The First Trump Impeachment Thread

[ZRod]

1 hour ago, Redux said:

 

What were the findings of the investigation into Biden?

Here's a better question, why didn't Trump, Nunez, or anyone in the GOP care enough to investigate when they had full control of the legislature at the time?

[ZRod]

29 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

 

And not only did it confirm that Trump was not colluding with the Russians but that they knew it before he was appointed special counsel. Meanwhile we know Hilary hired Russians to BS about Trump.  But that's history.

 

Now we know that Joe Biden had a quid pro quo with Ukraine.  At best your hoping that Trump kinda sorta tried to do one. 

 

You couldn't confirm Trump's campaign narrative better than what you're doing. 

You could just say no, you didn't read the report.

[Redux]

19 minutes ago, ZRod said:

Here's a better question, why didn't Trump, Nunez, or anyone in the GOP care enough to investigate when they had full control of the legislature at the time?

 

So we have now way of knowing if Biden is innocent or not

[Danny Bateman]

1 minute ago, Redux said:

 

So we have now way of knowing if Biden is innocent or not

 

We have the facts.

 

Go read the facts and decide for yourself, man.

[commando]

6 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

So we have now way of knowing if Biden is innocent or not

how do we know if you are innocent or not?

[ZRod]

7 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

So we have now way of knowing if Biden is innocent or not

What exactly would he be guilty of? The "investigation" into Burisma had been on hold for years before Joe (as the US lead in Ukraine) had the prosecutor removed. Every ally in Europe agreed that the prosecutor was corrupt. Apparently there is a long standing tradition in Ukranian politics of announcing an investigation and then making it go away for a price.

 

Sure, look into it but from everything we know it's almost certainly a bad look and nothing more.

[knapplc]

3 hours ago, Decoy73 said:

Excellent summary. I’m going to send it to my brainwashed family members.

 

I have to ask though. Did you just type this up or have you been saving it. 

 

Completely from memory. Some of it may be fuzzy. Fact-checking is encouraged.

[Moiraine]

 

9 minutes ago, ZRod said:

Apparently there is a long standing tradition in Ukranian politics of announcing an investigation and then making it go away for a price.

 

 

Kind of a sidetrack but it seems to be a way of life in former Soviet countries. With regular stuff too. You can bribe people to get a driver's license, or have your passport created more quickly. Just 2 examples I know of from my friend.

[knapplc]

16 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

So we have now way of knowing if Biden is innocent or not

 

Literally every intelligence service has exonerated Biden.

 

Literally.

 

Every one.

 

Including people nominated by Trump.

 

The fact that you are completely clueless about this fact is troubling.

 

 

BUT

 

 

If you think what Biden is accused of doing (by Trump) is bad...

 

WHY DO YOU NOT DO THE SAME WONDERING ABOUT TRUMP HIMSELF WHO IS LITERALLY ACCUSED BY EVERY CONSTITUTIONALLY CREATED INVESTIGATIVE BODY IN THE AMERICAN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

 

Because the answer to that is either:

 

You are 100% unaware of the findings of our foundational investigative bodies

 

--OR--

 

The findings of those foundational investigative bodies are unpalatable to you.

[mrandyk]

1 hour ago, Redux said:

I really don't understand why anyone who supports the Republicans is a troll.  It says on the outside of the forun left wing socialist and right wing nut jobs are welcome.

Because basically every Republican stance is in disregard of the facts and reality of the given situation. There is no reasoning with someone living in a manufactured reality, and it's very much akin to dealing with a troll.

[B.B. Hemingway]

5 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

I still think she's going to be the nominee.

 

Yup. Unfortunately. Trump will eat her alive on the campaign trail too. It's all he's good at.... I'm #TeamTulsi for what it's worth.

[Landlord]

7 hours ago, Redux said:

Well as far as better prepping, they should have rallied behind a couple of serious candidates that actually pose a threat to him.  My Repub friend is convinced it will be either Kamala or Warren because there's no shot a male gets the nomination from the Dems.  Idk if I believe that, but Biden is out and I don't really see any of the other guys standing out.

 

It's been hinted at, but 'they' is a lot of different people with different jobs and responsibilities and interests. While 'they' as in Pelosi and Schiff and a very small team of people in the House of Representatives have been working on the articles of impeachment, 'they' as  in campaign managers, the DNC, and others, have been rallying behind candidates. Warren and Sanders are two very qualified and capable candidates. Buttgieg is very compelling and  is a serious candidate, but green in experience. I still don't get exactly why or how you phrase this opinion as if all the Democrats in government have a single choice to do this one thing or this other one thing. 

 

And it's a bit funny to me that your friend was convinced of Kamala and you said it present tense after she had already dropped out of the race

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Redux said:

 

Maybe if the healthcare problem were actually addressed instead of used as a campaign tool. Obama made it mandatory, fine.  But did nothing about holding the companies accountable about the insane prices.  People were opting to pay MORE taxes to not have coverage because the prices are so high.  That's insane as well.  I'm lucky enough to be in that range where it's totally unaffordable but make just barely too much money to get any sort of price break or hand out.  The parties using it as leverage, that's what's killing healthcare. 

 

Some of those policies were put into place by Obama, no?

 

The Affordable Care Act was a step. It wasn't a final solution, it also wasn't designed to be. It was the best Obama could hope to do, and it was actually more or less a Republican blueprint from the 90's. It successfully tackled some things, while not being able to tackle other things (that Obama hoped he or others after him would be able to eventually tackle), and yeah, it made some things worse as well.

 

Obama was not the progressive savior/enemy most on the right OR left paint him out to be. He was a very by the book centrist when it came to actual policy. He got a lot done, and a lot of it done pretty well, but criticizing his achievements even when totally accurate and justified isn't really a good criticism of liberalism or anything being proposed by more progressive candidates now.

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

 

And not only did it confirm that Trump was not colluding with the Russians but that they knew it before he was appointed special counsel. Meanwhile we know Hilary hired Russians to BS about Trump.  But that's history.

 

Now we know that Joe Biden had a quid pro quo with Ukraine.  At best your hoping that Trump kinda sorta tried to do one. 

 

You couldn't confirm Trump's campaign narrative better than what you're doing. 

 

 

Is it a personal attack to say that you're completely brainwashed? Because, you are. Everything you typed in this post is either a lie or is just wrong.

[knapplc]

7 hours ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

Yup. Unfortunately. Trump will eat her alive on the campaign trail too. It's all he's good at.... I'm #TeamTulsi for what it's worth.

 

I think people will be surprised at how hostilely Trump is received on the campaign trail. He's being booed whenever he's not at one of his Hitler rallies. Heck, Melania got booed at a High School!  These are not popular people.

[Redux]

8 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

Literally every intelligence service has exonerated Biden.

 

Literally.

 

Every one.

 

Including people nominated by Trump.

 

The fact that you are completely clueless about this fact is troubling.

 

 

BUT

 

 

If you think what Biden is accused of doing (by Trump) is bad...

 

WHY DO YOU NOT DO THE SAME WONDERING ABOUT TRUMP HIMSELF WHO IS LITERALLY ACCUSED BY EVERY CONSTITUTIONALLY CREATED INVESTIGATIVE BODY IN THE AMERICAN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

 

Because the answer to that is either:

 

You are 100% unaware of the findings of our foundational investigative bodies

 

--OR--

 

The findings of those foundational investigative bodies are unpalatable to you.

 

Or, I don't need to go searching for a bunch of bad s#!t Trump did when that's literally 80% of the topics in this forum.  Do we really need another poster obsessed with that stuff repeating it over and over?  I know that would make me cool and help me fit in, but I don't care about that.

 

I'll type this in bold so you don't miss it or ignorenit this time.  I have little doubt that Trump did what he's been accused of.  But I also doubt that Biden is as squeaky clean as some of you are saying.. It's like being an Alabama fan saying "Yeah maybe Saban paid players, but you can't prove it!"  Meanwhile, Mississippi State is doing it too but nobody cares because they aren't on top right now so let em pay, until they are on top and then rally against them.

[knapplc]

10 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

Or, I don't need to go searching for a bunch of bad s#!t Trump did when that's literally 80% of the topics in this forum.  Do we really need another poster obsessed with that stuff repeating it over and over?  I know that would make me cool and help me fit in, but I don't care about that.

 

I'll type this in bold so you don't miss it or ignorenit this time.  I have little doubt that Trump did what he's been accused of.  But I also doubt that Biden is as squeaky clean as some of you are saying.. It's like being an Alabama fan saying "Yeah maybe Saban paid players, but you can't prove it!"  Meanwhile, Mississippi State is doing it too but nobody cares because they aren't on top right now so let em pay, until they are on top and then rally against them.

 

Why do you continue to demean those of us who expect a president to abide by the Constitution?  You claim we "go searching for a bunch of bad s#!t Trump did" when it's right there on the front page of every news site you pull up.  For me, because I follow newspapers and local stations from around the country, it's right there in my Twitter feed. 

 

You demean us by calling us "obsessed."  This is not a respectful term. Why do you treat us with disrespect, but demand respect for yourself? 

 

You demean us by claiming we're trying to make ourselves seem "cool" and "fit in."  We're trying to have adult conversations about very important things that impact our daily lives.  We don't need to be talked down to like that. Why do you do that?

 

Regarding the bold - nobody is saying Biden is "squeaky clean."  We know that the fake story Trump has accused him of isn't true. That's pretty much it.  Nobody here really seems to care about or like Biden. But we all understand that every time Trump talks about Biden it's an attempt to deflect from his own real crimes. 

 

If you have no doubt Trump is guilty, congratulations! You're in agreement with most everyone in this topic.

 

This is, what? The fourth day in a row you're coming back to this topic?  Have you read up on it yet, so you can discuss it from a knowledge-based position?  If not, would you like some links to good, informative articles?