The First Trump Impeachment Thread

[schriznoeder]

And there goes Collins complaining about his chair ago. Getting passed over for the Senate gig really has him triggered.

[schriznoeder]

 

[Nebfanatic]

Obstruction and Bribery are also federal crimes and it's impossible to say he didn't commit those crimes there Turley

[QMany]

10 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

I heard someone once claim...I think he was at expert....that if we don't impeach, then it tells the President and future President's that they can do anything and not get in trouble.

 

 

[Nebfanatic]

Obstruction does have elements and ignoring subpoenas is one of those elements. Also the articles of impeachment have yet to be drafted. Why does Turley keep talking about this record speed? It's not even close to over yet

[BigRedBuster]

3 minutes ago, QMany said:

 

 

Oh yes....I knew I heard it somewhere. 

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

[Nebfanatic]

Barr released the Mueller report??

[Nebfanatic]

Political QPQ IS bribery. 

[QMany]

I actually agree with some of Turley's arguments. The House shouldn't be able to set a streamlined deadline for document requests and depositions and cry impeachment if that is not fulfilled. The President should be allowed to challenge the subpoenas in court. 

 

Unfortunately, that is misrepresenting what is happening here. He has vehemently challenged producing tax records in court. But he has just directed people to disregard the subpoenas, incl. Mulvaney, Pompeo, etc. He did not go to the courts to challenge them the right way (because he would lose).

[Nebfanatic]

6 minutes ago, QMany said:

I actually agree with some of Turley's arguments. The House shouldn't be able to set a streamlined deadline for document requests and depositions and cry impeachment if that is not fulfilled. The President should be allowed to challenge the subpoenas in court. 

 

Unfortunately, that is misrepresenting what is happening here. He has vehemently challenged producing tax records in court. But he has just directed people to disregard the subpoenas, incl. Mulvaney, Pompeo, etc. He did not go to the courts to challenge them the right way (because he would lose).

Muddying the waters. He is right but it doesn't really apply here though he makes it seem like that is the situation.

[QMany]

 

[BigRedBuster]

16 minutes ago, QMany said:

 

 

 

 

I wish I were surprised.

[schriznoeder]

Jonathan Turley must have enrolled in Bill Barr's Spin 101 class. 

[TGHusker]

1 hour ago, Nebfanatic said:

Muddying the waters. He is right but it doesn't really apply here though he makes it seem like that is the situation.

agreed.  He had some appropriate things to say and yet it all was a dance around the facts before the committee - that Trump obstructed, bribed, and acted in pursuit of personal gain and not for the benefit of the country.  That he used the power of his office to pressure a foreign govt to interfere in our election.  The argument of the GOP all is about 'time' - a rush to judgement.  However, when the facts are evident, one doesn't need to loaf around even as more facts become available that support the crime (more info from the Intel committee may be added to the impeachment inquiry).   AND, if you got the criminal confessing what he did (as well as the criminal's acting chief of staff) it doesn't matter if he thinks it isn't a crime.  The president can't claim ignorance.