Texas just screwed the B12

[husker_99]

the main difference though is that Notre Dame is independent, whereas Texas just acts like they are even though they are in a major conference bleeding it dry.

 

Texas doesn't have the prestige like Notre Dame to be an independent and still expect an AQ. Won't ever happen.

[walksalone]

the main difference though is that Notre Dame is independent, whereas Texas just acts like they are even though they are in a major conference bleeding it dry.

 

Texas doesn't have the prestige like Notre Dame to be an independent and still expect an AQ. Won't ever happen.

 

Doesn't mean their necessarily not dumb enough to try..

[bhunt7]

They're a five-win team this year, in one sport, a sport where they were in the MNC game last year. Texas is not really analogous to Notre Dame here. Texas is a perennial power in a huge football state with several large media markets and a broader national appeal. It's a pretty smart deal for ESPN in football alone.

 

But the Longhorns also typically excel at men's hoops, women's volleyball, baseball and a few other Olympic sports. They have a darned good athletic program down in Austin, and they'll have no trouble filling air time. Heck, I'd like the Bevo network just to watch their women's VB matches.

Come on man! How can you put Texas above Notre Dame. Texas is a fad, Notre Dame is backed a religion. 11 titles and 7 Heisman's are much greater than 10 years of being pretty good.

[knapplc]

They're a five-win team this year, in one sport, a sport where they were in the MNC game last year. Texas is not really analogous to Notre Dame here. Texas is a perennial power in a huge football state with several large media markets and a broader national appeal. It's a pretty smart deal for ESPN in football alone.

 

But the Longhorns also typically excel at men's hoops, women's volleyball, baseball and a few other Olympic sports. They have a darned good athletic program down in Austin, and they'll have no trouble filling air time. Heck, I'd like the Bevo network just to watch their women's VB matches.

Come on man! How can you put Texas above Notre Dame. Texas is a fad, Notre Dame is backed a religion. 11 titles and 7 Heisman's are much greater than 10 years of being pretty good.

I'm certainly NOT putting Texas above Notre Dame. Notre Dame is the acme of college football. There's no question about that.

 

Texas isn't a fad, though. They're a well-financed, well-supported team that has been in the national spotlight longer than Nebraska. From Dana Bible to Darrell Royal to Mack Brown, they have had legendary coaches, legendary players, and legions of fans. Everyone knows how rabid Texas is for football - the Texas Longhorns are without question the preeminent college football team down there.

 

The fact that Texas has hilariously underperformed over the past umpteen decades doesn't mean they don't have the backing and financial wherewithal to make their own network succeed. They certainly do.

[VectorVictor]

They're a five-win team this year, in one sport, a sport where they were in the MNC game last year. Texas is not really analogous to Notre Dame here. Texas is a perennial power in a huge football state with several large media markets and a broader national appeal. It's a pretty smart deal for ESPN in football alone.

 

But the Longhorns also typically excel at men's hoops, women's volleyball, baseball and a few other Olympic sports. They have a darned good athletic program down in Austin, and they'll have no trouble filling air time. Heck, I'd like the Bevo network just to watch their women's VB matches.

Come on man! How can you put Texas above Notre Dame. Texas is a fad, Notre Dame is backed a religion. 11 titles and 7 Heisman's are much greater than 10 years of being pretty good.

 

Then what do you call BYU? Sure they're private and religion-based, but they're decidedly inferior to Notre Dame in every way and pulled in a better TV deal than the 'Domers when they went independent.

 

If you're Texas, you have to look at that TV deal and know you can do better than Notre Dame and especially BYU, just based off of sheer TV numbers and marketing prowess alone. While Texas may think they're in control of the Big 1210, Oklahoma and A&M won't let this channel ride--they're either looking for a way out or a way to do their own channel, and the latter won't happen in the same fashion as ESPN 8 "The 'Whorcho" did.

 

Texas has a question posed to them similar to Nebraska, in a few regards--do they want to leave the Big 1210 on their own terms and at a time of their choosing, or do they want the matter forced upon them when (take your pick: A&M, Oklahoma, Okie Lite, Mizzery, Kansas) bolt and bring down their house of cards?

 

And to answer the BCS-qualifier question, Texas has enough money to buy their way in and ESPN now has a vested interest in making sure the 'Whorns go to a BCS bowl every year, even if they load up an independent schedule chock full of "Sisters of the Poor U" schools.

[VectorVictor]

If Turner Gill has any chance at all of surviving at Kansas, he better hope and pray that Kansas does indeed end up in the Big East.

 

Still think Kansas is a better candidate than Missouri for future Big 10 expansion--while folks thought Kansas and K-State were tethered together, Kansas' continued dalliance with the Big East affirms that they can strike out on their own without repercussions from the state legislature.

 

This alone should have Missouri concerned--while another poster did point out that Missouri may have better academics according to some services, Kansas had handily achieved more on the court, and it can be argued that Kansas has done more than Missouri in football as well.

 

And just to be honest, if you could pick one or the other to come into the Big 10, you'd be all over Kansas in a heartbeat--while we may lose to them on the court, they'd be a layup on our conference football schedule in a conference that have many easy wins.

Missouri brings about 500,000 more TV sets to the deal than Kansas does, and I'm not sure it can be argued they've done more in football. Pinkel has Missouri heading in the right direction.

 

Sure, the state of Missouri has 500k more sets, but remember that a) the Big 10 already has St. Louis on east as part of their TV "footprint" (so take at least half of those sets away), and B) Missouri doesn't carry their own state in TV coverage--Nebraska during football season and both Kansas and K-State carry just as well as Missouri, ratings-wise, in the KC and St. Louis markets. Plus, Kansas carries the rest of its state (FWIW), so the Big 10 would likely own Missouri during both basketball and football season, even if Missorui isn't a Big 10 member.

 

This is very reason the Big 10 passed over Missouri, and why Kansas (if they're not Big East bound) would be in the mix for Big 10 expansion to 14 teams--remember, the Big 10 is also programming for a TV network now, and not just adding a new university member.

[da skers]

They're a five-win team this year, in one sport, a sport where they were in the MNC game last year. Texas is not really analogous to Notre Dame here. Texas is a perennial power in a huge football state with several large media markets and a broader national appeal. It's a pretty smart deal for ESPN in football alone.

 

But the Longhorns also typically excel at men's hoops, women's volleyball, baseball and a few other Olympic sports. They have a darned good athletic program down in Austin, and they'll have no trouble filling air time. Heck, I'd like the Bevo network just to watch their women's VB matches.

Come on man! How can you put Texas above Notre Dame. Texas is a fad, Notre Dame is backed a religion. 11 titles and 7 Heisman's are much greater than 10 years of being pretty good.

 

Then what do you call BYU? Sure they're private and religion-based, but they're decidedly inferior to Notre Dame in every way and pulled in a better TV deal than the 'Domers when they went independent.

 

If you're Texas, you have to look at that TV deal and know you can do better than Notre Dame and especially BYU, just based off of sheer TV numbers and marketing prowess alone. While Texas may think they're in control of the Big 1210, Oklahoma and A&M won't let this channel ride--they're either looking for a way out or a way to do their own channel, and the latter won't happen in the same fashion as ESPN 8 "The 'Whorcho" did.

 

Texas has a question posed to them similar to Nebraska, in a few regards--do they want to leave the Big 1210 on their own terms and at a time of their choosing, or do they want the matter forced upon them when (take your pick: A&M, Oklahoma, Okie Lite, Mizzery, Kansas) bolt and bring down their house of cards?

 

And to answer the BCS-qualifier question, Texas has enough money to buy their way in and ESPN now has a vested interest in making sure the 'Whorns go to a BCS bowl every year, even if they load up an independent schedule chock full of "Sisters of the Poor U" schools.

BYU has all the Mormons and they support their people very well as it fits them. Remember it was a sin to drink soda pop until Pepsi was owned by a Mormon. Now its a sin to drink pop unless its a Pepsi product. The fact that the LDS is so huge in the US is why their TV deal is so big. It doesn't matter to the rest of the world what BYU does as long as the church people pony up. ND has too much competition and lets face it. . .the Catholics would rather spend their money on beer and dismissing sexual lawsuits against their priests.

[da skers]

Aside from football, who would want to watch this channel? Did anyone see the quote where they will be airing plays and musical performances for several hours a day? Who wants to watch that?

This guy:

 

Hmmm...I always thought that was a girl

 

 

this is what all the texas fans are gonna look like after sitting on their a*s for 30 hours a week wasting their life infront of the TV watching the Longshot network. they can have it. I really think it will fail. If NU had it, I wouldnt watch. there are other things in life to do beside watch one dimensional TV all day long . This is just another step towards the NCAA becoming pro. what a joke.Every year I lose a little more interest in College sports because of this crap. money buys championships.Everyday its a little more about the money, a little less about the sports/kids. good luck Big 12.

 

I also see failure ........... doesn't the other team also get part of the cash. I don't think any real sports will be live so I guess some may tune in to see reruns. Of course after this year they want to replay old seasons to try and trick their fans.

ESPN will pay the other team. Texas was guaranteed about 12.5 million a year regardless of the finances of the network. And honestly. . 12.5 in revenues is pretty easy to do. I worked for a small daily newspaper (about 20,000 circ) and our ad revenues were larger than that.

[fro daddy]

If Turner Gill has any chance at all of surviving at Kansas, he better hope and pray that Kansas does indeed end up in the Big East.

 

Still think Kansas is a better candidate than Missouri for future Big 10 expansion--while folks thought Kansas and K-State were tethered together, Kansas' continued dalliance with the Big East affirms that they can strike out on their own without repercussions from the state legislature.

 

This alone should have Missouri concerned--while another poster did point out that Missouri may have better academics according to some services, Kansas had handily achieved more on the court, and it can be argued that Kansas has done more than Missouri in football as well.

 

And just to be honest, if you could pick one or the other to come into the Big 10, you'd be all over Kansas in a heartbeat--while we may lose to them on the court, they'd be a layup on our conference football schedule in a conference that have many easy wins.

Missouri brings about 500,000 more TV sets to the deal than Kansas does, and I'm not sure it can be argued they've done more in football. Pinkel has Missouri heading in the right direction.

 

Sure, the state of Missouri has 500k more sets, but remember that a) the Big 10 already has St. Louis on east as part of their TV "footprint" (so take at least half of those sets away), and B) Missouri doesn't carry their own state in TV coverage--Nebraska during football season and both Kansas and K-State carry just as well as Missouri, ratings-wise, in the KC and St. Louis markets. Plus, Kansas carries the rest of its state (FWIW), so the Big 10 would likely own Missouri during both basketball and football season, even if Missorui isn't a Big 10 member.

 

This is very reason the Big 10 passed over Missouri, and why Kansas (if they're not Big East bound) would be in the mix for Big 10 expansion to 14 teams--remember, the Big 10 is also programming for a TV network now, and not just adding a new university member.

 

I would like to see you produce any numbers to support any of your claims. East ST.(also known as Illinois) yes does carry big10. Just like west Stl (also know as MO) MU is by far the biggest carry. And KC is split amoung many teams, MU is not lowest on that pole though. KSU is. KU is tops in basketball only. For all sports its MU & NU and then KSU & KU. As for your claim that KU carries the rest of Missouri your crazy. You can not and will not be able to provide one ounce of proof for that crazy claim because it simply isnt true.

 

Your choice if you had one is KU that is fine, but making things up as you go will not make your choice look any better or make any more sense

[da skers]

If Turner Gill has any chance at all of surviving at Kansas, he better hope and pray that Kansas does indeed end up in the Big East.

 

Still think Kansas is a better candidate than Missouri for future Big 10 expansion--while folks thought Kansas and K-State were tethered together, Kansas' continued dalliance with the Big East affirms that they can strike out on their own without repercussions from the state legislature.

 

This alone should have Missouri concerned--while another poster did point out that Missouri may have better academics according to some services, Kansas had handily achieved more on the court, and it can be argued that Kansas has done more than Missouri in football as well.

 

And just to be honest, if you could pick one or the other to come into the Big 10, you'd be all over Kansas in a heartbeat--while we may lose to them on the court, they'd be a layup on our conference football schedule in a conference that have many easy wins.

Missouri brings about 500,000 more TV sets to the deal than Kansas does, and I'm not sure it can be argued they've done more in football. Pinkel has Missouri heading in the right direction.

 

Sure, the state of Missouri has 500k more sets, but remember that a) the Big 10 already has St. Louis on east as part of their TV "footprint" (so take at least half of those sets away), and B) Missouri doesn't carry their own state in TV coverage--Nebraska during football season and both Kansas and K-State carry just as well as Missouri, ratings-wise, in the KC and St. Louis markets. Plus, Kansas carries the rest of its state (FWIW), so the Big 10 would likely own Missouri during both basketball and football season, even if Missorui isn't a Big 10 member.

 

This is very reason the Big 10 passed over Missouri, and why Kansas (if they're not Big East bound) would be in the mix for Big 10 expansion to 14 teams--remember, the Big 10 is also programming for a TV network now, and not just adding a new university member.

 

I would like to see you produce any numbers to support any of your claims. East ST.(also known as Illinois) yes does carry big10. Just like west Stl (also know as MO) MU is by far the biggest carry. And KC is split amoung many teams, MU is not lowest on that pole though. KSU is. KU is tops in basketball only. For all sports its MU & NU and then KSU & KU. As for your claim that KU carries the rest of Missouri your crazy. You can not and will not be able to provide one ounce of proof for that crazy claim because it simply isnt true.

 

Your choice if you had one is KU that is fine, but making things up as you go will not make your choice look any better or make any more sense

 

 

To be truthful. . .MU screwed itself. For what ever reason they have this complex and feel they should be mentioned with great college athletics and as a storied program. As a result they are always touting themselves, trying to draw attention and point out they are relevant. Its like when the fat kids gets a pitty date from the prom queen and then he as to brag that he's going to bone her after the dance only to have her find out leave with the prom king/captin of the football team. They draw attention to themselves and then piss away what they were about to have a chance to accomplish.

 

They were going to be invited into the B10 then had to leak it and try to rub it in everyone's face and try to flip them the bird. One of my friends is an assistant AD there and he sat in the meetings that Thursday afternoon that planned the leaving of the B12 and how the B10 would most likely proceed. The B10 got turned off by the leak. This was going to be very quite as they explored and brought in two more teams (besides MU and NU) and would have a 14 team conference. But the AD department just had to leak it to the KC radio and all of the sudden there is all of this attention on whats going down. A few of the possible players got scared off and it shut down. No one even knew NU was being considered until MU started saying we're in the B10 and we're going to bring NU with us. The fact was at that point. . .they we're only getting in because of us and only if all the other teams came along and when the other teams backed away there was only one spot to be filled.

[BOJ]

The Big Ten Network does a pretty good job. I had heard the first year was a little shaky for them, but they are trying to find new content. THe Network pulls fairly good ratings for live sporting events, but thats about it.

Here is a link re: the Network and wrestling, decent little read. I apologize for not posting this in "other sports," but saw the post and thought it applied.

 

http://www.omaha.com/article/20110120/BIGRED/701209776#nu-gets-another-taste-of-the-big-ten

[fro daddy]

To be truthful. . .MU screwed itself. For what ever reason they have this complex and feel they should be mentioned with great college athletics and as a storied program. As a result they are always touting themselves, trying to draw attention and point out they are relevant. Its like when the fat kids gets a pitty date from the prom queen and then he as to brag that he's going to bone her after the dance only to have her find out leave with the prom king/captin of the football team. They draw attention to themselves and then piss away what they were about to have a chance to accomplish.

 

They were going to be invited into the B10 then had to leak it and try to rub it in everyone's face and try to flip them the bird. One of my friends is an assistant AD there and he sat in the meetings that Thursday afternoon that planned the leaving of the B12 and how the B10 would most likely proceed. The B10 got turned off by the leak. This was going to be very quite as they explored and brought in two more teams (besides MU and NU) and would have a 14 team conference. But the AD department just had to leak it to the KC radio and all of the sudden there is all of this attention on whats going down. A few of the possible players got scared off and it shut down. No one even knew NU was being considered until MU started saying we're in the B10 and we're going to bring NU with us. The fact was at that point. . .they we're only getting in because of us and only if all the other teams came along and when the other teams backed away there was only one spot to be filled.

 

heres the thing, there are 1000 different stories about how it went down, what did or didnt happen. YOu have a source, i have a source, radio had a source, my brothers mother-in-laws uncle has a source. I can tell you what my source said. He said it was a done deal but leadership at MU didnt want to wait the waiting period to become full members. That they played hard ball for a few weeks with the big 10, then lost and Mu's bid went to NE, who was willing to sit and wait to become full members.

 

So who is right, my good friend or your friend? Was it Mu who was the only one and they blew it or was MU only in because of NE? Its like tootsie pops....the world may never know.

 

and really at this point does any of that matter? Whats done is done. I think the process is far from over and i believe MU will land on their feet. They are not the best option available but they are a hell of a lot better than a number of other bcs schools that may end up in the same boat.

[bigg10]

I would like to see you produce any numbers to support any of your claims. East ST.(also known as Illinois) yes does carry big10. Just like west Stl (also know as MO) MU is by far the biggest carry. And KC is split amoung many teams, MU is not lowest on that pole though. KSU is. KU is tops in basketball only. For all sports its MU & NU and then KSU & KU. As for your claim that KU carries the rest of Missouri your crazy. You can not and will not be able to provide one ounce of proof for that crazy claim because it simply isnt true.

 

Your choice if you had one is KU that is fine, but making things up as you go will not make your choice look any better or make any more sense

 

I think what he is trying to say is many tv sets in Missu are tuned to watch ILL on the east and NU or KS on the west (st. louis and K city). I am not sure about that but if you dont think the fans had anything to do with NU getting into the B10 you are wrong, for one thing from the years of past power Husker ball, the Huskers have fans all over, and the state itself was impenetrable from a tv stand point. I am not sure on academics as I have not researched either of them, hoops hands down KS. Football, well niether has impressed me to much, I am not a fan of Missu football, one dimesional and since thats what they do and all they do, you would think they would be better at it. The only real game that impressed was beating OK, cuz they barely beat sandy st., lose to NU and TX Tech, and got beat by a very depleated Iowa in thier bowl. Beating your chest over beating IA State 14-0 doesnt say a whole lot either. So thats 5 games with little research, if I dug I bet I could pick them apart even more. I bet you all coming from B12 know them better than I do thou.

[knapplc]

That they played hard ball for a few weeks with the big 10, then lost and Mu's bid went to NE, who was willing to sit and wait to become full members.

 

Think about that logically for a second. You're the Big 10, you could have either Missouri or Nebraska. You're saying that the Big 10 would choose Missouri first, and when that falls through, they took Nebraska as Plan B?

 

On what planet is Missouri Plan A over Nebraska? I rarely disagree with you, Fro, but this is some pretty easy math.

[fro daddy]

I think what he is trying to say is many tv sets in Missu are tuned to watch ILL on the east and NU or KS on the west (st. louis and K city). I am not sure about that but if you dont think the fans had anything to do with NU getting into the B10 you are wrong, for one thing from the years of past power Husker ball, the Huskers have fans all over, and the state itself was impenetrable from a tv stand point. I am not sure on academics as I have not researched either of them, hoops hands down KS. Football, well niether has impressed me to much, I am not a fan of Missu football, one dimesional and since thats what they do and all they do, you would think they would be better at it. The only real game that impressed was beating OK, cuz they barely beat sandy st., lose to NU and TX Tech, and got beat by a very depleated Iowa in thier bowl. Beating your chest over beating IA State 14-0 doesnt say a whole lot either. So thats 5 games with little research, if I dug I bet I could pick them apart even more. I bet you all coming from B12 know them better than I do thou.

 

 

I'm sorry....Its hard to follow your logic and sentences for that matter. But couple of things. Illinios doesnt even carry Illinios, they are not even close in STL. STL ILL does follow the big 10 more than the big12, but that is not the case in STL MO. Also I dont know how the ridiculous claim that KU carries the state of MO turn into "beating your chest over beating IA state 14-0..."? And maybe you should do a little more research before making broad wide statements. Anyone can make broad silly statements about teams. Like how NU lost to TX and ATM ( a team MU beat by 3 tds) or how the big 10 must blow because they got wiped off the map in big bowls and their top teams took beating the likes of which have never been seen. Or how about how wisconsin lost to a team that feeds on "little sisters of the poor", but dominated Ohio State. And that Wisconsin team lost to MSU. Who obviously sucks because they got steam rolled a couple of times and needed prayers to beat bad teams...... I bet if i dug a little i could really pick them all apart....