Dems Rebuild

[Moiraine]

16 minutes ago, commando said:

 

 

damn....the dust isn't even settled from the civil war and now it's time for a democratic coup?

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/395842-tucker-carlson-dems-are-plotting-a-coup-through-immigration

 

 

 

 

It would be nice if I could write this off as one insane person, but he has viewers who believe him. Something like Fox News where they just lie to people's faces and still call it news should never have been allowed.

[Big Red 40]

On 7/3/2018 at 4:02 PM, Moiraine said:

 

 

One of the (many) degrees I was going toward was High School Math before changing my mind, and I ended up getting a minor in Education. I agree completely with you. I believe I took around 7 classes and they were all so easy a 12 year old could pass them. There was no need for all of them. None of them were challenging. It would be a lot better if a) teachers were paid better and b) you had to be smart to be a teacher. This doesn't mean I think all teachers are dumb. It just means you don't have to be smart to be one. I'm guessing the shortage in teachers (in at least some subjects) is because of the pay, and so the schools can't really make it a challenge to graduate.

 

Also, I've taken lots of classes at community college and they were perfectly fine for preparing me for classes at UNL. I started one at a community college and dropped it, then later took it at UNL. The version at the community college was much more challenging, I assume because they have to make sure they keep their transfer equivalency to keep the value of their classes high.

Teaching isn’t so much about being smart as it is being able to explain things to others . Lots of smart people are terrible teachers . 

One example , my dc circuits teacher at SCC years ago was a genius level guy knew everything about electronics. He skipped the basics though, and jumped right into advanced math and theory , moved very quickly and got mad if you didn’t “get it”. Nobody did well in that class. 

Physics teacher at same school was genius level too but he did visual examples  and explained things in a way anyone could understand . Aced that class . 

Neither class was easy curriculum , and I wasn’t any dumber in one class or the other lol . It was all teaching . 

I agree lots of talented intelligent people take their skills to better paying jobs than teaching , that needs fixed . 

I Also think community colleges/trade schools  offer good classes . I’ve taken many and learned a bunch in every one. All of them were Industry people who are talented at the trade,  and could teach, good instructors . 

[Moiraine]

1 hour ago, Big Red 40 said:

Teaching isn’t so much about being smart as it is being able to explain things to others . Lots of smart people are terrible teachers . 

One example , my dc circuits teacher at SCC years ago was a genius level guy knew everything about electronics. He skipped the basics though, and jumped right into advanced math and theory , moved very quickly and got mad if you didn’t “get it”. Nobody did well in that class. 

Physics teacher at same school was genius level too but he did visual examples  and explained things in a way anyone could understand . Aced that class . 

Neither class was easy curriculum , and I wasn’t any dumber in one class or the other lol . It was all teaching . 

I agree lots of talented intelligent people take their skills to better paying jobs than teaching , that needs fixed . 

I Also think community colleges/trade schools  offer good classes . I’ve taken many and learned a bunch in every one. All of them were Industry people who are talented at the trade,  and could teach, good instructors . 

 

 

I agree, definitely. A professor I TA'd for was like that. He was a genius but he had trouble relating to 18-22 year olds because either he never went through a time of being confused about the subject or it was so long ago he couldn't remember what it was like or what the tougher parts were. Whereas I was only a year or two removed from being confused about some of the things in the class I was helping with.

[Big Red 40]

He makes some good points here. Personally I wonder how long the Republican Party can  keep winning elections running on a platform of anti legal abortion, anti gay rights , Christianity, unlimited guns, discrimination against minorities , massive military spending and wars , anti social programs etc when the young people don’t care about any of that, or think the opposite.  I know a small sampling of millennials including my own children and the all seem to be very tolerant and liberal . 

[knapplc]

What do I think? I think the Democrats are the lesser of two evils right now, and that is all they are.  As a group providing leadership they are exceedingly wanting.  They are the flotsam we cling to amid the wreckage of the sinking ship that is the American Dream.

 

The Democrat Party is not the answer to the problems America faces. They are simply the best of two bad options.  If we avert this current crisis, they need to reform or retire, period.

 

[Big Red 40]

Usually agree with you but not on this one . I do think that progressives and democrats need to unite instead of tearing each other down,  but the philosophies and platform of the left are much more the solution to making this country great than the old,  antiquated , outdated ideas of the right . I think young voters realize this and will eventually remove the GOP from power on all levels . Maybe the old guard democrats that are there now should retire but I think there are many good young candidates that the left could rally around . 

[RedDenver]

I put this in the Ocasio-Cortez thread, but belongs in this discussion also:

1 minute ago, RedDenver said:

Also, establishment Democrats (politicians) show once again they don't support the unity they claim that the progressives should have:

Joe Lieberman urges voters to back Crowley over Ocasio-Cortez in general

 

That's right, Jow Crowley (the incumbent) that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez beat in the primary ended up winning a third party primary, and Lieberman wants him to run against her. Against the Democratic Party. His own party. The Dems are more interested in protecting the status quo than even winning.

 

BRAND NEW CONGRESS!!! Replace them all.

 

[Moiraine]

1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

I put this in the Ocasio-Cortez thread, but belongs in this discussion also:

 

 

 

Anything from anyone other than Joe Lieberman? I can't look it up now but I'm 90% sure Lieberman was a Democrat VP, then a Republican for years, and if he's a Democrat again I didn't even realize it until reading your post.

 

I'm not sure anything he says matters.

 

Edit: Looked after all.

 

Democratic (before 2006) Independent(2006–present)

 

 

Since becoming an independent I've seen him say a few very pro Republican things, which is why I thought he might be a Republican now. Seems like he mostly votes with D though or I would have heard about it at some point. Regardless, he isn't a Democrat.

[Danny Bateman]

1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

I put this in the Ocasio-Cortez thread, but belongs in this discussion also:

 

 

55 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

Anything from anyone other than Joe Lieberman? I can't look it up now but I'm 90% sure Lieberman was a Democrat VP, then a Republican for years, and if he's a Democrat again I didn't even realize it until reading your post.

 

I'm not sure anything he says matters.

 

Edit: Looked after all.

 

Democratic (before 2006) Independent(2006–present)

 

 

Since becoming an independent I've seen him say a few very pro Republican things, which is why I thought he might be a Republican now. Seems like he mostly votes with D though or I would have heard about it at some point. Regardless, he isn't a Democrat.

 

Agreed. Joe Lieberman is a very poor example of a Dem. I'll never forgive him for wrecking the public option.

[RedDenver]

Fair enough. Crowley says he's not running, if he does or doesn't, then we'll know.

[BigRedBuster]

 

[RedDenver]

2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

I remain unconvinced there's more people in the center or center-right that would turn out to vote Dem than on the left. Show me some polling. (Not you BRB, but the people making these claims.)

[TGHusker]

 Some Dems are looking at a "Third Wave" movement.  Movement towards 'moderation' and away from the  progressive direction of Bernie Sanders and democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

 

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“Once again, the time has come to mend, but not end, capitalism for a new era,” said Jonathan Cowan, Third Way’s president, in a sweeping speech outlining his group’s study.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/article215241865.html#storyl=cpy

 

 

 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/article215241865.html

 

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Any effort to rebrand the party reminds Democrats of the approach advocated by former President Bill Clinton in the early 1990s, when he pulled the party in a more moderate direction on social and economic issues. Third Way rejects the idea that it’s trying to do the same thing now, arguing that they are instead advocating for an entirely new approach.

“Let’s be clear,” Cowan said. “80s supply-sidism, 90s centrism and 60s socialism will not cut it for the era we’re in. We need something new and different.”

Many of those in attendance were careful not to directly criticize Ocasio-Cortez, saying they welcomed the new energy she was bringing into the party. But they also made clear that they thought her style of politics would be a difficult sell outside of her New York City congressional district, where the party must try to win over more conservative voters.

Lanae Erickson Hatalsky, vice president for social policy and politics at Third Way, said a poll conducted by the group found voters — including many Democrats — responded more positively to a message that emphasized creating economic opportunity over income inequality. The opportunity message, she said, “trounced the other Democratic approaches on the table with the voters we need to win in a general election.”

Other Democrats in attendance were harsher in their assessments of the party’s liberal wing.

“A small but vocal subgroup that is unhinged from evidence will be wrong in the long run, regardless of how loud they are,” said Iowa state Sen. Jeff Danielson, in an interview.

Danielson hails from a conservative-leaning district in northeast Iowa and says he’s managed to win re-election there by adopting an approach similar to the one advocated by Third Way. Many of his constituents would see Ocasio-Cortez’s agenda and think it amounted to nothing more than a “grievance list,” he said.

But he’s not sure other members of his party will listen to his advice.

“We don’t know what we want,” he said. “We haven’t found our sea legs as a party.”

 

 

[TGHusker]

^^^ My post got all mixed up and can't edit it?? The last cartoon is in the way of the edit button. 

[RedDenver]

Meanwhile, progressive candidates polling well in Kansas:

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Backed by groups like Justice Democrats, Our Revolution, and the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, Thompson and Brent Welder — for whom Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders campaigned in Kansas City later in the day — are competing to represent their state’s 4th and 3rd Districts, respectively. Welder is a former labor lawyer who one poll put 7 points ahead of the Republican incumbent Kevin Yoder.