Discussion About Recruiting, Measurables and Other Misc. Topics That Don't Belong in Miller's Thread

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Yay Collin Miller!!! How does a thread about a kid who is coming to play for DONU turn so quickly into whatever the hell this turned into.

It rhymes with pornotraffic.

 

Which now that i think about it, is most likely the only traffic i wouldnt mind being stuck in

 

It's the darndest thing, you know, over the years, on the subject of recruiting, when I have consistently advocated for 4*, bigger faster guys, many of the Husker Nacionales fight me tooth and claw in their defense of the 3*, smaller, slower guys we keep getting, and then bitch, whine, and moan all year as to "why we ain't winning the big one?". Darndest thing.

[swmohusker]

Clay Matthews, Terrrell Suggs, Von Miller, Justin Houston, Demarcus Ware, Khalil Mack, Tamba Hali- 6'3"

Elvis Dumervill 5'11

 

All these guys are elite NFL players that have quickness off the edge and can run the hoop. I would say if these guys can be elite in the NFL at 6'3 250-260 range then our boy Collin Miller will be able to play college football at a high level with his measurables. He seems like a high motor kid that plays hard whistle to whistle.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

Yay Collin Miller!!! How does a thread about a kid who is coming to play for DONU turn so quickly into whatever the hell this turned into.

It rhymes with pornotraffic.

 

Which now that i think about it, is most likely the only traffic i wouldnt mind being stuck in

 

It's the darndest thing, you know, over the years, on the subject of recruiting, when I have consistently advocated for 4*, bigger faster guys, many of the Husker Nacionales fight me tooth and claw in their defense of the 3*, smaller, slower guys we keep getting, and then bitch, whine, and moan all year as to "why we ain't winning the big one?". Darndest thing.

 

Over react much? Nobody is saying big and fast is bad. What they are saying is guys his size can be very good too. He is who we got so we are happy about the possibilities of what he can do.

[DrunkOffPunch]

Who here ever said they would prefer a 3* that is undersized and slow over a 4* that is big and fast? NOBODY. 6'3 245 is fine for a senior in hs and he won't be needed to play this year so he focus on adding weight. Our biggest need from last year was a good pass rushing d end. That's what he is.

[RedRedJarvisRedwine]

 

 

 

 

 

I still don't have any issue with his size. He's 6'3 245. If he can get to 260-270, that's enough size. I don't like it when the DE's are 280+, because I would rather have fast DE's, chasing down the QB. Yes, O-linemen are getting bigger, but against the run, most DE's are asked to hold their ground and occupy blocker(s) and free up the LB's and safeties to make the tackles.

 

That's the main reason why one would want the bigger size, right? Seriously, the "new normal" linemen these days is ~300lb, ripped, athletic, and can run, like that Nkemdiche guy. That's the way it's going as far as I can tell--if you want to be a contender, that is. Leonard Williams, 6'5", 291, remember him?

Which DE's have given Nebraska OT's more trouble?? Speed Rushers my friend

 

That's what I would love to see us get back to.....guys that can just run and get after the QB

Leonard Williams is a big speed rusher. Same with Bosa. I think that's the way it's going these days, they have to be big--and fast. I'm sure if we got a guy like that, nobody would be complaining.

Corn, I get what you are saying. I think we all wouldn't be complaining about a guy who is 6'6 270 lbs and can fly all over the field. Those can be hard to come by, but it would be great if our coaches are able to recruit a guy like that.

 

But, for you to say that Miller isn't a good recruit because he's too small at 6'3 and 240 lbs as a high school senior is simply misguided IMO. Maybe Miller isn't a highly regarded recruit because he is considered "short" for a DE. But, let the guy get on campus and have him play some snaps before we start saying this kid isn't a good enough recruit for a DE.

My first impression was based on the listing of 6'3", 230, which is LB size. Ok, upon review, 6'3" isn't necessarily out of the ordinary, though I would prefer taller. Now, I am told, he is 245. If he can get up to 260 minimum, I can live with it, if he can play, that is.

 

As to the bigger, taller guys, they are out there, just being snagged by other schools. We need to get some of those guys.

 

How did Wiscy get this KS kid away from us?

 

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Isaiahh Loudermilk

DE

Howard, KS West Elk

3 stars

6'7"

285

Wisconsin

 

Anyway, list of top 20 DEs:

 

https://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3525

Someones gonna have to make me a list of all the Hall of Fame DEs that were 6'7" and weighed 290lbs.

[ColoradoHusk]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still don't have any issue with his size. He's 6'3 245. If he can get to 260-270, that's enough size. I don't like it when the DE's are 280+, because I would rather have fast DE's, chasing down the QB. Yes, O-linemen are getting bigger, but against the run, most DE's are asked to hold their ground and occupy blocker(s) and free up the LB's and safeties to make the tackles.

That's the main reason why one would want the bigger size, right? Seriously, the "new normal" linemen these days is ~300lb, ripped, athletic, and can run, like that Nkemdiche guy. That's the way it's going as far as I can tell--if you want to be a contender, that is. Leonard Williams, 6'5", 291, remember him?

Which DE's have given Nebraska OT's more trouble?? Speed Rushers my friend

 

That's what I would love to see us get back to.....guys that can just run and get after the QB

Leonard Williams is a big speed rusher. Same with Bosa. I think that's the way it's going these days, they have to be big--and fast. I'm sure if we got a guy like that, nobody would be complaining.

Corn, I get what you are saying. I think we all wouldn't be complaining about a guy who is 6'6 270 lbs and can fly all over the field. Those can be hard to come by, but it would be great if our coaches are able to recruit a guy like that.

 

But, for you to say that Miller isn't a good recruit because he's too small at 6'3 and 240 lbs as a high school senior is simply misguided IMO. Maybe Miller isn't a highly regarded recruit because he is considered "short" for a DE. But, let the guy get on campus and have him play some snaps before we start saying this kid isn't a good enough recruit for a DE.

My first impression was based on the listing of 6'3", 230, which is LB size. Ok, upon review, 6'3" isn't necessarily out of the ordinary, though I would prefer taller. Now, I am told, he is 245. If he can get up to 260 minimum, I can live with it, if he can play, that is.

 

As to the bigger, taller guys, they are out there, just being snagged by other schools. We need to get some of those guys.

 

How did Wiscy get this KS kid away from us?

 

#30

Isaiahh Loudermilk

DE

Howard, KS West Elk

3 stars

6'7"

285

Wisconsin

 

Anyway, list of top 20 DEs:

 

https://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3525

Someones gonna have to make me a list of all the Hall of Fame DEs that were 6'7" and weighed 290lbs.

 

Also, Wisconsin runs a 3-4, so their DE's are going to be bigger than NU's DE's. Honestly, I don't know if I would want a 6'7" and 290 lbs DE at NU. I like my DE's fast pass rushers.

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Who here ever said they would prefer a 3* that is undersized and slow over a 4* that is big and fast? NOBODY. 6'3 245 is fine for a senior in hs and he won't be needed to play this year so he focus on adding weight. Our biggest need from last year was a good pass rushing d end. That's what he is.

It's the whole "star" debate thing. Many argue that "stars don't matter", since, you know, most of our recruits are 3*. Well, often times, the difference between the 4 and 3* guys is that the former is bigger and faster. I've had fans argue me all day that a 4.7 40 in an RB or WR or CB is "just fine". I just have to push back, I guess.

[Waterloohusker26]

 

Who here ever said they would prefer a 3* that is undersized and slow over a 4* that is big and fast? NOBODY. 6'3 245 is fine for a senior in hs and he won't be needed to play this year so he focus on adding weight. Our biggest need from last year was a good pass rushing d end. That's what he is.

It's the whole "star" debate thing. Many argue that "stars don't matter", since, you know, most of our recruits are 3*. Well, often times, the difference between the 4 and 3* guys is that the former is bigger and faster. I've had fans argue me all day that a 4.7 40 in an RB or WR or CB is "just fine". I just have to push back, I guess.

 

 

Rex Burkhead says hello

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Clay Matthews, Terrrell Suggs, Von Miller, Justin Houston, Demarcus Ware, Khalil Mack, Tamba Hali- 6'3"

Elvis Dumervill 5'11

 

All these guys are elite NFL players that have quickness off the edge and can run the hoop. I would say if these guys can be elite in the NFL at 6'3 250-260 range then our boy Collin Miller will be able to play college football at a high level with his measurables. He seems like a high motor kid that plays hard whistle to whistle.

Aren't these guys pass rush specialists? Anyway, I'm not that down on Collin, but he's 3*s for a reason. If you look at all the "contenders"--tOSU, Bama, LSU, FSU, Clemson, etc--they are getting double digits in 4* recruits--10, 12, 14, 17, etc, per class. Even Sparty has double digits in 4* recruits this year. We get around 3-5 4* guys on average per year. It's gotta change if we want to contend, just sayin'.

[ColoradoHusk]

 

Who here ever said they would prefer a 3* that is undersized and slow over a 4* that is big and fast? NOBODY. 6'3 245 is fine for a senior in hs and he won't be needed to play this year so he focus on adding weight. Our biggest need from last year was a good pass rushing d end. That's what he is.

It's the whole "star" debate thing. Many argue that "stars don't matter", since, you know, most of our recruits are 3*. Well, often times, the difference between the 4 and 3* guys is that the former is bigger and faster. I've had fans argue me all day that a 4.7 40 in an RB or WR or CB is "just fine". I just have to push back, I guess.

 

Nobody is saying you can't have discussion or debate. But, when you get stuck on one specific attribute of a player such as height or weight, the argument doesn't always hold water. There have been plenty of great players in college and NFL that have been deemed "too small" for their position. When you get stuck on the "measurables" there are going to be great football players that don't always have the measurables.

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Who here ever said they would prefer a 3* that is undersized and slow over a 4* that is big and fast? NOBODY. 6'3 245 is fine for a senior in hs and he won't be needed to play this year so he focus on adding weight. Our biggest need from last year was a good pass rushing d end. That's what he is.

It's the whole "star" debate thing. Many argue that "stars don't matter", since, you know, most of our recruits are 3*. Well, often times, the difference between the 4 and 3* guys is that the former is bigger and faster. I've had fans argue me all day that a 4.7 40 in an RB or WR or CB is "just fine". I just have to push back, I guess.

 

 

Rex Burkhead says hello

 

Did Rex ever out run anybody? Not so much.

[Waterloohusker26]

 

 

 

Who here ever said they would prefer a 3* that is undersized and slow over a 4* that is big and fast? NOBODY. 6'3 245 is fine for a senior in hs and he won't be needed to play this year so he focus on adding weight. Our biggest need from last year was a good pass rushing d end. That's what he is.

It's the whole "star" debate thing. Many argue that "stars don't matter", since, you know, most of our recruits are 3*. Well, often times, the difference between the 4 and 3* guys is that the former is bigger and faster. I've had fans argue me all day that a 4.7 40 in an RB or WR or CB is "just fine". I just have to push back, I guess.

 

 

Rex Burkhead says hello

 

Did Rex ever out run anybody? Not so much.

 

 

So you saying Rex wasn't a great back?

[Decked]

 

 

 

Who here ever said they would prefer a 3* that is undersized and slow over a 4* that is big and fast? NOBODY. 6'3 245 is fine for a senior in hs and he won't be needed to play this year so he focus on adding weight. Our biggest need from last year was a good pass rushing d end. That's what he is.

 

It's the whole "star" debate thing. Many argue that "stars don't matter", since, you know, most of our recruits are 3*. Well, often times, the difference between the 4 and 3* guys is that the former is bigger and faster. I've had fans argue me all day that a 4.7 40 in an RB or WR or CB is "just fine". I just have to push back, I guess.

Rex Burkhead says hello

Did Rex ever out run anybody? Not so much.

No but he certainly ran through them

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Who here ever said they would prefer a 3* that is undersized and slow over a 4* that is big and fast? NOBODY. 6'3 245 is fine for a senior in hs and he won't be needed to play this year so he focus on adding weight. Our biggest need from last year was a good pass rushing d end. That's what he is.

It's the whole "star" debate thing. Many argue that "stars don't matter", since, you know, most of our recruits are 3*. Well, often times, the difference between the 4 and 3* guys is that the former is bigger and faster. I've had fans argue me all day that a 4.7 40 in an RB or WR or CB is "just fine". I just have to push back, I guess.

 

Nobody is saying you can't have discussion or debate. But, when you get stuck on one specific attribute of a player such as height or weight, the argument doesn't always hold water. There have been plenty of great players in college and NFL that have been deemed "too small" for their position. When you get stuck on the "measurables" there are going to be great football players that don't always have the measurables.

 

Well, it appears that there is an assumption here that Collin, or whoever, is somehow automatically going to be a "great player" just because I'm arguing that he is relatively small for the position. He's not even on any of the DE lists on Rivals, he's on the LB list. I said he seems like more LB size, which is where he may very well end up @ NE.

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Who here ever said they would prefer a 3* that is undersized and slow over a 4* that is big and fast? NOBODY. 6'3 245 is fine for a senior in hs and he won't be needed to play this year so he focus on adding weight. Our biggest need from last year was a good pass rushing d end. That's what he is.

It's the whole "star" debate thing. Many argue that "stars don't matter", since, you know, most of our recruits are 3*. Well, often times, the difference between the 4 and 3* guys is that the former is bigger and faster. I've had fans argue me all day that a 4.7 40 in an RB or WR or CB is "just fine". I just have to push back, I guess.

Rex Burkhead says hello

Did Rex ever out run anybody? Not so much.

No but he certainly ran through them

 

Thought we were talking speed, no? Yeah, no one would deny that Rex his shake and bake. Still not starting for Cinci, though.