kchusker_chris Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Shocked if Andrew Green isn't a starter Andrew is pretty low on the totem pole as far as CB goes, if I recall correctly: Seisay, Rose, SJB, Mitchell, Ciante all are ahead of him What makes you think that? Yeah, JP mentioned him last week as being at the top of the list with Seisay, Rose, and SJB working for the other CB spot, and the 2nd one when Ciante is in Peso. Didn't bring up Mitchel at all. One article, but nothing have I seen indicates he's out of the mix. He started 12 last season, and among our returning players is 2nd in tackles with 50 (behind Evans with 56). Mitchel with 29, and SJB with 24 are well back. This defense is going to be young - not sure they'll put even more youth in the backfield if they don't have to. Quote Link to comment
MR Red Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 serious question, have any of you actually heard anything that would lead you to believe VV is going to actually contribute this year? everything I have read about the kid suggests that he is soft and he doesnt like to work very hard. not trying to start a big arguement. just curious. Quote Link to comment
kchusker_chris Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 serious question, have any of you actually heard anything that would lead you to believe VV is going to actually contribute this year? everything I have read about the kid suggests that he is soft and he doesnt like to work very hard. not trying to start a big arguement. just curious. i think it's purely based on combination of potential and lack of depth (maybe a little hope thrown in there as well). He's still got 4 years here. If he keeps workin he'll be a major part of this defense. If that happens this year, great. But it should happen eventually. Quote Link to comment
HuskerShark Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 serious question, have any of you actually heard anything that would lead you to believe VV is going to actually contribute this year? everything I have read about the kid suggests that he is soft and he doesnt like to work very hard. not trying to start a big arguement. just curious. I've heard that when he gets pissed off, he's impossible to stop, but when he gets a little bit tired, he just shuts down and stops putting forth full effort. That's been the review by Bo and pretty much exactly what I've heard from anybody who is in the know. Hopefully something clicks and he learns to go 110% 100% of the time. Quote Link to comment
kchusker_chris Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 serious question, have any of you actually heard anything that would lead you to believe VV is going to actually contribute this year? everything I have read about the kid suggests that he is soft and he doesnt like to work very hard. not trying to start a big arguement. just curious. I've heard that when he gets pissed off, he's impossible to stop, but when he gets a little bit tired, he just shuts down and stops putting forth full effort. That's been the review by Bo and pretty much exactly what I've heard from anybody who is in the know. Hopefully something clicks and he learns to go 110% 100% of the time. maybe it will be easier to get pissed off at Ohio State than the scout team offense? this might be one of those where practice doesn't reflect his gametime contributions. Quote Link to comment
HuskerShark Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 serious question, have any of you actually heard anything that would lead you to believe VV is going to actually contribute this year? everything I have read about the kid suggests that he is soft and he doesnt like to work very hard. not trying to start a big arguement. just curious. I've heard that when he gets pissed off, he's impossible to stop, but when he gets a little bit tired, he just shuts down and stops putting forth full effort. That's been the review by Bo and pretty much exactly what I've heard from anybody who is in the know. Hopefully something clicks and he learns to go 110% 100% of the time. maybe it will be easier to get pissed off at Ohio State than the scout team offense? this might be one of those where practice doesn't reflect his gametime contributions. I hope he figures it out, because under Bo, the guys who put in the work and show what they're made of during practice are the ones who play on Saturday. Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 serious question, have any of you actually heard anything that would lead you to believe VV is going to actually contribute this year? everything I have read about the kid suggests that he is soft and he doesnt like to work very hard. not trying to start a big arguement. just curious. Last year, Coach Mora and his staff "walked out" of practice because the team was practicing so soft. Well, it was staged and pre-planned (trust me, all coaches do things like this from time to time), well I have a feeling all this "calling out" of VV started off for real but is now a bit of an act by the coaches as they have noticed he is working harder and harder, so they might be thinking that he does better with that kind of treatment. Of course, I could be totally wrong and get hit by a bus tomorrow. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 serious question, have any of you actually heard anything that would lead you to believe VV is going to actually contribute this year? everything I have read about the kid suggests that he is soft and he doesnt like to work very hard. not trying to start a big arguement. just curious. i think it's purely based on combination of potential and lack of depth (maybe a little hope thrown in there as well). He's still got 4 years here. If he keeps workin he'll be a major part of this defense. If that happens this year, great. But it should happen eventually. I think the coaches had mentioned that he can really cause problems in practice, the main problem is getting him to do it consistently. The implication seems to be lack of effort/conditioning is what's holding him back. If the top end is really that good, I'd be surprised if he isn't in the mix. Perhaps he'll have to be in for a few play and then back out until he can get his conditioning in order. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Here's the quote from Bo at Media Days, via OWH: Nebraska must improve its defensive line play, Pelini said. He made little bones about it. He said the 2012 defensive line class — which included signees Vincent Valentine, Avery Moss, Aaron Curry and Greg McMullen — was the best he’d signed at Nebraska to that date and he expects all to make a good impact this year. Pelini also took the opportunity to put the 6-foot-3, 325-pound Valentine — for whose services Nebraska beat Florida in a recruiting battle — on notice: “Vincent’s got to learn how to work and push through,” Pelini said. “You’re that big, that physical and that talented — it was easy for him in high school. To step up to this next level, he’s got to understand the type of mentality, the type of work ethic, and being able to fight through when you’re tired. The self-imposed hurdles he has to overcome. Some of it’s mental with Vincent. He’s a young guy. There’s nothing new there. The faster he understands that, the more he’ll be able to help us.” On the flip side, Pelini said incoming freshman defensive tackle Maliek Collins “walked in a grown man." Quote Link to comment
Fuzzy Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I'm sorry but predicting a starting defense for the beginning of the season and the end of the season is just damn impossible this year. I guarantee you that not all players that will start on defense at the beginning of the season will be starting at the end of the season. Beginning of the season : RE - Jason Ankrah DT - Thaddeus Randle DT - Vincent Valentine LE - Greg McMullen/Avery Moss ROLB - Zaire Anderson MLB - David Santos LOLB - Jared Afalava CB - Josh Mitchell CB - Ciante Evans Nickel - Stanley Baptiste Dime - Mohammed Seisay FS - Corey Cooper SS - Harvey Jackson End of the Season : RE - Jason Ankrah DT - Maliek Collins DT - Aaron Curry LE - Randy Gregory ROLB - Zaire Anderson MLB - David Santos/Michael Rose LOLB - Jared Afalava/Courtney Love CB - Josh Mitchell CB - Ciante Evans Nickel - Mohammed Seisay Dime - Jonathon Rose FS - Corey Cooper SS - Charles Jackson Quote Link to comment
NebraskaHarry Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Beginning of Season RE - Jason Ankrah DT - Thaddeus Randle DT - Broderick Nickens LE - Greg McMullen ROLB - Zaire Anderson MLB - David Santos LOLB - Jared Afalava CB - Josh Mitchell CB - Stanley Jean Baptiste Nickel - Ciante Evans Dime - Mohammed Seisay S - Corey Cooper S - Charles Jackson End of Season RE - Jason Ankrah (265) DT - Vincent Valentine (325) DT - Broderick Nickens (310) LE - Greg McMullen (285) (Great size on the D line) ROLB - Zaire Anderson MLB - David Santos LOLB - Jared Afalava (Great speed at the LB) CB - Jonathon Rose CB - Stanley Jean Baptiste (Tall Speedy Corners) Nickel - Ciante Evans Dime - Mohammed Seisay S - Nathan Gerry S - Charles Jackson (Speed and Strength at the Safety) Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Shocked if Andrew Green isn't a starter Unless he's injured, it's pretty much 100% guaranteed he'll start in the dime spot. If you want to count that. Just read that Pelini supposedly said during Media Days that Green may be moving to safety - which may line up with the dime spot. I hadn't heard that before and can't really find it anywhere else. Anyone else hear that? Edit: I did find another place that quoted Pelini as saying Green has been working some at safety. Maybe still in the experimental stages but I don't think you do that with a projected starter at CB. Edited August 1, 2013 by Mavric Quote Link to comment
CMT1525 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I really think McMullen is gonna be a huge part of this defense this year. He got really big. And most importantly he "gets it" expecting good things from him Quote Link to comment
The King Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Shocked if Andrew Green isn't a starter Andrew is pretty low on the totem pole as far as CB goes, if I recall correctly: Seisay, Rose, SJB, Mitchell, Ciante all are ahead of him What makes you think that? I forgot the order, but I remember our top 3 CBs as of spring were Ciante, Seisay, and SJB. Obviously a lot can change during fall camp, especially with the experience Andrew has - but I feel pretty confident that Seisay would've been starting last year if not for his ankle. Also, I think Rose will make some noise there also. Depends how deep he got into his playbook over spring. Quote Link to comment
The King Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 DE - Jason Ankrah DT - Thad Randle DT - Valentine DE - Randy Gregory/Banderas LB - Jared Afalava LB - David Santos LB - Zaire Anderson CB - Rose CB - SJB Nickel - Ciante Evans S - Harvey Jackson S - Charles Jackson I think Courtney Love is going to get some serious burn, also. Anyway, if Pap is going to keep talking about speed - there is no way CJax and Rose won't be on the field. They (both) could potentially be game changers on this defense. They are true playmakers. Loft a ball up their against either of those guys...good luck. Taylor found that out the hard way. This is part of the reason I'm not as scared on D anymore ... we are going to have speed everywhere. Try running to the edges and it will be a TFL most likely. Ankrah/Randle/McMullen Afalava/Anderson/Santos/(Gregory, Banderas, Love) Rose / Jackson / Jackson / SJB Have fun on those edges. Quote Link to comment
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