Guy Chamberlin Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Unlike quarterbacks, it doesn't screw up the team's rhythm or shake anyone's confidence when you rotate running backs. Good players with different styles competing for carries is a nice problem to have. Still....by November I think you want one or two guys establishing themselves. Just like in the business world, committees get old fast. 1 Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Unlike quarterbacks, it doesn't screw up the team's rhythm or shake anyone's confidence when you rotate running backs. Good players with different styles competing for carries is a nice problem to have. Still....by November I think you want one or two guys establishing themselves. Just like in the business world, committees get old fast. Ever heard of the Avengers? 1 Quote Link to comment
The Dude Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Even of one guy is head and shoulders above the rest, I hope our strategy isn't to run him ragged by November like the previous staff. Gimme the committee approach either way. 1 Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Unlike quarterbacks, it doesn't screw up the team's rhythm or shake anyone's confidence when you rotate running backs. Good players with different styles competing for carries is a nice problem to have. Still....by November I think you want one or two guys establishing themselves. Just like in the business world, committees get old fast. Ever heard of the Avengers? Those guys who waste a lot of time and energy waiting for Hulk to get mad? Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Oh but it has Anyone can read the Oregon site, the fishducks site- you would find a lot of what Oregon does has morphed over time I realize this may be something new for those that think Chip Kelley coached at USC BTW we wont be a zone read team Over time we will be a zone team- there is a difference in how the backside DE is accounted for Nothing in Kelleys Nike Coach of the year notes discounted what I said about zone runners Note that Oregon has had small shifty backs- because they run a ton of zone Imani wouldn't see the field for them in their scheme What I learned about zone didn't come from a single article I downloaded 10 minutes prior to my post As I said before LOTs of High SChool teams wont run zone- because they don't have kids who can run it You can have a great kid, good speed, power, even good in HS who never gets how to run zone, it happens Same goes even for some big time programs. I heard Saban talk a couple of years ago about a year they ran a bunch of gap stuff because they didn't have a consistent zone runner. You know what??? You have some very good information that I would love to read more about on this site. But, you come off as condescending and acting like you know more than anyone else. How are you supposed to convey the information you have (that other people don't) without acting like you know more than anyone else? When, in fact, you do know more? And the people arguing with you are equally condescending, convinced their anecdotal observations are pure football gold? Geez, I'm more condescending than jmfb and I don't know squat. Let's not chase him away quite yet. Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Unlike quarterbacks, it doesn't screw up the team's rhythm or shake anyone's confidence when you rotate running backs. Good players with different styles competing for carries is a nice problem to have. Still....by November I think you want one or two guys establishing themselves. Just like in the business world, committees get old fast. Ever heard of the Avengers? Those guys who waste a lot of time and energy waiting for Hulk to get mad? Yes Imani is hulk. Imani no like when others carry his ball. Imani ISO Smash Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Do you really want Imani to go all Loki on Newby's ass? Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Do you really want Imani to go all Loki on Newby's ass? Imani take what Imani want Quote Link to comment
jmfb Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 This is an example of a play Imani would run very well- on off tackle Toss ISO play: Not really a Power Play, they aren't kicking out the End Man on line of scrimmage with the FB- they are fanning him out with the TE and leading up with the playside G and FB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsCsW-PeEEo Downhill, no quick read, no jump cuts bending it back, running to a preset hole- little ambiguity Riley hasn't run a lot of that kind of stuff lately and he's not real heavy on 2 back sets 1 Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Oh but it has Anyone can read the Oregon site, the fishducks site- you would find a lot of what Oregon does has morphed over time I realize this may be something new for those that think Chip Kelley coached at USC BTW we wont be a zone read team Over time we will be a zone team- there is a difference in how the backside DE is accounted for Nothing in Kelleys Nike Coach of the year notes discounted what I said about zone runners Note that Oregon has had small shifty backs- because they run a ton of zone Imani wouldn't see the field for them in their scheme What I learned about zone didn't come from a single article I downloaded 10 minutes prior to my post As I said before LOTs of High SChool teams wont run zone- because they don't have kids who can run it You can have a great kid, good speed, power, even good in HS who never gets how to run zone, it happens Same goes even for some big time programs. I heard Saban talk a couple of years ago about a year they ran a bunch of gap stuff because they didn't have a consistent zone runner. You know what??? You have some very good information that I would love to read more about on this site. But, you come off as condescending and acting like you know more than anyone else. How are you supposed to convey the information you have (that other people don't) without acting like you know more than anyone else? When, in fact, you do know more? And the people arguing with you are equally condescending, convinced their anecdotal observations are pure football gold? Geez, I'm more condescending than jmfb and I don't know squat. Let's not chase him away quite yet. Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Even of one guy is head and shoulders above the rest, I hope our strategy isn't to run him ragged by November like the previous staff. Gimme the committee approach either way. A guy like Ameer Abdullah needed touches though. I believe that if you have a guy who is clearly above the rest, as Abdullah was, he needs to be getting about 20-25 touches a game. Plus, you could easily make the argument that this team was so deficient in some areas that without Abdullah we had a chance of losing more games than we did. This year, unless someone truly emerges in fall camp, I could see 15-20 being the most any one guy gets. Quote Link to comment
The Dude Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Even of one guy is head and shoulders above the rest, I hope our strategy isn't to run him ragged by November like the previous staff. Gimme the committee approach either way. A guy like Ameer Abdullah needed touches though. I believe that if you have a guy who is clearly above the rest, as Abdullah was, he needs to be getting about 20-25 touches a game. Plus, you could easily make the argument that this team was so deficient in some areas that without Abdullah we had a chance of losing more games than we did. This year, unless someone truly emerges in fall camp, I could see 15-20 being the most any one guy gets. . He averaged 23 carries per game the 1st month, 22 the 2nd month, then 14 in November. I would have preferred to have him relatively fresh and healthy against Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa. You can't tell me there weren't more carries to be had for Cross and Newby in the first 2 months. Just not good roster management. 2 Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Even of one guy is head and shoulders above the rest, I hope our strategy isn't to run him ragged by November like the previous staff. Gimme the committee approach either way. A guy like Ameer Abdullah needed touches though. I believe that if you have a guy who is clearly above the rest, as Abdullah was, he needs to be getting about 20-25 touches a game. Plus, you could easily make the argument that this team was so deficient in some areas that without Abdullah we had a chance of losing more games than we did. This year, unless someone truly emerges in fall camp, I could see 15-20 being the most any one guy gets. . He averaged 23 carries per game the 1st month, 22 the 2nd month, then 14 in November. I would have preferred to have him relatively fresh and healthy against Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa. You can't tell me there weren't more carries to be had for Cross and Newby in the first 2 months. Just not good roster management. Should have been flipped. Quote Link to comment
Red Five Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Even of one guy is head and shoulders above the rest, I hope our strategy isn't to run him ragged by November like the previous staff. Gimme the committee approach either way. A guy like Ameer Abdullah needed touches though. I believe that if you have a guy who is clearly above the rest, as Abdullah was, he needs to be getting about 20-25 touches a game. Plus, you could easily make the argument that this team was so deficient in some areas that without Abdullah we had a chance of losing more games than we did. This year, unless someone truly emerges in fall camp, I could see 15-20 being the most any one guy gets. . He averaged 23 carries per game the 1st month, 22 the 2nd month, then 14 in November. I would have preferred to have him relatively fresh and healthy against Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa. You can't tell me there weren't more carries to be had for Cross and Newby in the first 2 months. Just not good roster management. Sure, he only got 14 carries in November. But that stat is a little misstated sInce he got hurt on a fluke play early on against Purdue. Quote Link to comment
xlbder Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 This is an example of a play Imani would run very well- on off tackle Toss ISO play: Not really a Power Play, they aren't kicking out the End Man on line of scrimmage with the FB- they are fanning him out with the TE and leading up with the playside G and FB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsCsW-PeEEo Downhill, no quick read, no jump cuts bending it back, running to a preset hole- little ambiguity Riley hasn't run a lot of that kind of stuff lately and he's not real heavy on 2 back sets This is beautiful. I formation power ball. I would throw my walker off the stands to see this... Quote Link to comment
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