NoLongerN Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 So, if we are truly going to open up the offense but have not because we have not had the receivers ... we close the deal and he's However, if he's gonna be a blocker and get 4-5 looks a game with 3 catches for 50 yards ... we lose him and I don't blame him a bit for listening and even biting on what the Domers are sellin'. Link to comment
girlknowsfootball Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Notre Dame has historically been more of a passing offense. They have produced major NFL prospects like Golden Tate in recent years and are just known as more of a passing team, recruiting mostly Pro Style, NFL style QB's. Whereas Nebraska, like it or not, is known everywhere as a running team. Recruits will tell you "Nebraska runs the ball a lot". Part of that has to do with the quarterbacks we recruit. Beck & Pelini have and are continuing to recruit and play athletes or athletic run first guys at quarterback. Guys who have 4.4-4.5 speed and who hand off or run before they pass... usually because they struggle with consistency and accuracy in passing (i.e. Taylor Martinez, Cody Green, etc.) If you're Jordan then you look at NU and say... they are stacked at running back and their offensive line pulls to the run more. BUT let's break it down: In 2011, Nebraska averaged: 29.2 ppg 2824 yds rushing with 611 rushing attempts 2115 yds passing with 293 passing attempts of which were 55.9% completed. In 2011, Notre Dame averaged: 29.2 ppg 2085 yds rushing with 433 rushing attempts 3284 yds passing with 473 passing attempts of which were 63.8% completed. Based on those statistics... we run the ball 2x as much as we pass it and when we pass it we complete many fewer passes than Notre Dame. Whereas Notre Dame passes more than they run and have close to an 8% higher completion rate. Jordan is also looking at their NFL guys... Golden Tate - Sehawks, Arnaz Battle - Steelers, Maurice Stovall - Lions. And Michael Floyd is going to be a top guy going into the NFL. Whereas Nebraska has Niles Paul on an active roster and that's it... and he has been playing special teams with few looks at WR. So all that to say... Notre Dame passes more, they put more WR's into the NFL, they bring in more pro style aspects. We have 5 national championships, they have 8. Jordan is Catholic and we all know what Notre Dame means in that regard. Now let's break down WR recruiting of who will be where next year: Notre Dame - Deonte Greenberry 5.9 :star :star - HS Fr Justin Ferguson 5.7 :star - HS Fr Chris Brown 5.7 :star - HS Fr Davarius Daniels 5.8 :star :star - RS Fr Matthias Farley 5.5 :star - RS Fr TJ Jones NR - JR Daniel Smith 5.6 :star - JR Luke Massa 5.7 :star - JR Theo Riddick NR - SR Robby Toma NR - SR Nebraska - Taariq Allen 5.5 :star - RS Fr Sam Burtch NR - RS Fr Kenny Bell 5.7 :star - So Tyler Evans 5.4 :star - So Jamal Turner 5.8 :star :star - So Tyler Wullenwaber NR - So Quincy Enunwa 5.7 :star - Jr Khiry Cooper 5.5 :star - Sr Taylor Dixon NR - Sr KC Hyland NR - Sr Tim Marlowe 5.1 :star - Sr Steven Osborne 5.5 :star - Sr Jordan will actually have less competition for playing time at Nebraska. He has more of a chance to start here early than he does at ND. We have also proven that we do put really good WR in the NFL. Now let's look at future QB play: Taylor Martinez 874 yds rushing with 188 attempts 2089 yds passing with a 56.3% completion and 8 INT Tommy Armstrong 1282 yds rushing with 152 attempts 1945 yds passing with a 58.6% completion and 2 INT Tommy Rees (has 2 years left) -56 yds rushing with 31 attempts 2871 yds passing with a 65.5% completion and 14 INT No Current ND QB commits for this year. Nebraska is closer to a championship right now than ND is. Our win record has been consistently higher than ND over the past few years despite the fact that ND has had higher ranked recruiting classes each year. Eventhough Taylor struggles with the passing game, we do have some much better passers coming up in Carnes and Armstrong. Martinez has 2 years left, if Jordan took a RS then he would only have to play 1 year with Taylor and would have 3 years with a new, hopefully better passing QB. Link to comment
girlknowsfootball Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Expect ND to close the deal tonight and win JW over. JW is convinced he will play early and get the ball more at ND. He wants a program that will put him in the NFL. And his parents are pushing him for ND. Link to comment
7inlimp Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Nebraska is closer to a championship right now than ND is. Our win record has been consistently higher than ND over the past few years despite the fact that ND has had higher ranked recruiting classes each year. Eventhough Taylor struggles with the passing game, we do have some much better passers coming up in Carnes and Armstrong. Martinez has 2 years left, if Jordan took a RS then he would only have to play 1 year with Taylor and would have 3 years with a new, hopefully better passing QB. good post until your subjective bias took over. im sure everett golson ....is every bit of a passer that carnes and armstrong project to be. Link to comment
huskerhill Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Considering this is a cornhusker message board, I think the entire post was pretty good. Link to comment
husker B-rent Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Nebraska is closer to a championship right now than ND is. Our win record has been consistently higher than ND over the past few years despite the fact that ND has had higher ranked recruiting classes each year. Eventhough Taylor struggles with the passing game, we do have some much better passers coming up in Carnes and Armstrong. Martinez has 2 years left, if Jordan took a RS then he would only have to play 1 year with Taylor and would have 3 years with a new, hopefully better passing QB. good post until your subjective bias took over. im sure everett golson ....is every bit of a passer that carnes and armstrong project to be. i didnt read where she said that they are better passers than ND qbs, rather she said they project to be better passers than martinez. and for the record, armstrong looks to be a very good passer and i would personally take him over any ND qbs as he can run also... Link to comment
melscott62 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 i will say this about offensive production.... yes ND throws the ball more, but its not like we are old Nebraska either....... we put the ball in the air plenty. I would also guess(I will look this up later) that since they throw the ball more, it gets spread around more.....it seems like we target fewer guys(mainly bell) IMO if he is truly good enough for the NFL he will get the ball. if he can get open and CATCH THE BALL he should put up monster numbers, even with taylor at QB and our tendency to run. I would also say that if we can get better at the passing game I truly think beck would like to air it out more. I find the offensive differences a very poor excuse... hopefully he doesnt buy into it. 1 Link to comment
Comish Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Regardless of who throws it more..................we EXPECT our wr's to be physical and embrace blocking...................IF that feeds into his competitive juices, it could help............... Link to comment
HuskerShark Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 i will say this about offensive production.... yes ND throws the ball more, but its not like we are old Nebraska either....... we put the ball in the air plenty. I would also guess(I will look this up later) that since they throw the ball more, it gets spread around more.....it seems like we target fewer guys(mainly bell) IMO if he is truly good enough for the NFL he will get the ball. if he can get open and CATCH THE BALL he should put up monster numbers, even with taylor at QB and our tendency to run. I would also say that if we can get better at the passing game I truly think beck would like to air it out more. I find the offensive differences a very poor excuse... hopefully he doesnt buy into it. +1 to you! Although I don't think ND spreads the ball out more. From the couple of games that I saw parts of, the QBs tried to force the ball to Michael Floyd as much as possible. But I definitely agree, and most people disagree with me on here when I say it, that even with Taylor at QB or another QB with equal throwing skills, he would get a lot of touches. IMO, Taylor progressed a LOT this year as a game manager, a leader, and a passer. Like most people have noticed, his concentration on improving these parts of his game have led to his big-play rushing ability to be shut down a little bit. However, I think we saw in the bowl game that he is still a big factor running the ball on option, zone read, and sometimes draw plays. I know he broke at least one big run and ran the option very well several times. I feel confident with him as the QB going into next year. If he would happen to get beat out, then that means the other guy is a stud, and I would feel even better. Link to comment
WAHusker Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 while i dont agree with his opinion or his decision, everything is pointing to ND within 24 hours. Kelly is one hell of a BS'er and apparently has pulled a big one over him. I hope what i heard is wrong, but losing hope fast. Come on Fuller! Link to comment
MinnwiscowaSker Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Irving Fryar, a NEBRASKA WIDE RECEIVER, was the first ever receiver to be drafted first overall. If you have the talent, you will get drafted into the league, regardless of where you play. Link to comment
MinnwiscowaSker Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Jordan Payton, who was high on ND, just verballed to Cal. Deonte Greenberry, the four-star verballed to ND is a soft verbal and is looking at USC. ND does have two three-stars with Justin Ferguson and Chris Brown. I have a feeling they really want Jordan now. Link to comment
Notre Dame Joe Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Jordan Payton, who was high on ND, just verballed to Cal. Deonte Greenberry, the four-star verballed to ND is a soft verbal and is looking at USC. ND does have two three-stars with Justin Ferguson and Chris Brown. I have a feeling they really want Jordan now. rut roh Link to comment
Atbone95 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Anyone know what time his in-home is tonight? Or roughly when we will hear some sort of news... Link to comment
7inlimp Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Jordan Payton, who was high on ND, just verballed to Cal. Deonte Greenberry, the four-star verballed to ND is a soft verbal and is looking at USC. ND does have two three-stars with Justin Ferguson and Chris Brown. I have a feeling they really want Jordan now. paytons been going to Cal for several months now, its just now public. greenberry shot down the USC rumors two weeks ago and is all irish; he actually said "**** USC" on his facebook. Link to comment
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