If Frost is hired...recruiting

[GBRFAN]

6 hours ago, GBRFAN said:

 

Dude we can go around and around - which you like to do.  However taking data that is creditable and using MATH to determine trends in in no way "factually inaccurate".  That's one thing about math things are black and white.  All this makes your second sentence as OFF as your first.  Let's move on......

 

5 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Exactly.  I'd like to see your math, not just talk in generalities.

 

Ok - this is pretty simple:

i will list each year that involved BP or MR

followed by their class "average player rank"

followed by how that class ranked among the 11 years that involved these 2 coaches

 

2018 .8832 T1 MR

2017 .8781 04 MR

2016 .8686 06 MR

2015 .8616 09 BP****

2014 .8495 10 BP

2013 .8675 08 BP

2012 .8791 03 BP

2011 .8832 T1 BP

2010 .8729 05 BP

2009 .8675 07 BP

2008 .8406 11 BP^^^^

 

***(it is MR's class however almost all BP's recruits with the exception of 2-4 players that were added late by MR Jalin Barnett 0.9219 and Jordan Stevenson 0.9160 - also Matt Synder???? .8523) these players only made average #'s better - believe MR lost no one that would have lead to class avg going down)

 

^^^^ Don't recall if this class sucked because of BP or CallaClown - probably both should get equal credit for it (transition is always difficult)

 

So based on which classes ranked the best it looks like this:

T1 .8832 2018 MR

T1 .8832 2011 BP

03 .8791 2012 BP

04 .8781 2017 MR

05 .8729 2010 BP

06 .8686 2016 MR

07 .8675 2009 BP

08 .8675 2013 BP

09 .8616 2015 BP****

10 .8495 2014 BP

11 .8406 2008 BP^^^^

 

Clear to see who is top heavy and who is bottom heavy - there is no way to spin it  ---- the bottom classes are BP's

 

If you want to take all of BP's classes and average you get .8652 or average rank of 6.75th  for MR it is .8766 or 3.66th - i know this isn't exact because it doesn't include being adjusted for class size each year (this would be a very minor adjustment in either direction).  Even if you come up with a way to dump the 2015 class on MR you still have an advantage to MR at .8728 to .8657

 

MR: T1, 4, 6

BP: T1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11

 

You can say that 2015 and 2008 should be thrown out and that is partly correct - however those years did happen and with some additional research it could be proven who is mostly at fault for those two years.  Even if we dismiss those two years the averages and yearly ranks are still leaning one way.

 

Again I or no one else has stated that MR has recruited at a rate light years ahead of BP - however he was ahead.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2017 by GBRFAN

[Mavric]

46 minutes ago, GBRFAN said:

 

 

Ok - this is pretty simple:

i will list each year that involved BP or MR

followed by their class "average player rank"

followed by how that class ranked among the 11 years that involved these 2 coaches

 

2018 .8832 T1 MR

2017 .8781 04 MR

2016 .8686 06 MR

2015 .8616 09 BP****

2014 .8495 10 BP

2013 .8675 08 BP

2012 .8791 03 BP

2011 .8832 T1 BP

2010 .8729 05 BP

2009 .8675 07 BP

2008 .8406 11 BP^^^^

 

***(it is MR's class however almost all BP's recruits with the exception of 2-4 players that were added late by MR Jalin Barnett 0.9219 and Jordan Stevenson 0.9160 - also Matt Synder???? .8523) these players only made average #'s better - believe MR lost no one that would have lead to class avg going down)

 

^^^^ Don't recall if this class sucked because of BP or CallaClown - probably both should get equal credit for it (transition is always difficult)

 

So based on which classes ranked the best it looks like this:

T1 .8832 2018 MR

T1 .8832 2011 BP

03 .8791 2012 BP

04 .8781 2017 MR

05 .8729 2010 BP

06 .8686 2016 MR

07 .8675 2009 BP

08 .8675 2013 BP

09 .8616 2015 BP****

10 .8495 2014 BP

11 .8406 2008 BP^^^^

 

Clear to see who is top heavy and who is bottom heavy - there is no way to spin it  ---- the bottom classes are BP's

 

If you want to take all of BP's classes and average you get .8652 or average rank of 6.75th  for MR it is .8766 or 3.66th - i know this isn't exact because it doesn't include being adjusted for class size each year (this would be a very minor adjustment in either direction).  Even if you come up with a way to dump the 2015 class on MR you still have an advantage to MR at .8728 to .8657

 

MR: T1, 4, 6

BP: T1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11

 

You can say that 2015 and 2008 should be thrown out and that is partly correct - however those years did happen and with some additional research it could be proven who is mostly at fault for those two years.  Even if we dismiss those two years the averages and yearly ranks are still leaning one way.

 

Again I or no one else has stated that MR has recruited at a rate light years ahead of BP - however he was ahead.

 

So you're having to include the current class that has no hope of finishing that high and wouldn't have even if Riley stayed to make your argument work?  I guess that makes sense why your math works the way you want it to when you include fantasy numbers.

 

The transition classes shouldn't count toward anyone.  The 2018 class can't be included at least until it's finished and will be another transition class.   Thus, that leaves you with the following - I've added the number of four-stars in each class.

 

1 .8832 2011 -9- BP
2 .8791 2012 -8- BP
3 .8781 2017 -6- MR
4 .8729 2010 -5- BP
5 .8686 2016 -5- MR
6 .8675 2009 -2- BP
7 .8675 2013 -7-BP
8 .8495 2014 -2- BP
 

So, like I said, the MATH does not show anything that proves that Riley has out-recruited Pelini.  Pelini has the two best classes, one by a fair margin.  Their average class is basically the same.  The most that can be said is their overall results are roughly equivalent - Pelini had higher highs and lower lows, Riley as a pretty small sample size to look at but was more steady.

[GBRFAN]

21 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

So you're having to include the current class that has no hope of finishing that high and wouldn't have even if Riley stayed to make your argument work?  I guess that makes sense why your math works the way you want it to when you include fantasy numbers.

 

The transition classes shouldn't count toward anyone.  The 2018 class can't be included at least until it's finished and will be another transition class.   Thus, that leaves you with the following - I've added the number of four-stars in each class.

 

1 .8832 2011 -9- BP
2 .8791 2012 -8- BP
3 .8781 2017 -6- MR
4 .8729 2010 -5- BP
5 .8686 2016 -5- MR
6 .8675 2009 -2- BP
7 .8675 2013 -7-BP
8 .8495 2014 -2- BP
 

So, like I said, the MATH does not show anything that proves that Riley has out-recruited Pelini.  Pelini has the two best classes, one by a fair margin.  Their average class is basically the same.  The most that can be said is their overall results are basically the same - Pelini had higher highs and lower lows, Riley as a pretty small sample size to look at.

 

This is typical of you -  So some MAVism's:

- the current class which is real data is considered "fantasy numbers"

- adding new info that wasn't even being discussed (4 star recruits) do you know how much difference there is between a high 3 star and a 4 star?

- MATH does not show anything that proves MR out recruited BP - more to come on this*****

- Pelini has the best class by far - because you threw out MR's current class that may or may not stick.  Funny how MR was able to hold 2015 class and Scott Frost wont be able to hold 2018 class

- average class is basically the same.  I did well in MATH and never answered a question with "basically the same"

-...."shouldn't count"......."can't be included" - i'm glad you get to make the rules.

 

Even with all your rules and deletions that clearly favor BP it still comes out to this:

MR 3, 5  - 4.00th

BP 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8   - 4.66th

 

***** here is the MATH with your stipulations

MR .8734

BP  .8700

 

It would have been fun playing sports with you as a kid.  Ok guys here are the rules:  I get to pick my team first and and we get 4 outs instead of 3.  Oh by the way if he scores it doesn't count because he lives on the other side of the street.   So that was a fun day i know the score was 7 to 8 but it was basically a TIE.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2017 by GBRFAN

[GBRFAN]

Good night MAV - see you in the morning

[Mavric]

7 minutes ago, GBRFAN said:

This is typical of you -  So some MAVism's:

- the current class which is real data is considered "fantasy numbers"

It's a fantasy number because it was always going to go down.  Every class does.  As you miss out on your bigger fish you finish the class with lower-rated players - or don't fill your class which doesn't show up in the numbers but is also why the two Riley classes are a little mis-leading.  They didn't fill the class and now we have the fewest number of scholarship guys we've had in quite some time.  It's not that it's not real data.  It's that it isn't useful for comparison because it's in a different state than all the others.

 

7 minutes ago, GBRFAN said:

- adding new info that wasn't even being discussed (4 star recruits) do you know how much difference there is between a high 3 star and a 4 star?

So now you're the one who gets to set the rules as to what's included and what's not?  Funny how that seems to be a one-way street with you.

 

7 minutes ago, GBRFAN said:

- Pelini has the best class by far - because you threw out MR's current class that may or may not stick.  Funny how MR was able to hold 2015 class and Scott Frost wont be able to hold 2018 class

As I said before, the reason it's not helpful to look at this year's class is that it's not finished.  It's not even so much whether those guys stick or not.  It's where they are going to find the 10 or so guys to fill out the class - the difference between how many commits we have now and how many we can sign for a full class.

 

7 minutes ago, GBRFAN said:

-...."shouldn't count"......."can't be included" - i'm glad you get to make the rules.

Like I said, you're trying to set the rules your way.  So I guess we're both in the same boat.  Other than I have provided logical reasons for the data I included.

 

7 minutes ago, GBRFAN said:

Even with all your rules and deletions that clearly favor BP it still comes out to this:

MR 3, 5  - 4.00th

BP 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8   - 4.66th

 

***** here is the MATH with your stipulations

MR .8734

BP  .8700

Like I said, their average is basically the same.  That's a 0.39% difference between their average ranking.  Thanks for proving my point.

 

7 minutes ago, GBRFAN said:

It would have been fun playing sports with you as a kid.  Ok guys here are the rules:  I get to pick my team first and and we get 4 outs instead of 3.  Oh by the way if he scores it doesn't count because he lives on the other side of the street.   So that was a fun day i know the score was 7 to 8 but it was basically a TIE.

Nice that you have to resort to trolling personal attacks to try to win your arguments.

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[GBRFAN]

17 hours ago, Mavric said:

It's a fantasy number because it was always going to go down.  Every class does.  As you miss out on your bigger fish you finish the class with lower-rated players - or don't fill your class which doesn't show up in the numbers but is also why the two Riley classes are a little mis-leading.  They didn't fill the class and now we have the fewest number of scholarship guys we've had in quite some time.  It's not that it's not real data.  It's that it isn't useful for comparison because it's in a different state than all the others.

 

So now you're the one who gets to set the rules as to what's included and what's not?  Funny how that seems to be a one-way street with you.

 

As I said before, the reason it's not helpful to look at this year's class is that it's not finished.  It's not even so much whether those guys stick or not.  It's where they are going to find the 10 or so guys to fill out the class - the difference between how many commits we have now and how many we can sign for a full class.

 

Like I said, you're trying to set the rules your way.  So I guess we're both in the same boat.  Other than I have provided logical reasons for the data I included.

 

Like I said, their average is basically the same.  That's a 0.39% difference between their average ranking.  Thanks for proving my point.

 

Nice that you have to resort to trolling personal attacks to try to win your arguments.

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I owe you one - cheers to you!!!!

Edited November 23, 2017 by GBRFAN