OWH: Bo Pelini insults A.D. Shawn Eichorst in expletive-filled rant during final meeting with players

[kchusker_chris]

Really? Show me a single academic activity that football provides money to. Just one link will suffice.

http://research.unl.edu/annualreport/2013/tag/nebraska-athletics-performance-lab/

[Vargas]

 

I also disagree that this "speech" was a slanderous rip job of the University. Bo called out TWO individuals that he didn't like and tore them apart. He never said anything negative about the school. And in my opinion trashing a school's AD doesn't equate to trashing a school. Everyone who's saying how he is attacking NU is off the mark, in my opinion.

guessing you didn't read the full transcript?

Its a culmination of the negativity. I understand, you guys are human. That is why I talked to you guys constantly. Last game you guys just said f#*k it lets play and you at least played free. That is my advice to you guys that come back. You can't let this place eat you up, because if you let it, it will eat you up. I have been LSU, I have been at Oklahoma, I been to these other places...the scrutiny, it ain't like that everywhere.

 

You gotta fight that fellas, you gotta just go play and enjoy this thing because at the end of the day, its not a job. It oughta be the best time of your life. Any of you guys have on your mind do I want to go or stay? At the end of the day you gotta sit there and think this is how many years I got left, these gotta be the best of my life. If you don't think this is the best place then you shouldn't stay.

 

 

Where's the rip job? That Nebraska has more scrutiny than LSU or Oklahoma? Who here disagrees with that? He follows that up with "If you don't think this is the best place then you shouldn't stay." Like I said previously, that's sound advice at any time.

[Saunders]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Matthew Hanson from the OWH with some great observations, via twitter.

 

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

There are reasons to criticize Harvey Perlman & UNL. There are reasons to praise him. Virtually none of it has anything to do with football.

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe A plea: Quit looking through lens of football to judge leaders of Nebraska public universities. It makes you look silly and it makes me sad.

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A fitting final chapter to Pelini Era. Bo raging to his players, calling boss obscene names, talking about values. http://www.omaha.com/huskers/bo-pelini-insults-a-d-shawn-eichorst-in-expletive-filled/article_b202b14a-8633-11e4-8c91-f3f5386da4f8.html

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Here's a value: Being able to look in mirror & accept at least some of the blame when things go bad. Here's a value: Don't use the c word.

A million times, this.

+1,000,000

Football is a gigantic revenue source that funds countless academic activities. Perlman absolutely should be judged on how he manages the football program.

 

Really? Show me a single academic activity that football provides money to. Just one link will suffice.

From a non monetary perspective, it's an invaluable brand that advertises the university across the country and attracts students.

That means he can't, because the dept and the University are separate.

 

I am not he, and he is not me.

[zoogs]

To me it seemed like someone offering advice to someone he cared about

Well, I think that's the intent. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's the message I take issue with.

 

As others have pointed out, and I agree, Bo made it about himself. He had to make sure they all knew how badly he, their leader, got screwed. He had to tell his students that their AD probably didn't have a plan, and that they were in a place with an AD who had no values. Bo probably genuinely believes all of those things. He's got a real victim complex going on.

 

And I find the "do what's best for you" part of the message to be pretty disingenuous. In the context of the speech, after all that, "Isn't it miserable here? You guys know. The negativity. Etc etc etc. Look how this place treated me. They probably don't have a plan for you guys." Bo was all over the map.

 

If you want a blueprint for how to properly do the things you suggested, just look at what Muschamp told his players, or what Hoke told his players. Hell, probably what Callahan told his players. Or how about Bill Blankenship (excerpted, w/ emphasis added):

 

I will always be thankful to the selection committee, Bubba Cunningham and President Upham for allowing me the opportunity to lead the TU football program these past four years...

 

...The turnaround this season did not happen and for that I fully accept responsibility...

 

...We fully understand the business side of college football...Our fans and supporters expect and deserve better. I hurt most for our players and staff that worked incredibly hard but did not get to reap the benefits of our efforts. I strongly believe that the next coach and staff at Tulsa will be able to build on the less visible aspects of our program that we leave behind...

 

Gentlemen, it was a joy to coach you. You never gave up, never lost hope; you stayed side by side and kept improving. I want you to know that I never quit on you. Football greatness is measured by wins and losses. I still believe you can achieve football greatness. Greatness in life is measured in character, most often formed in the furnace of adversity. I believe you are great young men. Stay side by side. Be TU BLUE . . . always and forever!

 

Bill Blankenship

Look, football's a tough business. If you don't produce big, and often, you'll be shipped out because there are plenty of other coaches who would love the opportunity to sit in that chair. Not very many can succeed. Heck -- not very many get seven years on the same job.

 

If you're unable to produce football results at Nebraska, I have no hard feelings about this. It isn't an easy task even at Florida. But please go out having kept our NU brand strong and proud, having been a good life teacher for all the NU athletes placed in your care.

 

I think a lot of us expected Bo to go out exactly like that, with class. It fit the Bo that, for all his occasional grumpiness, etc, we wanted to believe he was: a guy who genuinely was good for his players and cared for them. Just look at the cookie cutter speech knapplc typed out for Bo. That was perfect.

 

But, time to face reality. That wasn't Bo.

[NUpolo8]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Matthew Hanson from the OWH with some great observations, via twitter.

 

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

There are reasons to criticize Harvey Perlman & UNL. There are reasons to praise him. Virtually none of it has anything to do with football.

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe A plea: Quit looking through lens of football to judge leaders of Nebraska public universities. It makes you look silly and it makes me sad.

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

A fitting final chapter to Pelini Era. Bo raging to his players, calling boss obscene names, talking about values. http://www.omaha.com/huskers/bo-pelini-insults-a-d-shawn-eichorst-in-expletive-filled/article_b202b14a-8633-11e4-8c91-f3f5386da4f8.html

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

Here's a value: Modeling the behavior you want to see in 18-22-yr-olds as they become adults. Here's a value: Handling adversity with class.

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

Here's a value: Being able to look in mirror & accept at least some of the blame when things go bad. Here's a value: Don't use the c word.

 

A million times, this.

+1,000,000

Football is a gigantic revenue source that funds countless academic activities. Perlman absolutely should be judged on how he manages the football program.

 

Really? Show me a single academic activity that football provides money to. Just one link will suffice.

From a non monetary perspective, it's an invaluable brand that advertises the university across the country and attracts students.

That means he can't, because the dept and the University are separate.

I am not he, and he is not me.

Crap, you're the walrus aren't you?

[cg_8]

It is absolutely, positively foolish to think Perlman should be judge by the state of the football program.

 

I have heard many praises of Perlman by many business leaders in this city. Just look at the physical growth of the University and how many partnerships there were with the City and the University.

 

Take your blinders off, and just look at the Athletic Dept as a whole. How many Big Ten championships have we had outside of football? Couldn't even name them all there's so many. Soccer is building a brand new facility. Basketball built a brand new practice facility. The Volleyball team keeps winning. Basketball got turned around enough for people to actually say "Nebraska is a basketball school now" enough for me to want to punch everyone that says that. Bowling is a powerhouse (power alley?) here. I don't know how many time an athletic team is introduced during one of the football games as some sort of champion. At least once a game.

 

Being judged by Football though? But enrollment keeps going up steadily, building more to attract more students, and more research. C'mon.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Matthew Hanson from the OWH with some great observations, via twitter.

 

 

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

 

There are reasons to criticize Harvey Perlman & UNL. There are reasons to praise him. Virtually none of it has anything to do with football.

 

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

 

A plea: Quit looking through lens of football to judge leaders of Nebraska public universities. It makes you look silly and it makes me sad.

 

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

 

A fitting final chapter to Pelini Era. Bo raging to his players, calling boss obscene names, talking about values. http://www.omaha.com/huskers/bo-pelini-insults-a-d-shawn-eichorst-in-expletive-filled/article_b202b14a-8633-11e4-8c91-f3f5386da4f8.html

 

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

 

Here's a value: Modeling the behavior you want to see in 18-22-yr-olds as they become adults. Here's a value: Handling adversity with class.

 

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

 

Here's a value: Being able to look in mirror & accept at least some of the blame when things go bad. Here's a value: Don't use the c word.

 

A million times, this.

+1,000,000

Football is a gigantic revenue source that funds countless academic activities. Perlman absolutely should be judged on how he manages the football program.

 

 

 

Really? Show me a single academic activity that football provides money to. Just one link will suffice.

 

From a non monetary perspective, it's an invaluable brand that advertises the university across the country and attracts students.

 

As others have said, the football program funds nothing directly as far as academic activity to the University.

[kchusker_chris]

It is absolutely, positively foolish to think Perlman should be judge by the state of the football program.

he was being judged plenty harshly after the A&M game. it continued for some time (da'skers). the odd thing is it was ok - even "trendy" - on this board to critisize Perlman and the "administration" in regards to the football program, right up until about....last week. now all of a sudden any suggestion that there is a connection between Perlman and the football program is rubbish.

[Saunders]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Matthew Hanson from the OWH with some great observations, via twitter.

 

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

There are reasons to criticize Harvey Perlman & UNL. There are reasons to praise him. Virtually none of it has anything to do with football.

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe A plea: Quit looking through lens of football to judge leaders of Nebraska public universities. It makes you look silly and it makes me sad.

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

A fitting final chapter to Pelini Era. Bo raging to his players, calling boss obscene names, talking about values. http://www.omaha.com/huskers/bo-pelini-insults-a-d-shawn-eichorst-in-expletive-filled/article_b202b14a-8633-11e4-8c91-f3f5386da4f8.html

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

Here's a value: Modeling the behavior you want to see in 18-22-yr-olds as they become adults. Here's a value: Handling adversity with class.

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

Here's a value: Being able to look in mirror & accept at least some of the blame when things go bad. Here's a value: Don't use the c word.

A million times, this.

+1,000,000

Football is a gigantic revenue source that funds countless academic activities. Perlman absolutely should be judged on how he manages the football program.

 

Really? Show me a single academic activity that football provides money to. Just one link will suffice.

From a non monetary perspective, it's an invaluable brand that advertises the university across the country and attracts students.

That means he can't, because the dept and the University are separate.

I am not he, and he is not me.

Crap, you're the walrus aren't you?

 

[kchusker_chris]

As others have said, the football program funds nothing directly as far as academic activity to the University.

BS. They just transferred $5 million to academics a month or so ago.

[HuSkeRooNz]

OWH: Bo Pelini insults A.D. Shawn Eichorst in expletive-filled rant during final meeting with players

 

OWH: Transcript

 

 

Tell me if Im wrong, Pelini told players, but the environment at Nebraska wore on you as the past several seasons progressed. It gets harder and harder and harder.

 

It is a b---- here. It is hard enough when you have the negativity that comes from the media and the negativity from a lot of former players, this talk show and that talk show, you win and it aint good enough. Its not good enough how you won. There is a lot of things that go on there and if you dont have a grown man staying in front of the thing and getting everybody, rallying, I can do all I want, but theyre b----ing at me, too.... (...)

 

If any of you guys have on your mind, hey, should I go or should I stay? At the end of the day, you gotta sit there and think, This is how many years I got left. These ought to be the best of my life. And if I dont think its going to be this way this place, then you shouldnt stay. But if you feel like, hey, this is the place for me, this is the place Im going to enjoy my career, then you should stay. Thats what it should come down to.

Wow.

 

I'm sorry Bo felt so under siege he responded in this way.

 

If the players bought any of this garbage, the incoming staff has a lot of work to do. It's too bad that such a coaching talent as Pelini is, lacks so much in the "getting it" department.

 

I compare this to the parting message and advice Muschamp had for his players. Look, not all coaching hires are going to make it big. But if you fail and get fired as a result, that's the way to go out -- having left a positive imprint on the team.

 

Bo's now 2/2 in attempts to poison the well on his way out of Lincoln. Don't come back.

 

I feel bad for his wife and especially his daughters. If they hear that tape, and the words, &*ssy and c&*t, I can't imagine how they would feel about that. If my husband, brother or dad used those words, I would be shocked and gravely disappointed. Sadly, I think we heard the real Bo. He didn't know he was being taped and just shared his heart. I feel sorry for him because I believe he is a sick man. I do not think he should even be coaching young men when he needs to grow up himself. I sure wish him and his family well. His family doesn't deserve the wrath that Bo's behaviors have brought on the negative repercussions and publicity Bo is getting.

[darkhorse85]

 

Really? Show me a single academic activity that football provides money to. Just one link will suffice.

http://research.unl.edu/annualreport/2013/tag/nebraska-athletics-performance-lab/

 

 

Also take a look at the Schorr Center. And this: http://www.dailynebraskan.com/news/article_2287c21d-f018-5d75-8a56-0eefe4f9add6.html

[cg_8]

 

It is absolutely, positively foolish to think Perlman should be judge by the state of the football program.

he was being judged plenty harshly after the A&M game. it continued for some time (da'skers). the odd thing is it was ok - even "trendy" - on this board to critisize Perlman and the "administration" in regards to the football program, right up until about....last week. now all of a sudden any suggestion that there is a connection between Perlman and the football program is rubbish.

 

Judged by whom? Us fans? And was Perlman wrong for A&M?

 

I'd like to add that I have never judge Perlman in regards to football, nor shall I. I look around in this city and see the transformation, and how we stayed economically strong throughout a recession. But apparently those types of things don't matter when we are talking about football. Football, the almighty. I get it, this is Nebraska, but this just adds to the overall stupidity of how foolish this sport can get. We are judging the body of work of someone who done good things for the University and the City in which it resides, the growth of research that has come out of Lincoln, Nebraska, and the influx of research to have yet been done because it is awaiting a building to be finished. Bigger things than football guys.

[Junior]

 

Really? Show me a single academic activity that football provides money to. Just one link will suffice.

http://research.unl.edu/annualreport/2013/tag/nebraska-athletics-performance-lab/

 

 

 

I forgot about that one. That's a new and interesting partnership, though it's not clear to me how much academic use that facility has. And it's not clear how much money is provided to the academics of it all by the athletic department. But I'll give you that one.

[alexhortdog95]

 

OWH: Bo Pelini insults A.D. Shawn Eichorst in expletive-filled rant during final meeting with players

 

OWH: Transcript

 

 

Tell me if Im wrong, Pelini told players, but the environment at Nebraska wore on you as the past several seasons progressed. It gets harder and harder and harder.

 

It is a b---- here. It is hard enough when you have the negativity that comes from the media and the negativity from a lot of former players, this talk show and that talk show, you win and it aint good enough. Its not good enough how you won. There is a lot of things that go on there and if you dont have a grown man staying in front of the thing and getting everybody, rallying, I can do all I want, but theyre b----ing at me, too.... (...)

 

If any of you guys have on your mind, hey, should I go or should I stay? At the end of the day, you gotta sit there and think, This is how many years I got left. These ought to be the best of my life. And if I dont think its going to be this way this place, then you shouldnt stay. But if you feel like, hey, this is the place for me, this is the place Im going to enjoy my career, then you should stay. Thats what it should come down to.

Wow.

 

I'm sorry Bo felt so under siege he responded in this way.

 

If the players bought any of this garbage, the incoming staff has a lot of work to do. It's too bad that such a coaching talent as Pelini is, lacks so much in the "getting it" department.

 

I compare this to the parting message and advice Muschamp had for his players. Look, not all coaching hires are going to make it big. But if you fail and get fired as a result, that's the way to go out -- having left a positive imprint on the team.

 

Bo's now 2/2 in attempts to poison the well on his way out of Lincoln. Don't come back.

 

I feel bad for his wife and especially his daughters. If they hear that tape, and the words, &*ssy and c&*t, I can't imagine how they would feel about that. If my husband, brother or dad used those words, I would be shocked and gravely disappointed. Sadly, I think we heard the real Bo. He didn't know he was being taped and just shared his heart. I feel sorry for him because I believe he is a sick man. I do not think he should even be coaching young men when he needs to grow up himself. I sure wish him and his family well. His family doesn't deserve the wrath that Bo's behaviors have brought on the negative repercussions and publicity Bo is getting.

 

 

As a father of two daughters, and a husband, I'd never use those words PERSONALLY to disparage anyone, male or female. Those words just aren't in my vocab library (nor in my six shooter of profanity). And I agree that if his job is to mold the minds of young men, he's doing a bang up job on that one. But let's be real - the disparaging of women isn't coming just out the mouth of the former head football coach. Look at this commercial...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sGWCfDDXGE

 

Or this one:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMhGSOk1mb4

 

It's a societal issue at this point. He's just not taking the proper stand on it.

 

But, all of that being said - he's a former defensive coordinator and a head coach. He's gonna have language saltier than the normal person.