable example: When Lasik eye surgery first emerged, it was extremely expensive. Today, it's a few thousand dollars. Why did the price fall so drastically? Link to comment
commando Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 That's a really strange interpretation of my post. Went back and corrected my typos....if that's what was causing the confusion. To give a relatable example: When Lasik eye surgery first emerged, it was extremely expensive. Today, it's a few thousand dollars. Why did the price fall so drastically? how is that relatable? does lasik have to do twice as much as it used to like insurance does now? there used to be exclusions to what was covered and lifetime limits on your coverage for insurance that obama put an end to. Link to comment
wutthewut Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 That's a really strange interpretation of my post. Went back and corrected my typos....if that's what was causing the confusion. To give a relatable example: When Lasik eye surgery first emerged, it was extremely expensive. Today, it's a few thousand dollars. Why did the price fall so drastically? how is that relatable? does lasik have to do twice as much as it used to like insurance does now? there used to be exclusions to what was covered and lifetime limits on your coverage for insurance that obama put an end to. It's a low regulated medical procedure. That's how it's relatable. It's recent and glaring proof of the free market system at work. Competition in the marketplace drives prices down. For some reason that gets lost... Link to comment
commando Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 That's a really strange interpretation of my post. Went back and corrected my typos....if that's what was causing the confusion. To give a relatable example: When Lasik eye surgery first emerged, it was extremely expensive. Today, it's a few thousand dollars. Why did the price fall so drastically? how is that relatable? does lasik have to do twice as much as it used to like insurance does now? there used to be exclusions to what was covered and lifetime limits on your coverage for insurance that obama put an end to. It's a low regulated medical procedure. That's how it's relatable. It's recent and glaring proof of the free market system at work. Competition in the marketplace drives prices down. For some reason that gets lost... what you want is health care with no insurance to mess up the free market? Link to comment
commando Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 That's a really strange interpretation of my post. Went back and corrected my typos....if that's what was causing the confusion. To give a relatable example: When Lasik eye surgery first emerged, it was extremely expensive. Today, it's a few thousand dollars. Why did the price fall so drastically? how is that relatable? does lasik have to do twice as much as it used to like insurance does now? there used to be exclusions to what was covered and lifetime limits on your coverage for insurance that obama put an end to. It's a low regulated medical procedure. That's how it's relatable. It's recent and glaring proof of the free market system at work. Competition in the marketplace drives prices down. For some reason that gets lost... and almost all procedures are extremely expensive at first and gradually lower some as they get more doctors in that field Link to comment
commando Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/05/dont-forget-people-obamacare-hurts/I don't think anyone has said the ACA is perfect or that it shouldn't be fixed. But wut and 84 think that a straight repeal would fix costs, when it clearly won't. Competition won't lower costs and increase quality is what you're saying?...Did it before Obamacare? Considering premiums and deductibles have gone through the roof since competition has been wiped out in most states, I'd say that speaks for itself. check out this link wutwut http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/ 1 Link to comment
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