Duck Dynasty star suspended from show

[rawhide]

OK, who is trespassing on my property

 

 

watta ya mean it's mispelled?

[Junior]

Pretty epic editorial from a gay rights supporter.

 

http://www.theblaze....duck-you-to-ae/

 

How is this guy a gay rights supporter?? His own website says he believes gay marriage is a state's rights issue. Meaning he's fine if states ban gay marriage. That's not a gay rights supporter, sorry to say. http://www.rootforam...com/Issues.html

 

Also, it is extremely hard to take anyone seriously when the tagline to his bio reads: Wayne’s latest book is: The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide: How to Survive, Thrive, and Prosper During Obamageddon.

 

After reading his article, it's hard not to just shake my head in disbelief. He's either the dumbest person alive or is pretending to be in order to get page views.

[Junior]

The plot thickens!!!

 

 

http://www.dailymail...c-comments.html

 

A source close to the family, who asked not to be named, told MailOnline: ‘You have to ask yourself, why this interview happened and why it ever became public. Someone from A&E was there and was aware of the kind of answers Phil was giving.

 

‘But despite that, they didn’t ever try to stop it or control it. Instead, they let it hit the headlines and then released a statement condemning it.

 

HAHAHAHAHA

 

Right, the executive should have prevented Phil from saying what he was thinking. Because then this issue of "free speech" wouldn't even have come up.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

It is truly difficult to express how funny and ironic I find that statement.

[HSKR]

“It seems like, to me, a vagina — as a man — would be more desirable than a man’s anus,” he said

 

I concur

[Alamo City Husker]

Time to get on with my day, but this picture sums it up.....

 

 

I am second is a Christian Ministry that has various famous people give a testimony how they came to the knowledge of Jesus Christ. The "d" was replaced with a "t" to represent a CROSS! Good try though.

 

http://www.iamsecond.com/

[Alamo City Husker]

Pretty epic editorial from a gay rights supporter.

 

http://www.theblaze....duck-you-to-ae/

 

How is this guy a gay rights supporter?? His own website says he believes gay marriage is a state's rights issue. Meaning he's fine if states ban gay marriage. That's not a gay rights supporter, sorry to say. http://www.rootforam...com/Issues.html

 

Also, it is extremely hard to take anyone seriously when the tagline to his bio reads: Wayne’s latest book is: The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide: How to Survive, Thrive, and Prosper During Obamageddon.

 

After reading his article, it's hard not to just shake my head in disbelief. He's either the dumbest person alive or is pretending to be in order to get page views.

 

Well I guess I have to start questioning people whether they mean what they say. I guess I will start with PBHO.

 

[Yet I’ve always differed from my fellow conservatives on one issue – gay rights. Like my hero Barry Goldwater, I have no problem with gays. Goldwater is the father of the modern day conservative movement, yet he too was pro-gay rights. He once said of gays in the military, “I don’t care if they’re straight, I only care if they shoot straight.”]

 

I guess in your small world a conservative republican cannot support "gay rights". I guess I need to be more open minded like you.

[Junior]

Pretty epic editorial from a gay rights supporter.

 

http://www.theblaze....duck-you-to-ae/

 

How is this guy a gay rights supporter?? His own website says he believes gay marriage is a state's rights issue. Meaning he's fine if states ban gay marriage. That's not a gay rights supporter, sorry to say. http://www.rootforam...com/Issues.html

 

Also, it is extremely hard to take anyone seriously when the tagline to his bio reads: Wayne’s latest book is: The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide: How to Survive, Thrive, and Prosper During Obamageddon.

 

After reading his article, it's hard not to just shake my head in disbelief. He's either the dumbest person alive or is pretending to be in order to get page views.

 

Well I guess I have to start questioning people whether they mean what they say. I guess I will start with PBHO.

 

[Yet I’ve always differed from my fellow conservatives on one issue – gay rights. Like my hero Barry Goldwater, I have no problem with gays. Goldwater is the father of the modern day conservative movement, yet he too was pro-gay rights. He once said of gays in the military, “I don’t care if they’re straight, I only care if they shoot straight.”]

 

I guess in your small world a conservative republican cannot support "gay rights". I guess I need to be more open minded like you.

 

Nice try, but I'm going by what his own political website says. And as I mentioned, someone who supports States rights to ban gay marriage doesn't support gay marriage. That's fine, he doesn't have to support gay marriage. But don't try to pass him off as something he's not. A conservative can support gay marriage. This one does not.

[Conga3]

Pretty epic editorial from a gay rights supporter.

 

http://www.theblaze....duck-you-to-ae/

 

How is this guy a gay rights supporter?? His own website says he believes gay marriage is a state's rights issue. Meaning he's fine if states ban gay marriage. That's not a gay rights supporter, sorry to say. http://www.rootforam...com/Issues.html

 

Also, it is extremely hard to take anyone seriously when the tagline to his bio reads: Wayne's latest book is: The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide: How to Survive, Thrive, and Prosper During Obamageddon.

 

After reading his article, it's hard not to just shake my head in disbelief. He's either the dumbest person alive or is pretending to be in order to get page views.

 

Well I guess I have to start questioning people whether they mean what they say. I guess I will start with PBHO.

 

[Yet I've always differed from my fellow conservatives on one issue – gay rights. Like my hero Barry Goldwater, I have no problem with gays. Goldwater is the father of the modern day conservative movement, yet he too was pro-gay rights. He once said of gays in the military, "I don't care if they're straight, I only care if they shoot straight."]

 

I guess in your small world a conservative republican cannot support "gay rights". I guess I need to be more open minded like you.

 

Nice try, but I'm going by what his own political website says. And as I mentioned, someone who supports States rights to ban gay marriage doesn't support gay marriage. That's fine, he doesn't have to support gay marriage. But don't try to pass him off as something he's not. A conservative can support gay marriage. This one does not.

 

Supporting States Rights (a.k.a. Federalism) does not mean you support a gay marriage ban. It simply means you think the decision should stay a state issue and not be overruled at the federal level by law. Some states are passing laws to recognize gay marriage, some are passing laws to ban it, and many have some sort of challenge in their court system working it out one way or the other.

 

I support protecting and increasing Federalism. (States have more power, Federal Gov Less)

I support gay marriage. (Based on my belief that monogamy is the natural catalyst for marriage, not reproduction)

I do NOT support a federal law one way or the other. (yet anyway...but that gets complicated)

I'm way more elephant than donkey.

 

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No idea about the ideas of the guy you are talking about - just want to clear that up because your general statement in bold is very wrong - but understandable because it's kinda a murky issue.

[StPaulHusker]

So A &E suspended the guy and then does a marathon of Duck Dynasty episodes over the holidays. Yep. That will teach him a lesson.

[Landlord]

 

Actually no it's not. He's stating what his religion considers homosexuality...which defines it as a sin. The Bible says all sins are the same to God. So if you're a thief, a murderer, a homosexual, an adulterer or one who practices bestiality, it is all the same to God and thus...should be the same to us.

 

So, according to the Bible, we should treat all those who do those "immoral" things the exact same.

 

Really, what this duck dynasty guy is saying is that the Bible defines those things for him and that he believes them. When people jump on him for having this idea, they're really attacking Gods word because he's spot on with how it views homosexuality.

 

I don't watch the show, don't care for him...couldn't care less about whether gay marriage is legal or not...it doesn't matter to me at all....but attacking the Bible? yeah, I take that seriously.

 

 

I think that's really poor exegetical treatment of scripture, personally.

[carlfense]

The Bible says all sins are the same to God.

I think that you're correct . . . but I wonder what percentage of self-identifying christians believe that or agree with it. Even at my most religious I don't think that I actually agreed that a white lie is the same as child rape.

[Landlord]

 

Actually no it's not. He's stating what his religion considers homosexuality...which defines it as a sin. The Bible says all sins are the same to God. So if you're a thief, a murderer, a homosexual, an adulterer or one who practices bestiality, it is all the same to God and thus...should be the same to us.

 

So, according to the Bible, we should treat all those who do those "immoral" things the exact same.

 

Really, what this duck dynasty guy is saying is that the Bible defines those things for him and that he believes them. When people jump on him for having this idea, they're really attacking Gods word because he's spot on with how it views homosexuality.

 

I don't watch the show, don't care for him...couldn't care less about whether gay marriage is legal or not...it doesn't matter to me at all....but attacking the Bible? yeah, I take that seriously.

 

 

I think that's really poor exegetical treatment of scripture, personally.

 

 

 

This concept is there in every single translation of the Bible so it's not a translation issue at all which is what exegetical treatment of scripture implies.

 

There are practical examples of the Apostles (tons of them in Acts...a few in letters of Paul) using this 'poor exegetical treatment of scripture' to deal with 1st century Christians who sinned or are sinning...which solidifies both the definition on what constitutes a sin and how one deals with said sin...homosexuality included. All you have to do is a little research...its there.

 

 

I'd appreciate specific scriptural references of "all sins are the same to God".

[Landlord]

 

I'd appreciate specific scriptural references of "all sins are the same to God".

 

 

 

All sins, no matter what they are, result in the same thing...which is death (Romans 6:23). Since they earn the same thing, no one sin is greater than the other for humans...they all get you the same exact result and that is death.

 

Another area that might help is James 2:10 which states "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it." NIV. So breaking just one single point of the law is equated to breaking all of it. The authors were attempting to show that a sin is a sin in the eyes of God with no one being greater than the other...all sins are simply humans not in harmony with God. The common Hebrew term translated "sin" is chat·taʼth′; in Greek the usual word is ha·mar·ti′a. In both languages the verb forms (Heb., cha·taʼ′; Gr., ha·mar·ta′no) mean "miss," in the sense of missing or not reaching a goal, way, mark, or right point. That's gives a better working verb to describe sin and shows that God has a plan (bullseye) that we need to follow (hit with our arrow shot) and that we often miss that mark.

 

I would say there is one outlier/caveat for sin and that is if you blaspheme God's Holy Spirit...which is said to be a sin above all others and unforgivable (Mark 3:29). So I suppose all sins EXCEPT that one are treated the same...they all earn the same thing and they are all equally able to be redeemed/forgiven by God provided we stop doing them.

 

So, I misspoke earlier...all sin is not the same to God...99.99% of sins are with the .01% coming in the form of blaspheming the Holy Spirit which is the only sin treated differently.

 

 

Again, respectfully, I disagree.

 

I think it's incorrect to take those parts of scripture and turn them into the statement "all sin is the same in the eyes of God". Because that is not what they say.

 

Sin is the great equalizer, I do agree with you on this. Every person is equally a sinner by nature and by choice and separated from God because of it. I think Romans 6 and James 2 speak towards the penalty of all sin being equal, but not the entirety of sin. And I know there are several places in Scripture that speak towards the uniqueness or differentiation between different kinds of sin:

 

- The sacrificial law of Moses differentiate between different types and severities of sin. That's why a thief paid restitution, an occult practitioner was banished, and a fornicator was put to death. Also why different animal sacrifices were required for different sins.

 

- Numbers 15 differentiates between unintentional sin and sins of the "high hand" which are blatant and intention (think middle finger to the sky)

 

- Deuteronomy 18:12 and 27:15 list specific sins, not the entirety of sin, and call them abominations or cursed

 

- You already mentioned blaspheming the Spirit

 

- Luke 20:47 Jesus says that the Pharisees will receive a greater condemnation because of their self-righteous religious pride "...who devour widows' houses and xfor a pretense make long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation.”

 

- He also told Pilate that Judas had committed a greater sin in John 19:11: "Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore ehe who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”

 

- John differentiates between sin that leads to death and sin that doesn't lead to death in his first letter: "If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death. "(1 John 5:16-17, ESV)

 

- In 1 Corinthians 6 Paul differentiates sexual/lustful sin as different than all other sin because it is a sin against a person's own body. Whatever that means.

 

- In Matthew 11 Jesus says that it will be more bearable for for Sodom than Capernaum on the day of judgment because of their refusal to believe and repent.

 

- Luke 12:47-48 speaking in parable about the second coming and judgment, says this: "And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more."

 

 

So I think I understand your point but still disagree and think it is dangerous to say all sin is the same. The Bible speaks of different types of sin, different severity of sin, and more grievous warnings of certain types of sin. Further, not even looking at it from a scriptural standpoint, logically it's obvious that all sin is not the same, just based on immediate effect and consequence. If someone steals a toy, while it's sinful, it does not have any comparable common consequence compared to someone raping a child.

[Mavric]

And that's a wrap.

 

Suspension lasted just about a week (if you even count it as that much).

[Alamo City Husker]

Phil is BACK JACK!!!!

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/a-e-welcomes-phil-robertson-667647