Former Nebraska Kicker Says He Was Openly Gay, Loved By Teammates

[The Dude]

Thou shalt not bake cakes for gay weddings.

 

 

I remember that one.

[carlfense]

To use the power of govt to force christian businesses to do things against their faith (ie. Bake cakes for gay weddings, provide abortifacients in their health care policies) is a oppression.

Businesses hold religious beliefs? I guess corporations are people after all.

 

 

 

"abortifacients."

[knapplc]

Knapp-an hour ago you said you didn't view my ideas as hateful. Now you're calling them bigoted hatespeach. Forget to tske you bipolar meds?

 

An hour ago you hadn't mentioned the FRC.

[knapplc]

Knapp,

 

Hopefully you know by now my feelings on gay rights and that they should be treated with respect no different than anyone else. It's not our place on earth to judge someone based on this.

 

However, I find myself cringing on your posts. To shorten what I'm reading into one sentence, I'm reading....."you have freedom of speech but if you are a Christian and think homosexuality is a sin then shut your mouth and you shouldn't say anything."

 

This is similar in my mind to someone burning the flag. The flag is something very emotional for some people. I don't agree with burning it. But, I feel like I support their freedom to burn it.

 

I find your comments coming across as....."I don't agree with you so shut up".

 

The bold is exactly what I'm saying. Well summed up.

 

To be clear - you can say homosexuality is a sin. You should not say homosexuality is a sin to those who believe it isn't, or don't believe in your god at all.

 

You're welcome to say these things. They are hateful, and contrary to Jesus' teaching, but you're welcome to say them. Matthew 7: 3 all over again. Or you can realize the focus on homosexuality is a diversion, a way to create a scapegoat ("those sinners") while allowing people to feel superior, and to pretend their sin is less bad.

[MLB 51]

Knapp-an hour ago you said you didn't view my ideas as hateful. Now you're calling them bigoted hatespeach. Forget to tske you bipolar meds?

Here is what I don't understand about you. Why does this bother you so much? If you believe gay people are sinners, in what way does that affect you? Their so called sins are not your sins. So, why are pushing the issue? It's not your place to judge. Let it go.

[Dbqgolfer]

Knapp-an hour ago you said you didn't view my ideas as hateful. Now you're calling them bigoted hatespeach. Forget to tske you bipolar meds?

 

An hour ago you hadn't mentioned the FRC.

Although I don't think the FRC is a hate group, in fact I can't think of a single social position they take that wasn't the exact position of Tom Osborn while he was in congress, I don't need to use them as an example. I could have just as easily said the US Conf of Catholic Bishops, Heritage Foundation, or any other conservative organization. Also, I am not trying to do mental gymnastics, I am a guy in his late 40's who graduated from a small college 30 years ago who is truly curious as to what life might be like for his daughter at a public university. Quite honestly, I like the picture Zrod paints as opposed to your orwelian "all speech is free, some is just freer than others.

[Dbqgolfer]

So the idea of the University being a place where the free flow of ideas being encouraged is actually a myth.

 

I don't mean running up to gay couples and calling them sinners. I mean more in academic conversations, or, if there is a forum for orginizations to have a booth, & PFLAG has a booth, is the Family Research Council welcome as well?

Or if a group is circulating a petition supporting gay marriage, are people equally free to circulate petitions against gay marriage?

It's absolutely not a myth. there are people that stand out front of the student union and tell everyone they are sinners and going to hell. And there are also the LGBT groups that try to raise awareness for they're views. There are a good number of religious organizations and a far number of the "equal rights" organizations.

 

Knap gave you a perfect example of how tolerant college is. College is overflowing with different view points and beliefs. If you're not forcing your views on anyone you will be overwhelmingly accepted. In my time at UNL I hung out with pot smokers, boozers (or college kids if you will), other drug users, hardcore Catholics, moderate Catholics, Bereans, Lutherans, Jews, Muslims, Atheist, and general "non believers". And you know what, we all get along pretty well and know how to have a good time. That doesn't mean we didn't have the occasional philosophical/religious discussions that could get pretty heated, but in the end you just have to agree to disagree. That doesn't mean you can't still be friends though.

I meant to ask this as an honest question, not a statement.

[Dbqgolfer]

Knapp-an hour ago you said you didn't view my ideas as hateful. Now you're calling them bigoted hatespeach. Forget to tske you bipolar meds?

Here is what I don't understand about you. Why does this bother you so much? If you believe gay people are sinners, in what way does that affect you? There so called sins are not your sins. So, why are pushing the issue? It's not your place to judge. Let it go.

 

There are several reasons why this is important to me.

First I believe that the nuclear (father/mother/child) family is the ideal building block for a society.

Second, I do believe that the rise of gay rights comes at the expense of religious liberty. 3 examples out of many 1) earlier mentioned Christan Bakery. 2) Where I live a local church was forced to rent its parsonage to gay couple due to sexual oreintation ordinance 3) Catholic Charities no longer allowed to perform adoption services in several states because they won't adopt children out to gay couples.

Third, spiritual. to proclaim the Gospel, one must first point out the law. The law shows us our sin, and the gospel saves us from the eternal consequences of the sin. However, if people do not see the sin, then they think they have no need for a savior.

Fourth, personal (perhaps even selfish). My views and my heart haven't changed, however, while I was once seen as standing up for what is right, my view is now at times called bigoted. It saddens me to think of what my little girl will have to go through to stand up for her faith. I gauantee you that she is taught to be respectful of everyone, and to defend anyone who is being bullied, but my guess is that will not be reciprocated to her as she is bullied because of her beliefs.

[knapplc]

Where I live a local church was forced to rent its parsonage to gay couple due to sexual oreintation ordinance

 

Link, please.

 

And enough with the victim complex. Christians aren't being persecuted in America. Stop.

[Dbqgolfer]

Where I live a local church was forced to rent its parsonage to gay couple due to sexual oreintation ordinance

 

Link, please.

 

And enough with the victim complex. Christians aren't being persecuted in America. Stop.

I didn't say persecuted, I said rights infringed upon, and gave you examples.

I don't have a link, as I'm not sure it was in the paper. I know about it because it was the sister church to the one I attend.

On a side note, I was just reading the thread about Fremont. I was raised in Fremont (lived there from 1966 unitl I graduated from Midland in 1988).

[Junior]

Where I live a local church was forced to rent its parsonage to gay couple due to sexual oreintation ordinance

 

Link, please.

 

And enough with the victim complex. Christians aren't being persecuted in America. Stop.

I didn't say persecuted, I said rights infringed upon, and gave you examples.

I don't have a link, as I'm not sure it was in the paper. I know about it because it was the sister church to the one I attend.

On a side note, I was just reading the thread about Fremont. I was raised in Fremont (lived there from 1966 unitl I graduated from Midland in 1988).

 

You did not give examples. You gave us rumors.

[MLB 51]

Knapp-an hour ago you said you didn't view my ideas as hateful. Now you're calling them bigoted hatespeach. Forget to tske you bipolar meds?

Here is what I don't understand about you. Why does this bother you so much? If you believe gay people are sinners, in what way does that affect you? There so called sins are not your sins. So, why are pushing the issue? It's not your place to judge. Let it go.

 

There are several reasons why this is important to me.

First I believe that the nuclear (father/mother/child) family is the ideal building block for a society.

Second, I do believe that the rise of gay rights comes at the expense of religious liberty. 3 examples out of many 1) earlier mentioned Christan Bakery. 2) Where I live a local church was forced to rent its parsonage to gay couple due to sexual oreintation ordinance 3) Catholic Charities no longer allowed to perform adoption services in several states because they won't adopt children out to gay couples.

Third, spiritual. to proclaim the Gospel, one must first point out the law. The law shows us our sin, and the gospel saves us from the eternal consequences of the sin. However, if people do not see the sin, then they think they have no need for a savior.

Fourth, personal (perhaps even selfish). My views and my heart haven't changed, however, while I was once seen as standing up for what is right, my view is now at times called bigoted. It saddens me to think of what my little girl will have to go through to stand up for her faith. I gauantee you that she is taught to be respectful of everyone, and to defend anyone who is being bullied, but my guess is that will not be reciprocated to her as she is bullied because of her beliefs.

You didn't answer all of my questions.

If you believe gay people are sinners, in what way does that affect you? Their so called sins are not your sins.

[Landlord]

Knapp-an hour ago you said you didn't view my ideas as hateful. Now you're calling them bigoted hatespeach. Forget to tske you bipolar meds?

Here is what I don't understand about you. Why does this bother you so much? If you believe gay people are sinners, in what way does that affect you? There so called sins are not your sins. So, why are pushing the issue? It's not your place to judge. Let it go.

 

There are several reasons why this is important to me.

First I believe that the nuclear (father/mother/child) family is the ideal building block for a society.

Second, I do believe that the rise of gay rights comes at the expense of religious liberty. 3 examples out of many 1) earlier mentioned Christan Bakery. 2) Where I live a local church was forced to rent its parsonage to gay couple due to sexual oreintation ordinance 3) Catholic Charities no longer allowed to perform adoption services in several states because they won't adopt children out to gay couples.

Third, spiritual. to proclaim the Gospel, one must first point out the law. The law shows us our sin, and the gospel saves us from the eternal consequences of the sin. However, if people do not see the sin, then they think they have no need for a savior.

Fourth, personal (perhaps even selfish). My views and my heart haven't changed, however, while I was once seen as standing up for what is right, my view is now at times called bigoted. It saddens me to think of what my little girl will have to go through to stand up for her faith. I gauantee you that she is taught to be respectful of everyone, and to defend anyone who is being bullied, but my guess is that will not be reciprocated to her as she is bullied because of her beliefs.

 

The bolded seems to fly in the face of your own personal methods - your reference to the gambling whoremongers is very telling.

 

Either way, I think you are well intentioned. i do. But I also think you are being a bigot, and a bit ignorant and lacking sympathy for a people group. Even if you're not, you come across that way.

 

Want to know a secret? Would it surprise you to learn I was a Christian? Not just a church-goer, but an outspoken, born-again, hoping-to-plant-a-church evangelical Christian? Maybe not maybe you've lurked around for a while. But it's true, and the regulars on here know it and know what I'm about. It might surprise you even more that I agree about the sinfulness of homosexuality! But I don't make a big or focused deal about it, because the issue of sin is so much bigger than sexual orientation in my decaying heart and in everyone else's, and also because Jesus didn't focus on particular sins nor make a big deal out of them, but he approached the heart of people with redemption, grace and encouragement.

 

Anyways, the reason I ask is because I would bet you money that the majority of established posters on here would not describe me as a bigot or hateful, even though they know my stance and my sustaining faith. I would also bet the opposite of true of you. Chalk it up to whatever you will - hatred, ignorance, not being in touch, well-intentioned but misguided tactics/approach, whatever. I'm not claiming you to be a demon or lacking love, although it's possible. I'm saying that at the minimum, you are bearing witness to an abrasive, unattractive (not in the Christian self-fulfilling "Jesus said the world will hate me" kind of way; just an a-hole kind of way) gospel that doesn't seem to have any room left for redemption.

[BigRedBuster]

Knapp-an hour ago you said you didn't view my ideas as hateful. Now you're calling them bigoted hatespeach. Forget to tske you bipolar meds?

Here is what I don't understand about you. Why does this bother you so much? If you believe gay people are sinners, in what way does that affect you? There so called sins are not your sins. So, why are pushing the issue? It's not your place to judge. Let it go.

 

There are several reasons why this is important to me.

First I believe that the nuclear (father/mother/child) family is the ideal building block for a society.

Second, I do believe that the rise of gay rights comes at the expense of religious liberty. 3 examples out of many 1) earlier mentioned Christan Bakery. 2) Where I live a local church was forced to rent its parsonage to gay couple due to sexual oreintation ordinance 3) Catholic Charities no longer allowed to perform adoption services in several states because they won't adopt children out to gay couples.

Third, spiritual. to proclaim the Gospel, one must first point out the law. The law shows us our sin, and the gospel saves us from the eternal consequences of the sin. However, if people do not see the sin, then they think they have no need for a savior.

Fourth, personal (perhaps even selfish). My views and my heart haven't changed, however, while I was once seen as standing up for what is right, my view is now at times called bigoted. It saddens me to think of what my little girl will have to go through to stand up for her faith. I gauantee you that she is taught to be respectful of everyone, and to defend anyone who is being bullied, but my guess is that will not be reciprocated to her as she is bullied because of her beliefs.

 

The bolded seems to fly in the face of your own personal methods - your reference to the gambling whoremongers is very telling.

 

Either way, I think you are well intentioned. i do. But I also think you are being a bigot, and a bit ignorant and lacking sympathy for a people group. Even if you're not, you come across that way.

 

Want to know a secret? Would it surprise you to learn I was a Christian? Not just a church-goer, but an outspoken, born-again, hoping-to-plant-a-church evangelical Christian? Maybe not maybe you've lurked around for a while. But it's true, and the regulars on here know it and know what I'm about. It might surprise you even more that I agree about the sinfulness of homosexuality! But I don't make a big or focused deal about it, because the issue of sin is so much bigger than sexual orientation in my decaying heart and in everyone else's, and also because Jesus didn't focus on particular sins nor make a big deal out of them, but he approached the heart of people with redemption, grace and encouragement.

 

Anyways, the reason I ask is because I would bet you money that the majority of established posters on here would not describe me as a bigot or hateful, even though they know my stance and my sustaining faith. I would also bet the opposite of true of you. Chalk it up to whatever you will - hatred, ignorance, not being in touch, well-intentioned but misguided tactics/approach, whatever. I'm not claiming you to be a demon or lacking love, although it's possible. I'm saying that at the minimum, you are bearing witness to an abrasive, unattractive (not in the Christian self-fulfilling "Jesus said the world will hate me" kind of way; just an a-hole kind of way) gospel that doesn't seem to have any room left for redemption.

 

 

Well said. As a fellow Christian, there are way too many "Christians" that think it is their purpose in life to point out everyone else's sins. I'll admit that my mother and father are a couple that fit that mold and it drives me crazy. Jesus did not teach us to condemn people and turn our noses up at them. He taught us to be compassionate and set a good example through our own actions.

 

Mother Teresa didn't spend her life in the slums of Calcutta telling everyone they are a bunch of sinners. She spent her time there helping them and being an example to them and others around the world.

[ADS]

If a football player comes out as being gay, but his teammates and fellow students love him anyway then I don't see why it's an issue?