tmfr15 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Nebraska had a great run under Tom Osborne. And Frank Solich had a moment or two before he was sent packing by SP. When Bill was hired ... a move was made away from the Husker tradition to something new, a passing offense and Lincoln as a blue chip destination. We all wanted to work, but it didn't, in part because we didn't have the talent for it at the time (no pro style QB, blocking WRs instead of ones who could run routes, an O-line that couldn't pass block... etc) and in part because our coach was someone without much experience as an HC at the pro level, let alone college. Tom came back and hired Bo, but it always felt like a reach backwards to traditions with the staff and everything, even the option game. And maybe it didn't work for the same reason that it doesn't work to come back from college and try to hang out with your old high school crew again. The things you did to pass the time with the fellas seemed kind of lame once you had gone to college. And the Bo throw back to tradition seemed empty in a similar way. Because of the way that Bo felt about the fans. And the media. And the refs. And anyone else. The place grew toxic. Change was wanted by a large number of fans. This could be the new Nebraska now. We aren't saddled with the issues that Bill Callahan had to deal with, at least to a degree. We don't really have a passing QB, but we have actual WRs and an Oline that has learned pass block techniques. And we have a guy coming in who has had a system for a long, Long, LONG time. The guy knows his football and maybe, just maybe, we become something brand new. Tom and the old guard will be less of a factor in the new Husker world. Maybe we should embrace it and see if something can come out of this. The 1990s were great. We are reminded by everyone that they're over. Our path back to the elite could be on track. Maybe we needed all of those rough years to get to the point where Nebraska football can be born again, not reborn as a team like those of the 1990s, but a new creation and a completely new chapter, maybe even a completely different book, of Husker football history. 8 Quote Link to comment
bruzer1053 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 IMO we don't need a passing QB, we just need a QB that can pass when required, other than that I agree. Good post Quote Link to comment
Kiyoat Husker Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 When Bill was hired ... a move was made away from the Husker tradition to something new, a passing offense and Lincoln as a blue chip destination. We all wanted to work, but it didn't, in part because we didn't have the talent for it at the time (no pro style QB, blocking WRs instead of ones who could run routes, an O-line that couldn't pass block... etc) and in part because our coach was someone without much experience as an HC at the pro level, let alone college. So Jerry Tagge is no longer a part of the Husker tradition? Also, lets not rewrite history and say that Bill Callahan's offensive system didn't work here. In 2006 we had the #8 offense in the country with balanced passing/rushing. Zac Taylor did just fine as a pro style QB. And don't forget Ganz at the end of 07 and in 08 running Watsons/Callahans system. I'm not a Callahan apologist, but his offense wasn't the problem. TO said the same as a reason he asked Bo to keep Watson and Gilmore. 3 Quote Link to comment
C N Red Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 IMO we don't need a passing QB, we just need a QB that can pass when required, other than that I agree. Good post We need a QB who is an ahove average passer who can at least move around little. And if he can do both above average, great. But we cant be recruiting the run first QBs who are below average passers. Just as a passing only QB can make an offense one dimensional, and make it much easier for defenses to key, so can a guy who can only run. 1 Quote Link to comment
strigori Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 With Riley's history with QB success (two are on NFL rosters right now, and a 3rd will be drafted) we should see a marked improvement in QB play. Football has become a QB driven game, and only Ohio State in the Big Ten can boast really having quality QB play. If Riley can bring that, we have an advantage over almost every team in the conference. 1 Quote Link to comment
Elf Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 IMO we don't need a passing QB, we just need a QB that can pass when required, other than that I agree. Good post We need a QB who is an ahove average passer who can at least move around little. And if he can do both above average, great. But we cant be recruiting the run first QBs who are below average passers. Just as a passing only QB can make an offense one dimensional, and make it much easier for defenses to key, so can a guy who can only run. A QB that can run isn't necessary, that's why we have running backs. A QB that can pass AND run is a luxury most teams just don't have. If Riley runs a pro style attack here in Lincoln (and given his history it's likely that will happen) we won't need a QB that can run. We'll need one that knows how to hand off the ball to his backs and he must be able to throw all the routes. If he can run also, that's just gravy, really good gravy. 1 Quote Link to comment
huskered17 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Just give me a q/b that can WIN..... GBR!!! 1 Quote Link to comment
Comish Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Just give me a q/b that can WIN..... GBR!!! Exactly...........I'm far less interested in the method.....than in the results ! 1 Quote Link to comment
Hunter94 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 qb recruiting and development has been sorely lacking.........we need a serious upgrade in this area. Quote Link to comment
NebraskaShellback Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) When Bill was hired ... a move was made away from the Husker tradition to something new, a passing offense and Lincoln as a blue chip destination. We all wanted to work, but it didn't, in part because we didn't have the talent for it at the time (no pro style QB, blocking WRs instead of ones who could run routes, an O-line that couldn't pass block... etc) and in part because our coach was someone without much experience as an HC at the pro level, let alone college. So Jerry Tagge is no longer a part of the Husker tradition? Also, lets not rewrite history and say that Bill Callahan's offensive system didn't work here. In 2006 we had the #8 offense in the country with balanced passing/rushing. Zac Taylor did just fine as a pro style QB. And don't forget Ganz at the end of 07 and in 08 running Watsons/Callahans system. I'm not a Callahan apologist, but his offense wasn't the problem. TO said the same as a reason he asked Bo to keep Watson and Gilmore. Let us not forget David Humm either, a lefty that went on to the NFL as a QB. Edited December 15, 2014 by NebraskaShellback Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 A QB in todays world needs to be able to run an effective passing attack. That doesn't mean he needs to be able to pass the ball 40 times a game for 350 yards every game. He needs to be able to move the ball when needed through the air by hitting open receivers. That gets you a decent offense. Now, put a QB in the game that can do that AND beat you with his legs and you have a deadly attack. Look at most of the most successful college QBs over the last 5-10 years and most of them have this combination. I believe we have the talent in the stable right now to do that. We have Armstrong, Stanton, Bush, Darlington, Fyfe. One or two of those guys are going to develop over the next 12 months to be an effective passer. All of them are known to be athletic enough to beat you with their legs if needed. I'm excited to see what they can do. Quote Link to comment
Hunter94 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 A QB in todays world needs to be able to run an effective passing attack. That doesn't mean he needs to be able to pass the ball 40 times a game for 350 yards every game. He needs to be able to move the ball when needed through the air by hitting open receivers. That gets you a decent offense. Now, put a QB in the game that can do that AND beat you with his legs and you have a deadly attack. Look at most of the most successful college QBs over the last 5-10 years and most of them have this combination. I believe we have the talent in the stable right now to do that. We have Armstrong, Stanton, Bush, Darlington, Fyfe. One or two of those guys are going to develop over the next 12 months to be an effective passer. All of them are known to be athletic enough to beat you with their legs if needed. I'm excited to see what they can do. none are outstanding or true duel threats, but let's finally get them coached up and see what we have here...... Quote Link to comment
dvdcrr Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 To me, Nebraska needs to have a "come to Jeseus" and get back to what really is good Nebraska football. Punishing offensive line. Power football. Multiple option sets. Play action pass out of those same sets. Blackshirt defense. Recruit speed. Recruits will be available for our unique system. That way we are not thrown in the same pool with everyone trying to get the prototypical QB. Football is simple. Sometimes it just comes down to a one on one matchup. Your commitment to a system is what makes it work or not. 1 Quote Link to comment
BigRedPowerWagon Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Since were bringing back tradition, can we have the old Herbie Husker back. I liked him Quote Link to comment
IvabigN Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 When Bill was hired ... a move was made away from the Husker tradition to something new, a passing offense and Lincoln as a blue chip destination. We all wanted to work, but it didn't, in part because we didn't have the talent for it at the time (no pro style QB, blocking WRs instead of ones who could run routes, an O-line that couldn't pass block... etc) and in part because our coach was someone without much experience as an HC at the pro level, let alone college. So Jerry Tagge is no longer a part of the Husker tradition? Also, lets not rewrite history and say that Bill Callahan's offensive system didn't work here. In 2006 we had the #8 offense in the country with balanced passing/rushing. Zac Taylor did just fine as a pro style QB. And don't forget Ganz at the end of 07 and in 08 running Watsons/Callahans system. I'm not a Callahan apologist, but his offense wasn't the problem. TO said the same as a reason he asked Bo to keep Watson and Gilmore. Let us not forget David Humm either, a lefty that went on to the NFL as a QB. Can anyone say Vince Ferragamo?? Quote Link to comment
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