knapplc Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I'm not saying that he is Cam Newton. However, the argument that one-year transfer players can't make a difference is totally bogus. I don't think Cam Newton totally dispels that notion. Cam was a superlative athlete, a generational player. Cam Newtons don't come in packs like fig newtons. I think if you have the chance to bring in a Cam Newton, even though you've already got a young guy who won a slew of awards last year and has already burned his 'shirt, you still bring him in. But that's a pie-in-the-sky notion, because we won't get another Cam Newton. Quote Link to comment
Saunders Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 ABSOLUTELY NOT! He comes in for one year and lets say takes a job from Taylor or someone else. Taylor might transfer, and we dont need to lose his skill. We have plenty of depth, and Russell only creates more questions. I understand at first glance it seems like a good idea to add a guy with his level of talent, but it would take him a while to learn the playbook and if he comes here he will expect to start.. that really messes with the progression of Carnes and Martinez. I know the counter argument will be : If he gives this team the best chance at winning, it is worth it. I will argue that he hurts this team more in the long run than he helps them in the short run. Zero interest in Russell. I would be totally okay with risking a Taylor Martinez transfer for one year of Russell Wilson. Not only is it a dice roll to bring in a wildcard for one year and hope he does something, but you are also mortgaging the teams future by removing a year of experience for your otherwise would be starter. Russell could maybe win us 1 more game is a pretty tough year, but that could also cost us dearly down the road. I'm not a fan of 1 year guys. Quote Link to comment
GBRsal Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 If he was any good he wouldn't have gone to reject tard-bin NCSt in the first place. Plus, Harrison Beck might have touched him and got his traitor-stank on him. Pass Quote Link to comment
Minnesota_husker Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 ABSOLUTELY NOT! He comes in for one year and lets say takes a job from Taylor or someone else. Taylor might transfer, and we dont need to lose his skill. We have plenty of depth, and Russell only creates more questions. I understand at first glance it seems like a good idea to add a guy with his level of talent, but it would take him a while to learn the playbook and if he comes here he will expect to start.. that really messes with the progression of Carnes and Martinez. I know the counter argument will be : If he gives this team the best chance at winning, it is worth it. I will argue that he hurts this team more in the long run than he helps them in the short run. Zero interest in Russell. I would be totally okay with risking a Taylor Martinez transfer for one year of Russell Wilson. You are giving up a lot to have one year with a mid-level guy. Russell is not going to be Cam Newton. Why pull another Sam Kellar? I'm not saying that he is Cam Newton. However, the argument that one-year transfer players can't make a difference is totally bogus. Plus, having a senior coming in July is not the same as having a freshman coming on to campus in the fall- I sincerely doubt that "learning the playbook" would be a problem... I think you're safe though. After all the "confidence" Bo showed for Martinez last year, I don't see him going after another QB right now. I just get concerned with the future and as much as many dont like it T-mart is the future. Quote Link to comment
huskerscott Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 ABSOLUTELY NOT! He comes in for one year and lets say takes a job from Taylor or someone else. Taylor might transfer, and we dont need to lose his skill. We have plenty of depth, and Russell only creates more questions. I understand at first glance it seems like a good idea to add a guy with his level of talent, but it would take him a while to learn the playbook and if he comes here he will expect to start.. that really messes with the progression of Carnes and Martinez. I know the counter argument will be : If he gives this team the best chance at winning, it is worth it. I will argue that he hurts this team more in the long run than he helps them in the short run. Zero interest in Russell. I would be totally okay with risking a Taylor Martinez transfer for one year of Russell Wilson. Not only is it a dice roll to bring in a wildcard for one year and hope he does something, but you are also mortgaging the teams future by removing a year of experience for your otherwise would be starter. Russell could maybe win us 1 more game is a pretty tough year, but that could also cost us dearly down the road. I'm not a fan of 1 year guys. Im not a fan of 1 year guys either. But remember last year at this time Cam Newtom was only recognized for stealing laptops and being Tim Tebows backup. Im not saying jump on the Wilson bandwagon, but dont be so quick to dismiss it. I think Wilson could be a good QB in the right system. Quote Link to comment
Roark Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 ABSOLUTELY NOT! He comes in for one year and lets say takes a job from Taylor or someone else. Taylor might transfer, and we dont need to lose his skill. We have plenty of depth, and Russell only creates more questions. I understand at first glance it seems like a good idea to add a guy with his level of talent, but it would take him a while to learn the playbook and if he comes here he will expect to start.. that really messes with the progression of Carnes and Martinez. I know the counter argument will be : If he gives this team the best chance at winning, it is worth it. I will argue that he hurts this team more in the long run than he helps them in the short run. Zero interest in Russell. I would be totally okay with risking a Taylor Martinez transfer for one year of Russell Wilson. Not only is it a dice roll to bring in a wildcard for one year and hope he does something, but you are also mortgaging the teams future by removing a year of experience for your otherwise would be starter. Russell could maybe win us 1 more game is a pretty tough year, but that could also cost us dearly down the road. I'm not a fan of 1 year guys. I don't think it's any more of a gamble than expecting quantum leap improvement from a chronically injured quarterback who has played miserably as of late. If Martinez hasn't improved, then I would hope that the coaches "remove a year of experience" from him- I don't think anyone wants him to gain experience at the expense of losing games.. Adding Wilson to the roster could add some stability to a team that will undoubtedly still be working the kinks out of new coaches and a new playbook. Quote Link to comment
husker B-rent Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 ABSOLUTELY NOT! He comes in for one year and lets say takes a job from Taylor or someone else. Taylor might transfer, and we dont need to lose his skill. We have plenty of depth, and Russell only creates more questions. I understand at first glance it seems like a good idea to add a guy with his level of talent, but it would take him a while to learn the playbook and if he comes here he will expect to start.. that really messes with the progression of Carnes and Martinez. I know the counter argument will be : If he gives this team the best chance at winning, it is worth it. I will argue that he hurts this team more in the long run than he helps them in the short run. Zero interest in Russell. I would be totally okay with risking a Taylor Martinez transfer for one year of Russell Wilson. Not only is it a dice roll to bring in a wildcard for one year and hope he does something, but you are also mortgaging the teams future by removing a year of experience for your otherwise would be starter. Russell could maybe win us 1 more game is a pretty tough year, but that could also cost us dearly down the road. I'm not a fan of 1 year guys. Im not a fan of 1 year guys either. But remember last year at this time Cam Newtom was only recognized for stealing laptops and being Tim Tebows backup. Im not saying jump on the Wilson bandwagon, but dont be so quick to dismiss it. I think Wilson could be a good QB in the right system. thats not even a fair comparison. cam newton was also a very highly rated player out of high school and was picked to be supergod tim tebowners replacement as well as being the #1 juco player in the country the year prior. this guy is an average at best qb from a well below average team that he was kicked off of. you dont take a flier on a guy that has a 1 in 100000000000000000000000 shot of being the next cameron newton. the risk to your team is far far greater than the reward. Quote Link to comment
husker B-rent Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 not no but tahell NO! there is not a reason to take a full season of playing time from a player that needs more in game experience. this would be almost as stupid as taking sam keller and playing him over joe ganz. im glad some of you arent running the team because if you were we would have different players at every position every season and never get any continuity. continuity makes a team good, not a "one year stand qb that played in a poor conference". So you're saying that players like Cam Newton can't just transfer in for a year and make a difference? if cam newton wants to transfer in from the NFL then please by all means!!!! just because he was a transfer doesnt mean that every transfer is cameron newton... 1 Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 not no but tahell NO! there is not a reason to take a full season of playing time from a player that needs more in game experience. this would be almost as stupid as taking sam keller and playing him over joe ganz. im glad some of you arent running the team because if you were we would have different players at every position every season and never get any continuity. continuity makes a team good, not a "one year stand qb that played in a poor conference". So you're saying that players like Cam Newton can't just transfer in for a year and make a difference? This is an entirely unfair comparison to make. Not only was Cam Newton a more highly touted recruit than Russel Wilson, but you have to legitimately consider what you're saying. How many times in the history of college football has a one year transfer won the Heisman and MNC in one season? Not many, if any at all in the last few decades. There's nothing saying that a one year transfer can't come in and perform, but we have incumbent starter as well as a guy who has started a couple of games. And then we have a redshirt freshman who has gotten a lot of people excited. Is Wilson, a man that got dropped from his old school and doesn't exactly have overwhelming talent, really deserve a scholarship offer and the chance to compete against these guys? In my opinion, no. Not to mention I highly doubt this kid could come in here, get the playbook down and beat out our quarterbacks. The legitimacy of this is impractical and the chances are even smaller. Cam Newton is a once-in-a-lifetime situation and should not, by any means, be the determining reason we do or do not accept one year transfers. Quote Link to comment
Roark Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 not no but tahell NO! there is not a reason to take a full season of playing time from a player that needs more in game experience. this would be almost as stupid as taking sam keller and playing him over joe ganz. im glad some of you arent running the team because if you were we would have different players at every position every season and never get any continuity. continuity makes a team good, not a "one year stand qb that played in a poor conference". So you're saying that players like Cam Newton can't just transfer in for a year and make a difference? if cam newton wants to transfer in from the NFL then please by all means!!!! just because he was a transfer doesnt mean that every transfer is cameron newton... So transfer quarterbacks can't make a difference unless they're Cam Newton... or Ryan Mallett or Nick Foles or GJ Kinne. Or the vast number of successful transfer quarterbacks from years past. Quote Link to comment
Minnesota_husker Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 If this guy had 2 years, i might be interested.... But not for one.. Juco's work sometime(David) but fail others(Kellar) Depends on the kid and his want to be great and the ability the coaching staff has to help that players skillset flourish in the system. Quote Link to comment
huskerscott Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 not no but tahell NO! there is not a reason to take a full season of playing time from a player that needs more in game experience. this would be almost as stupid as taking sam keller and playing him over joe ganz. im glad some of you arent running the team because if you were we would have different players at every position every season and never get any continuity. continuity makes a team good, not a "one year stand qb that played in a poor conference". So you're saying that players like Cam Newton can't just transfer in for a year and make a difference? if cam newton wants to transfer in from the NFL then please by all means!!!! just because he was a transfer doesnt mean that every transfer is cameron newton... So transfer quarterbacks can't make a difference unless they're Cam Newton... or Ryan Mallett or Nick Foles or GJ Kinne. Or the vast number of successful transfer quarterbacks from years past. Apparently they cant according to some. Nobody is arguing that Wilson is Cam Newton, people are just noting the success Cam had at Auburn last year. If Wilson is better than what we got right now, than I have no problem bringing him in. In college football its a must win NOW for programs like Nebraska. If a transfer can come in and win the job from a previous year starter, than thats on the player for not improving his game enough to hold down the job. Wilson wasnt the bigtime recruit that Newton was orginally. Keller/Ganz were polar opposites when comparing recruiting classes. Keller was a stud alot of people wanted, Ganz was nobody wanted besides Nebraska. Quote Link to comment
Blackshirts007 Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 If Bo believes this kid could start at the QB position this year, bring him in, if we think we are using him as good "competition" let him be...he was one of the best QB's in the ACC, he got screwed over and he just wants to play, if we arnt going to play him, let him play somewhere else Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I don't get this debate. It should have been eminently clear to everyone that Taylor Martinez was going to be a multi-year starter no matter what when he took the first snap against W. Kentucky. Unless his leg completely falls off, he's the guy, and we're not bringing anyone else in. This ship sailed a year ago. Doesn't matter how good Wilson is. Quote Link to comment
huskerscott Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I don't get this debate. It should have been eminently clear to everyone that Taylor Martinez was going to be a multi-year starter no matter what when he took the first snap against W. Kentucky. Unless his leg completely falls off, he's the guy, and we're not bringing anyone else in. This ship sailed a year ago. Doesn't matter how good Wilson is. To some its not clear Taylor is gonna be a multi year starter. Thats why this debate is going on, we all have different opinions and sometimes we like to share whats on our mind. So if Wilson does come here and Taylors ankle falls off, Carnes' arm falls off, and Cody Green gets in a hunting accident. I think Wilson would be nice insurance policy to have. I dont think he will come here, but its nice to talk about. Quote Link to comment
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