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Posted Yesterday, 10:15 AM

^ Groups like Westboro are actually the natural outcome of the kinds of belief systems put forward by knapp. "If the Bible is to be trusted, then it has to all be literally true, in the context that we as 21st century Americans read it." Well how do we read it in a straight forwarded literal sense? We read that God is a genocidal maniac ready to strike out at any time in wrath.


If the only thing you get from a literal reading of the Bible is that God is a genocidal maniac, you may need to re-read it.

The Westboro Baptists are nutters. They aren't a product of anyone's belief system but their own. Putting that on me is a way of minimizing my argument and it's intellectually unfair.

If you give the texts a proper shake, though, you can come to a very reasonable conclusion that the God of the OT was presented in a way that ancient near eastern people would have understood God - namely, a being concerned with their military might and the acquisition of land. Same thing with the Ark of the Covenant - God dwelt inside the arc, because that was the sort of thing that different gods did around Mesopatamia back then. The Bible is a constantly, highly contextualized dialogue about what exactly this God really is, and the culmination is in Jesus, who preached love, grace, forgiveness, and non-violence.


You could also come to the very reasonable conclusion that the god of the Old Testament is no different than any other god of the region, that he changed and took on forms of other religions as the Hebrews were influenced by them, and that following a progression of their history and the religions of the peoples they interacted with shows that their god is no more real than Baal, Ammon, or any other god of the time.
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Posted Yesterday, 10:17 AM

 

^ Groups like Westboro are actually the natural outcome of the kinds of belief systems put forward by knapp. "If the Bible is to be trusted, then it has to all be literally true, in the context that we as 21st century Americans read it." Well how do we read it in a straight forwarded literal sense? We read that God is a genocidal maniac ready to strike out at any time in wrath.


If the only thing you get from a literal reading of the Bible is that God is a genocidal maniac, you may need to re-read it.

The Westboro Baptists are nutters. They aren't a product of anyone's belief system but their own. Putting that on me is a way of minimizing my argument and it's intellectually unfair.

If you give the texts a proper shake, though, you can come to a very reasonable conclusion that the God of the OT was presented in a way that ancient near eastern people would have understood God - namely, a being concerned with their military might and the acquisition of land. Same thing with the Ark of the Covenant - God dwelt inside the arc, because that was the sort of thing that different gods did around Mesopatamia back then. The Bible is a constantly, highly contextualized dialogue about what exactly this God really is, and the culmination is in Jesus, who preached love, grace, forgiveness, and non-violence.


You could also come to the very reasonable conclusion that the god of the Old Testament is no different than any other god of the region, that he changed and took on forms of other religions as the Hebrews were influenced by them, and that following a progression of their history and the religions of the peoples they interacted with shows that their god is no more real than Baal, Ammon, or any other god of the time.

 

 

 

 

To your first point, that's not the only thing you can get from that approach, but it's definitely one of the things you get.

 

To your second point, I agree.


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Posted Yesterday, 02:13 PM

Religion isn't a thing that can be blamed for human actions.  Religion is a human construct.  It is no more to blame for bad actions than sport, nationalism, politics, love, money, or anything else humans create to explain their existence. 
 
Religion is not inherently bad.  Like a spoon or a pillow, it can be misused for bad things.  But by its nature it is not bad. 
 
Blaming religion for anything is a copout.  It's humans who are to blame.  Every time.

I disagree.  Blaming religion, and the people who commit violent acts in their religion's name, is warranted.
 
For example, Let's say I am not religious at all but I am searching for meaning.  I pick up a New King James Bible, the Quran, or some other similar holy book.  Further, had never really thought of, or considered, that being gay was "wrong."  I always thought, meh, it's not for me but if someone is, that's their orientation.  In addition, I've never thought that anyone who believes differently than I do is necessarily wrong.  Then religion gets ahold of me.  Suddenly, anyone who doesn't believe what I do, is "going to hell" or they are a sinner and need to repent to "their god."  (Because everyone else's god is the wrong one.)
 
Religion, just took someone who was formerly not a bigot and twisted them into one.  So yes, you can absolutely blame religion.

You're just blaming humans.  Take religion out of the equation and humans still do this stuff.

I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think what Chimichangas is kind of saying is that religion can influence people's thoughts and beliefs. Which in turn can influence their actions.

Which is true.

You seem to be saying people do bad things even without religious influence - even if religion was never invented people would still do bad things.

Which is also true.

These two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Not to pile on or anything. I've agreed with the majority of your salient points in this thread, but I think you're kind of talking past him on this one.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:19 PM

Over the course of this thread, I think its been concluded, by the Christian posters that everyone has their own interpretation of God and their own interpretation of the Bible.  Therefore, we can conclude that there is no correct way to practice the religion. The only person on this thread saying the Bible is as and God is as, is Knapp and he is being crucified for it.  The only thing people have agreed on in this thread is that Jesus is the son of God and the savior of the world.  Other than that, Christianity is practiced by each person in their own interpretation.
 
So lets take the WBC for example since most people have heard of them.  Their interpretation of the religion is Old Testament.  They believe God is a hateful, vengeful and malicious, just like the God of the Old Testament.  That's what they believe and that is what their pastors teach.  So yes, they are promoting bigotry and hatred.  And because Christianity is apparently open for interpretation, you can conclude that their way is not necessarily wrong, it is just interpreted differently from others.  Instead of teaching love and forgiveness like most churches, they hold up signs and funerals telling family members their loved one is burning in hell.
 
So yes, I will agree with you that most churches/pastors teach the Gospel and not the OT.  But if you look hard enough you can find groups other than WBC and individuals who promote hate and bigotry.  Most of those people believe and practice with a literal interpretation of the bible.

To the bolded, no, it's the opposite of that. There are many ways to practice the religion and interpret the Bible that don't lead to going to hell (and are therefore correct). I've said over and over that I don't think God is petty enough to send people to hell over misunderstanding this or that verse in The Bible.

To the rest... I don't follow the logic. Anyone who hurts people because religion told them to is wrong. Morality doesn't come just from religion. Hurting people is wrong.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:32 PM

Religion isn't a thing that can be blamed for human actions.  Religion is a human construct.  It is no more to blame for bad actions than sport, nationalism, politics, love, money, or anything else humans create to explain their existence. 
 
Religion is not inherently bad.  Like a spoon or a pillow, it can be misused for bad things.  But by its nature it is not bad. 
 
Blaming religion for anything is a copout.  It's humans who are to blame.  Every time.

I disagree.  Blaming religion, and the people who commit violent acts in their religion's name, is warranted.
 
For example, Let's say I am not religious at all but I am searching for meaning.  I pick up a New King James Bible, the Quran, or some other similar holy book.  Further, had never really thought of, or considered, that being gay was "wrong."  I always thought, meh, it's not for me but if someone is, that's their orientation.  In addition, I've never thought that anyone who believes differently than I do is necessarily wrong.  Then religion gets ahold of me.  Suddenly, anyone who doesn't believe what I do, is "going to hell" or they are a sinner and need to repent to "their god."  (Because everyone else's god is the wrong one.)
 
Religion, just took someone who was formerly not a bigot and twisted them into one.  So yes, you can absolutely blame religion.


You're just blaming humans.  Take religion out of the equation and humans still do this stuff.


I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think what Chimichangas is kind of saying is that religion can influence people's thoughts and beliefs. Which in turn can influence their actions.

Which is true.

You seem to be saying people do bad things even without religious influence - even if religion was never invented people would still do bad things.

Which is also true.

These two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Not to pile on or anything. I've agreed with the majority of your salient points in this thread, but I think you're kind of talking past him on this one.


Maybe. I think I do that a lot, not necessarily intentionally.

I just think blaming religion (or guns, or drugs, or gambling) doesn't get to the root of the problem. All of those things are fine, but all can be abused.

Rather than point a finger at religion, I think we're better served examining what it is in humans that makes them take something that ostensibly should be a force for good and makes them turn it into an instrument of harm.
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Posted Yesterday, 03:26 PM

 

Over the course of this thread, I think its been concluded, by the Christian posters that everyone has their own interpretation of God and their own interpretation of the Bible.  Therefore, we can conclude that there is no correct way to practice the religion. The only person on this thread saying the Bible is as and God is as, is Knapp and he is being crucified for it.  The only thing people have agreed on in this thread is that Jesus is the son of God and the savior of the world.  Other than that, Christianity is practiced by each person in their own interpretation.
 
So lets take the WBC for example since most people have heard of them.  Their interpretation of the religion is Old Testament.  They believe God is a hateful, vengeful and malicious, just like the God of the Old Testament.  That's what they believe and that is what their pastors teach.  So yes, they are promoting bigotry and hatred.  And because Christianity is apparently open for interpretation, you can conclude that their way is not necessarily wrong, it is just interpreted differently from others.  Instead of teaching love and forgiveness like most churches, they hold up signs and funerals telling family members their loved one is burning in hell.
 
So yes, I will agree with you that most churches/pastors teach the Gospel and not the OT.  But if you look hard enough you can find groups other than WBC and individuals who promote hate and bigotry.  Most of those people believe and practice with a literal interpretation of the bible.

To the bolded, no, it's the opposite of that. There are many ways to practice the religion and interpret the Bible that don't lead to going to hell (and are therefore correct). I've said over and over that I don't think God is petty enough to send people to hell over misunderstanding this or that verse in The Bible.

To the rest... I don't follow the logic. Anyone who hurts people because religion told them to is wrong. Morality doesn't come just from religion. Hurting people is wrong.

 

 

Good, Im glad people who misunderstand the Bible will not be damned to hell.  But someone like me, never committed a crime, work in healthcare helping people for a living and live my life by the golden rule will be damned to hell for an eternity of torture.  When I was once a devout follower of Christ.  God wanted to test my faith so he planted all these questions in my head then he didn't help me find the answers, and now Im going to hell with people such as Hitler, Castro and Osama Bin Laden .  That's pretty f'd up.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:26 PM

Religion isn't a thing that can be blamed for human actions.  Religion is a human construct.  It is no more to blame for bad actions than sport, nationalism, politics, love, money, or anything else humans create to explain their existence.  Religion is not inherently bad.  Like a spoon or a pillow, it can be misused for bad things.  But by its nature it is not bad.  Blaming religion for anything is a copout.  It's humans who are to blame.  Every time.

I disagree.  Blaming religion, and the people who commit violent acts in their religion's name, is warranted. For example, Let's say I am not religious at all but I am searching for meaning.  I pick up a New King James Bible, the Quran, or some other similar holy book.  Further, had never really thought of, or considered, that being gay was "wrong."  I always thought, meh, it's not for me but if someone is, that's their orientation.  In addition, I've never thought that anyone who believes differently than I do is necessarily wrong.  Then religion gets ahold of me.  Suddenly, anyone who doesn't believe what I do, is "going to hell" or they are a sinner and need to repent to "their god."  (Because everyone else's god is the wrong one.) Religion, just took someone who was formerly not a bigot and twisted them into one.  So yes, you can absolutely blame religion.
You're just blaming humans.  Take religion out of the equation and humans still do this stuff.
I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think what Chimichangas is kind of saying is that religion can influence people's thoughts and beliefs. Which in turn can influence their actions.Which is true.You seem to be saying people do bad things even without religious influence - even if religion was never invented people would still do bad things.Which is also true.These two things aren't mutually exclusive.Not to pile on or anything. I've agreed with the majority of your salient points in this thread, but I think you're kind of talking past him on this one.
Maybe. I think I do that a lot, not necessarily intentionally.I just think blaming religion (or guns, or drugs, or gambling) doesn't get to the root of the problem. All of those things are fine, but all can be abused.Rather than point a finger at religion, I think we're better served examining what it is in humans that makes them take something that ostensibly should be a force for good and makes them turn it into an instrument of harm.

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Posted Yesterday, 04:20 PM

 

 

Over the course of this thread, I think its been concluded, by the Christian posters that everyone has their own interpretation of God and their own interpretation of the Bible.  Therefore, we can conclude that there is no correct way to practice the religion. The only person on this thread saying the Bible is as and God is as, is Knapp and he is being crucified for it.  The only thing people have agreed on in this thread is that Jesus is the son of God and the savior of the world.  Other than that, Christianity is practiced by each person in their own interpretation.
 
So lets take the WBC for example since most people have heard of them.  Their interpretation of the religion is Old Testament.  They believe God is a hateful, vengeful and malicious, just like the God of the Old Testament.  That's what they believe and that is what their pastors teach.  So yes, they are promoting bigotry and hatred.  And because Christianity is apparently open for interpretation, you can conclude that their way is not necessarily wrong, it is just interpreted differently from others.  Instead of teaching love and forgiveness like most churches, they hold up signs and funerals telling family members their loved one is burning in hell.
 
So yes, I will agree with you that most churches/pastors teach the Gospel and not the OT.  But if you look hard enough you can find groups other than WBC and individuals who promote hate and bigotry.  Most of those people believe and practice with a literal interpretation of the bible.

To the bolded, no, it's the opposite of that. There are many ways to practice the religion and interpret the Bible that don't lead to going to hell (and are therefore correct). I've said over and over that I don't think God is petty enough to send people to hell over misunderstanding this or that verse in The Bible.

To the rest... I don't follow the logic. Anyone who hurts people because religion told them to is wrong. Morality doesn't come just from religion. Hurting people is wrong.

 

 

Good, Im glad people who misunderstand the Bible will not be damned to hell.  But someone like me, never committed a crime, work in healthcare helping people for a living and live my life by the golden rule will be damned to hell for an eternity of torture.  When I was once a devout follower of Christ.  God wanted to test my faith so he planted all these questions in my head then he didn't help me find the answers, and now Im going to hell with people such as Hitler, Castro and Osama Bin Laden .  That's pretty f'd up.

 

Don't worry Rike, I'm thinking (like AC/DC says) hell ain't a bad place to be.  One widely held concept of hell is simply being absent the presence of God. It's not necessarily fire and brimstone and the gnashing of teeth.  This might just be me running off the rails with my own thoughts again but I really don't think God the creator put us in this situation for 70-80ish years, with the odds of really knowing him so slim, just so he could torture us for all of eternity.  Worst case, I'll be chillin' in my mansion sucking down Mai Tai's and you'll maybe be relegated to mixing the drinks in the basement :P


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Posted Yesterday, 04:25 PM

 

 

 

Over the course of this thread, I think its been concluded, by the Christian posters that everyone has their own interpretation of God and their own interpretation of the Bible.  Therefore, we can conclude that there is no correct way to practice the religion. The only person on this thread saying the Bible is as and God is as, is Knapp and he is being crucified for it.  The only thing people have agreed on in this thread is that Jesus is the son of God and the savior of the world.  Other than that, Christianity is practiced by each person in their own interpretation.
 
So lets take the WBC for example since most people have heard of them.  Their interpretation of the religion is Old Testament.  They believe God is a hateful, vengeful and malicious, just like the God of the Old Testament.  That's what they believe and that is what their pastors teach.  So yes, they are promoting bigotry and hatred.  And because Christianity is apparently open for interpretation, you can conclude that their way is not necessarily wrong, it is just interpreted differently from others.  Instead of teaching love and forgiveness like most churches, they hold up signs and funerals telling family members their loved one is burning in hell.
 
So yes, I will agree with you that most churches/pastors teach the Gospel and not the OT.  But if you look hard enough you can find groups other than WBC and individuals who promote hate and bigotry.  Most of those people believe and practice with a literal interpretation of the bible.

To the bolded, no, it's the opposite of that. There are many ways to practice the religion and interpret the Bible that don't lead to going to hell (and are therefore correct). I've said over and over that I don't think God is petty enough to send people to hell over misunderstanding this or that verse in The Bible.

To the rest... I don't follow the logic. Anyone who hurts people because religion told them to is wrong. Morality doesn't come just from religion. Hurting people is wrong.

 

 

Good, Im glad people who misunderstand the Bible will not be damned to hell.  But someone like me, never committed a crime, work in healthcare helping people for a living and live my life by the golden rule will be damned to hell for an eternity of torture.  When I was once a devout follower of Christ.  God wanted to test my faith so he planted all these questions in my head then he didn't help me find the answers, and now Im going to hell with people such as Hitler, Castro and Osama Bin Laden .  That's pretty f'd up.

 

Don't worry Rike, I'm thinking (like AC/DC says) hell ain't a bad place to be.  One widely held concept of hell is simply being absent the presence of God. It's not necessarily fire and brimstone and the gnashing of teeth.  This might just be me running off the rails with my own thoughts again but I really don't think God the creator put us in this situation for 70-80ish years, with the odds of really knowing him so slim, just so he could torture us for all of eternity.  Worst case, I'll be chillin' in my mansion sucking down Mai Tai's and you'll maybe be relegated to mixing the drinks in the basement :P

 

 

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Posted Yesterday, 04:37 PM

Good, Im glad people who misunderstand the Bible will not be damned to hell.  But someone like me, never committed a crime, work in healthcare helping people for a living and live my life by the golden rule will be damned to hell for an eternity of torture.  When I was once a devout follower of Christ.  God wanted to test my faith so he planted all these questions in my head then he didn't help me find the answers, and now Im going to hell with people such as Hitler, Castro and Osama Bin Laden .  That's pretty f'd up.

 

 

I don't think so, personally.


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Posted Yesterday, 04:45 PM

 

 

 

Religion isn't a thing that can be blamed for human actions.  Religion is a human construct.  It is no more to blame for bad actions than sport, nationalism, politics, love, money, or anything else humans create to explain their existence. 
 
Religion is not inherently bad.  Like a spoon or a pillow, it can be misused for bad things.  But by its nature it is not bad. 
 
Blaming religion for anything is a copout.  It's humans who are to blame.  Every time.

I disagree.  Blaming religion, and the people who commit violent acts in their religion's name, is warranted.
 
For example, Let's say I am not religious at all but I am searching for meaning.  I pick up a New King James Bible, the Quran, or some other similar holy book.  Further, had never really thought of, or considered, that being gay was "wrong."  I always thought, meh, it's not for me but if someone is, that's their orientation.  In addition, I've never thought that anyone who believes differently than I do is necessarily wrong.  Then religion gets ahold of me.  Suddenly, anyone who doesn't believe what I do, is "going to hell" or they are a sinner and need to repent to "their god."  (Because everyone else's god is the wrong one.)
 
Religion, just took someone who was formerly not a bigot and twisted them into one.  So yes, you can absolutely blame religion.
 
And yes, I am talking almost exclusively about the religious crazies who take their religion too far.

Tell me which religion, as a base core tenet is promoting bigotry and hatred. Not some perverted offshoot or some band of crazies like Westbrook but an actual religion that pushes this. I bet if you consider it completely you will find that people are the real problem. I might be open to revising my thoughts if you can convince me this bigotry and hatred only manifests from religion and is not found in any other source.

 

 

Over the course of this thread, I think its been concluded, by the Christian posters that everyone has their own interpretation of God and their own interpretation of the Bible.  Therefore, we can conclude that there is no correct way to practice the religion.  The only person on this thread saying the Bible is as and God is as, is Knapp and he is being crucified for it.  The only thing people have agreed on in this thread is that Jesus is the son of God and the savior of the world.  Other than that, Christianity is practiced by each person in their own interpretation.

 

So lets take the WBC for example since most people have heard of them.  Their interpretation of the religion is Old Testament.  They believe God is a hateful, vengeful and malicious, just like the God of the Old Testament.  That's what they believe and that is what their pastors teach.  So yes, they are promoting bigotry and hatred.  And because Christianity is apparently open for interpretation, you can conclude that their way is not necessarily wrong, it is just interpreted differently from others.  Instead of teaching love and forgiveness like most churches, they hold up signs and funerals telling family members their loved one is burning in hell.

 

So yes, I will agree with you that most churches/pastors teach the Gospel and not the OT.  But if you look hard enough you can find groups other than WBC and individuals who promote hate and bigotry.  Most of those people believe and practice with a literal interpretation of the bible.

 

Would these people be loving and productive members of society without religion?  Who knows.  Some would be and some would probably still be hateful pieces of sh#t.  But if these children that are standing out and holding hateful signs and being taught every week to hate people were growing up in loving and productive families instead, they'd have a better chance of turning out to be amazing people with or without religion.

 

 

I won't disagree with what your saying about religion here but I think it bears pointing out that religion, as it is being used and referred to in this thread, is a human construct.  As soon as one other person interprets the intention or purpose of the Bible or an organized religion, it becomes a human caused issue. Yes, religion has done horrible things but that religion is comprised of people. So, as The Dude pointed out, the two things aren't mutually exclusive and I would say they are actually one in the same thing, people problems.  The solution to me would appear to be getting to know God on a personal level.  Not that that is any easy thing but it does help prevent being led astray by evil people and, if you go off the deep end all on your own, at least you've got nobody to blame but yourself.

 

I've never really understood how groups like WBC gain any traction or members. If a good person is really searching for answers and God, how do they allow a message of hate into their hearts and think yeah, this seems right? As everyone is so quick to point out, we do have a moral code somewhat built into us. Seems like people would have to wantonly ignore that little voice to wind up going down the wrong road. And that is also why religion can be a good thing, if it helps remind people to stay on the right path. I just think religion needs to be tempered with what we know in our hearts to be good.


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Posted Yesterday, 04:56 PM

 

Good, Im glad people who misunderstand the Bible will not be damned to hell.  But someone like me, never committed a crime, work in healthcare helping people for a living and live my life by the golden rule will be damned to hell for an eternity of torture.  When I was once a devout follower of Christ.  God wanted to test my faith so he planted all these questions in my head then he didn't help me find the answers, and now Im going to hell with people such as Hitler, Castro and Osama Bin Laden .  That's pretty f'd up.

 

 

I don't think so, personally.

 

 

That Im going to hell?  Or that its f'd up?


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Posted Yesterday, 05:04 PM

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Posted Yesterday, 05:05 PM

 

 

Good, Im glad people who misunderstand the Bible will not be damned to hell.  But someone like me, never committed a crime, work in healthcare helping people for a living and live my life by the golden rule will be damned to hell for an eternity of torture.  When I was once a devout follower of Christ.  God wanted to test my faith so he planted all these questions in my head then he didn't help me find the answers, and now Im going to hell with people such as Hitler, Castro and Osama Bin Laden .  That's pretty f'd up.

 

 

I don't think so, personally.

 

 

That Im going to hell?  Or that its f'd up?

 

Oh you're going to hell all right, quit trying to get out of it on a technicality :lol:  Landlord can't save you now.

 

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Posted Yesterday, 05:21 PM

 

 

 

Good, Im glad people who misunderstand the Bible will not be damned to hell.  But someone like me, never committed a crime, work in healthcare helping people for a living and live my life by the golden rule will be damned to hell for an eternity of torture.  When I was once a devout follower of Christ.  God wanted to test my faith so he planted all these questions in my head then he didn't help me find the answers, and now Im going to hell with people such as Hitler, Castro and Osama Bin Laden .  That's pretty f'd up.

 

 

I don't think so, personally.

 

 

That Im going to hell?  Or that its f'd up?

 

Oh you're going to hell all right, quit trying to get out of it on a technicality :lol:  Landlord can't save you now.

 

/jk

 

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Posted Yesterday, 05:28 PM

What happens to Agnostics such as myself?
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Posted Yesterday, 05:37 PM

What happens to Agnostics such as myself?


Hell. Nuff said.
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Posted Yesterday, 05:39 PM

Sorry, that's the Catholic in me coming out.

Hope everybody realizes I'm just joking....
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Posted Yesterday, 05:41 PM

What happens to Agnostics such as myself?


Pretty sure you're tossed into Dante's Third Level of Hell, where you're forced to eat pizza with pineapple.
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Posted Yesterday, 06:20 PM

What happens to Agnostics such as myself?

Pretty sure you're tossed into Dante's Third Level of Hell, where you're forced to eat pizza with pineapple.
Sign me up!
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#371 Moiraine

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Posted Yesterday, 06:21 PM

What happens to Agnostics such as myself?



I don't know about agnostics in general, but you're going to hell.
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Posted Yesterday, 06:43 PM

 

What happens to Agnostics such as myself?


Hell. Nuff said.

 

I thought it was eternal nickelback concerts?


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Posted Yesterday, 06:48 PM


 

What happens to Agnostics such as myself?

Hell. Nuff said.
 
I thought it was eternal nickelback concerts?

I thought we were all on the same page that they're one and the same.

Except that one song of theirs I like.
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Posted Yesterday, 08:56 PM

What happens to Agnostics such as myself?

Hell. Nuff said.
I thought it was eternal nickelback concerts?

I thought we were all on the same page that they're one and the same.
Except that one song of theirs I like.
Every girl loves "one" nickelback song...
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Posted Yesterday, 09:29 PM

What happens to Agnostics such as myself?

Pretty sure you're tossed into Dante's Third Level of Hell, where you're forced to eat pizza with pineapple.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:45 PM

What happens to Agnostics such as myself?

Hell. Nuff said.

I thought it was eternal nickelback concerts?


I thought we were all on the same page that they're one and the same.
Except that one song of theirs I like.

Every girl loves "one" nickelback song...


I like this song and have it on my phone and I don't care what anyone thinks.


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