'SkersRule Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 let me clarify though also that separation for a Dlineman is essential, and attacking rather than being passive is great and I agree with that. I just have an issue with armchair coaches. No personal attack intended, my apologies A personal attack insult was certainly intended otherwise you wouldn't have said it. If you hate armchair coaching then why are you on this site? It's kind of what we do here. Quote Link to comment
flatwaterfan Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 That's really dumb. Making contact with the head, hello concussion and more head injuries. Also, allowing a OL to get into your body makes it easier for them to hold you and get away with it. Our DL should be firing off the ball and using their hands to keep blockers off of them. It's no wonder our DL essentially sucked last season. Unless you get hit under the chin or speared in the side of the helmet you're probably not going to get a concussion form hitting heads on the line.You really dated yourself with the head slap comment, that's been outlawed for a long time. It's probably a better way for someone to get a concussion than "head butting", which is probably a poor choice of words by Cam. I think they are probably being taught to make first contact with the helmet more so than head butt the guy. If you look at any outstanding middle linebacker or D lineman you'll notice that there helmet is scarred up pretty good and it's always from making contact with the other guys helmet. We were always taught that when shading a man to attack the offensive lineman in the V of the neck in the direction we wanted to control. Essentially attack leading with the head up into the armpit just under the chin and your hands on his breast plate inside and outside, once you make contact you basically bench press them to get separation and control, and shuck him when you know where you need to go. The point of leading with the head is to gain more leverage. If you come in lower than your man with your head up you have all your momentum concentrated in that small area and it's much easier to drive up and through him and hopefully knock him off balance so you can have your way with him. So jsneb83 is right it helps to create separation and reestablish the LOS, but I would argue *WARNING SCIENCE AHEAD* that you generate more Power (Power = Work/Time) by engaging with your head and then pressing the defender away because you have increased the amount of Work (Work = Force x Distance) done by increasing the distance over which the Force was applied (Force = Mass x Acceleration). Nerdy I know, but football is all about physics. To add to that one of the sport labs show demonstrated how much more power a lineman had when he had a 45 degree angle when engaging the opponent. Quote Link to comment
flatwaterfan Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I played DT in high school and one thing I was taught was at the snap to use the base of the palm to smack the OL in the head and then transition to the hands to keep the blocker off of me. Basically an OL can't block me if they can't get their hands on me. I mean I'm willing to give Kaz the benefit of the doubt but I'm not liking what I'm hearing. Speaking of which, I read somewhere that Todd Peat Jr has a nasty forearm shiver, best on the team. Good at stunning the OL guy. Quote Link to comment
chamrocck Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Definitely sounds like a more aggressive technique. Bring it. We need this to bring some bad ass defenders to the Blackshirts. Quote Link to comment
'SkersRule Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I played DT in high school and one thing I was taught was at the snap to use the base of the palm to smack the OL in the head and then transition to the hands to keep the blocker off of me. Basically an OL can't block me if they can't get their hands on me. I mean I'm willing to give Kaz the benefit of the doubt but I'm not liking what I'm hearing. Speaking of which, I read somewhere that Todd Peat Jr has a nasty forearm shiver, best on the team. Good at stunning the OL guy. Todd Peat is one player I'm expecting HUGE contributions/production from. He'll be a redshirt freshman and given how highly rated/recruited he was, well the bar is set pretty damn high. Quote Link to comment
'SkersRule Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Is that Hugo Strange? Quote Link to comment
Huskerlambs Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Ankrah, Steinkuhler, Randle, Meredith - first team Carter, Rome, Guy, Martin - second team Anderson, Williams, Peat, Vestal - third team McMullen, Curry, Valentine, and Moss can all redshirt. Coach Kaz has some horses to work with. I'm excited to see them develop. Quote Link to comment
Warrior Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 He's produced with his DL in the B1G. I think we need to let the man do his job and see what happens! Quote Link to comment
caveman99 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I played DT in high school and one thing I was taught was at the snap to use the base of the palm to smack the OL in the head and then transition to the hands to keep the blocker off of me. Basically an OL can't block me if they can't get their hands on me. I mean I'm willing to give Kaz the benefit of the doubt but I'm not liking what I'm hearing. Speaking of which, I read somewhere that Todd Peat Jr has a nasty forearm shiver, best on the team. Good at stunning the OL guy. Todd Peat is one player I'm expecting HUGE contributions/production from. He'll be a redshirt freshman and given how highly rated/recruited he was, well the bar is set pretty damn high. Just as long as you are willing to give him 2-3 more years before you judge him. Highly touted or not, the lines are not the easiest places to make immediate impacts. Williams also was getting rave reviews throughout last year, more so than Peat for awhile, so I think the future is bright for both young men. Quote Link to comment
Blackshirtsguru Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I was watching more of the [players'] technique, but you can see similarities," Meredith said. "For example, Coach Kaz wants us to make contact with our head, head-butt them more and get separation. That's really dumb. Making contact with the head, hello concussion and more head injuries. Also, allowing a OL to get into your body makes it easier for them to hold you and get away with it. Our DL should be firing off the ball and using their hands to keep blockers off of them. It's no wonder our DL essentially sucked last season. I'm sorry what college do you coach for again? Quote Link to comment
Blackshirtsguru Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I played DT in high school and one thing I was taught was at the snap to use the base of the palm to smack the OL in the head and then transition to the hands to keep the blocker off of me. Basically an OL can't block me if they can't get their hands on me. I mean I'm willing to give Kaz the benefit of the doubt but I'm not liking what I'm hearing. Wow this might be the funniest thing ive read on here. If coach would have put me in 4th quarter we would have taken state.....no doubt in my mind. Good one uncle Rico. The first thing I though of was this guy...... 1 Quote Link to comment
'SkersRule Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I played DT in high school, not RB. And the entire point of my posts was to demonstrate that too often last season our DL was completely ineffective because they couldn't separate. Well that, combined with Bo's 2 gap, slow rush, contain, style of DL play. When I watch teams from the SEC play defense I see DLs that, at the snap, fire off the ball and attack. But NU's DL plays patty cake. It's embarrassing, it's pathetic and it makes our defense look slow. Quote Link to comment
Hunter94 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I played DT in high school, not RB. And the entire point of my posts was to demonstrate that too often last season our DL was completely ineffective because they couldn't separate. Well that, combined with Bo's 2 gap, slow rush, contain, style of DL play. When I watch teams from the SEC play defense I see DLs that, at the snap, fire off the ball and attack. But NU's DL plays patty cake. It's embarrassing, it's pathetic and it makes our defense look slow. but in his latest interview, he claims we fans don't understand what he is doing........so these observations must be invalid. Quote Link to comment
4skers89 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I was watching more of the [players'] technique, but you can see similarities," Meredith said. "For example, Coach Kaz wants us to make contact with our head, head-butt them more and get separation. That's really dumb. Making contact with the head, hello concussion and more head injuries. Also, allowing a OL to get into your body makes it easier for them to hold you and get away with it. Our DL should be firing off the ball and using their hands to keep blockers off of them. It's no wonder our DL essentially sucked last season. I don't think our DL did that last year. Also, if that technique worked for the likes of Clayborn and Klug, I'm game to give it a shot. I'm not sure how many concussions and head injuries those guys got from doing it. Kid has a good attitude about the situation. May not be a wise technique. http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072012aaa.html Cognizant that there has been an heightened awareness to head injuries in football at all levels, Kohout said, “I’d have a migraine and we’d kind of wonder if it was concussion-related.’’ It’s pretty difficult to ignore head contact on the line of scrimmage, he acknowledged. “Playing D-tackle, you’re hitting a big dude every single play,’’ Kohout said. “You’re getting your hands on somebody and you’re bringing your head in there a lot of times. “It was always something I did to gain extra pop; maybe I shouldn’t have, but that’s just the way I’ve always done it. Extend your hands out and pop with your head; every single play usually.’’ Quote Link to comment
Blackshirts007 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I was watching more of the [players'] technique, but you can see similarities," Meredith said. "For example, Coach Kaz wants us to make contact with our head, head-butt them more and get separation. That's really dumb. Making contact with the head, hello concussion and more head injuries. Also, allowing a OL to get into your body makes it easier for them to hold you and get away with it. Our DL should be firing off the ball and using their hands to keep blockers off of them. It's no wonder our DL essentially sucked last season. I don't think our DL did that last year. Also, if that technique worked for the likes of Clayborn and Klug, I'm game to give it a shot. I'm not sure how many concussions and head injuries those guys got from doing it. Kid has a good attitude about the situation. May not be a wise technique. http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072012aaa.html Cognizant that there has been an heightened awareness to head injuries in football at all levels, Kohout said, “I’d have a migraine and we’d kind of wonder if it was concussion-related.’’ It’s pretty difficult to ignore head contact on the line of scrimmage, he acknowledged. “Playing D-tackle, you’re hitting a big dude every single play,’’ Kohout said. “You’re getting your hands on somebody and you’re bringing your head in there a lot of times. “It was always something I did to gain extra pop; maybe I shouldn’t have, but that’s just the way I’ve always done it. Extend your hands out and pop with your head; every single play usually.’’ Sure as hell doesn't sound wise. Not only would that cause a dramatic increase in suffering from concussions, but I would imagine getting more tired throughout the game. If I was a lineman doing that all game I would dizzy/lightheaded by the 4th quarter Quote Link to comment
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