Serious Q's To Trump Supporters (or those on the fence for Trump)

[NM11046]

 

 

 

^^^+1 BRI

 

I didn't mean to come off as "back and forth", I apologize if I did. Like your personal frustrations about Clinton, I share them with people "in Nebraska" who despise CC and can't wait until it all goes away when Trump is President. We were at swimming lessons last week when a Mom in the group said something to this effect. My wife just excused herself to the restroom because she knew I wouldn't let it go

I hear ya, me and my brother and sister got into it pretty heavy tonight over the Clinton/Trump situation. Cooler heads will prevail tomorrow I'm sure, but we were all pretty pissed at one another.

 

Oh, man. That's tough to deal with.

 

This Biden thing you said (in this, or another thread?) interests me. Surely you know what Biden's policies would be regarding size of government, national debt, racial divide and policing, education, and so on. If anything, Biden may have been further to the left of Hillary -- I remember the speech he gave announcing he wouldn't run, it was cited by Sanders' campaign people as energizing because it hit along a lot of the same points.

 

Don't get me wrong, I admire and respect Biden a lot. But what makes Biden an automatic yes here?

 

He supports the military and cops and doesn't lie and treat people like s*&t.

 

I appreciate this Big Red Iowan. I agree with you. Character is one of the most important things I consider when choosing a candidate. Policies are second.

[Moiraine]

Character is one of the most important things I consider when choosing a candidate. Policies are second.

It's flipped around for me. I thought Bill was fake as hell when he was campaigning for president the first time and have disliked him ever since. But that doesn't mean he was bad for the country and that's the most important thing. It's a very close 2nd though which is why I would prefer Biden to Hillary Clinton. Biden seems like a genuinely good person. My only knock on him which I've mentioned before is foot in mouth syndrome. But when he says stupid things they aren't hateful.

 

The problem I have with Trump, even if I put policy ahead of character, is his character directly affects his policy plans. Many of his policies are inherently racist and I believe they'd have a very negative effect on the country. And I would call his plans to basically deregulate everything as a classist policy. So I would say it's important to differentiate between bad character that has a big effect on policy and bad character that is largely separated from policy.

 

That said this isn't an argument against BIGREDIOWAN disliking Clinton. If he believes she's been an a*hole to lots of police officers then that's pretty personal to him and understandably makes it hard to vote for her.

[BigRedBuster]

When someone has had absolutely zero experience in public service...and....when that person refuses to get very specific with his policies by saying..."It's dumb to announce what you are going to do before you do it", all you have to go on is his character. And...quite frankly, Trump's character is NOTHING that should be anywhere close to the Whitehouse and he has proven that over and over and over again.

[BIGREDIOWAN]

 

Character is one of the most important things I consider when choosing a candidate. Policies are second.

It's flipped around for me. I thought Bill was fake as hell when he was campaigning for president the first time and have disliked him ever since. But that doesn't mean he was bad for the country and that's the most important thing. It's a very close 2nd though which is why I would prefer Biden to Hillary Clinton. Biden seems like a genuinely good person. My only knock on him which I've mentioned before is foot in mouth syndrome. But when he says stupid things they aren't hateful.

 

The problem I have with Trump, even if I put policy ahead of character, is his character directly affects his policy plans. Many of his policies are inherently racist and I believe they'd have a very negative effect on the country. And I would call his plans to basically deregulate everything as a classist policy. So I would say it's important to differentiate between bad character that has a big effect on policy and bad character that is largely separated from policy.

 

That said this isn't an argument against BIGREDIOWAN disliking Clinton. If he believes she's been an a*hole to lots of police officers then that's pretty personal to him and understandably makes it hard to vote for her.

 

Bidens' foot in mouth syndrome doesn't look nearly as bad now as Trump's does it?

 

It is very personal for me with Clinton and really one of the main reasons I just can't vote for her.

[NM11046]

Do this weekend's events change anybody's mind who was supporting Mr. Trump or on the fence?

[AlohaHuskers]

If Trump were running against a respectable candidate, he'd be toast by now. Since he's running against the most corrupt candidate in the history of American politics, he's going to continue to stay in the race, and after last night, he ought to take the lead.

[Bigred_inSD]

If Trump were running against a respectable candidate, he'd be toast by now. Since he's running against the most corrupt candidate in the history of American politics, he's going to continue to stay in the race, and after last night, he ought to take the lead.

What I've been saying,

 

If Hillary wins Republicans have no one to blame bite themselves for nominating Trump ( well, that and the fake stories about dead people voting and voter fraud that Trump has already planted)

 

If Trump wins Democrats have no one to blame but themselves and the fradulant DNC for Hillary being the nominee

[BigRedBuster]

 

If Trump were running against a respectable candidate, he'd be toast by now. Since he's running against the most corrupt candidate in the history of American politics, he's going to continue to stay in the race, and after last night, he ought to take the lead.

What I've been saying,

 

If Hillary wins Republicans have no one to blame bite themselves for nominating Trump ( well, that and the fake stories about dead people voting and voter fraud that Trump has already planted)

 

If Trump wins Democrats have no one to blame but themselves and the fradulant DNC for Hillary being the nominee

 

I have been yelling that from the roof tops. Any reasonable candidate would be beating Hillary in a land slide. But...no.....the clueless voters in the Republican party nominate the biggest fraud they could find because he says obnoxious things and they think thats cool.

[TGHusker]

 

 

If Trump were running against a respectable candidate, he'd be toast by now. Since he's running against the most corrupt candidate in the history of American politics, he's going to continue to stay in the race, and after last night, he ought to take the lead.

What I've been saying,

 

If Hillary wins Republicans have no one to blame bite themselves for nominating Trump ( well, that and the fake stories about dead people voting and voter fraud that Trump has already planted)

 

If Trump wins Democrats have no one to blame but themselves and the fradulant DNC for Hillary being the nominee

 

I have been yelling that from the roof tops. Any reasonable candidate would be beating Hillary in a land slide. But...no.....the clueless voters in the Republican party nominate the biggest fraud they could find because he says obnoxious things and they think thats cool.

 

Agree. Jeb, Rubio, Kasich, Cruz, R Paul, Carly, Crispi Cream Christi, and maybe even Ben could have been leading Clinton. Other than 'bridge gate' I don't think any of them have the scandals surrounding them like Trump does. You may dislike them for their policy, but not for who they are as a person.

[AlohaHuskers]

 

 

 

If Trump were running against a respectable candidate, he'd be toast by now. Since he's running against the most corrupt candidate in the history of American politics, he's going to continue to stay in the race, and after last night, he ought to take the lead.

What I've been saying,

 

If Hillary wins Republicans have no one to blame bite themselves for nominating Trump ( well, that and the fake stories about dead people voting and voter fraud that Trump has already planted)

 

If Trump wins Democrats have no one to blame but themselves and the fradulant DNC for Hillary being the nominee

I have been yelling that from the roof tops. Any reasonable candidate would be beating Hillary in a land slide. But...no.....the clueless voters in the Republican party nominate the biggest fraud they could find because he says obnoxious things and they think thats cool.

No... He got nominated because people were sick and tired of politicians and the establishment. And still are. He's not a politician, he's a businessman with fresh ideas to get our country turned around and on the right track again, and that's something we haven't had in decades.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

If Trump were running against a respectable candidate, he'd be toast by now. Since he's running against the most corrupt candidate in the history of American politics, he's going to continue to stay in the race, and after last night, he ought to take the lead.

What I've been saying,

 

If Hillary wins Republicans have no one to blame bite themselves for nominating Trump ( well, that and the fake stories about dead people voting and voter fraud that Trump has already planted)

 

If Trump wins Democrats have no one to blame but themselves and the fradulant DNC for Hillary being the nominee

I have been yelling that from the roof tops. Any reasonable candidate would be beating Hillary in a land slide. But...no.....the clueless voters in the Republican party nominate the biggest fraud they could find because he says obnoxious things and they think thats cool.

No... He got nominated because people were sick and tired of politicians and the establishment. And still are. He's not a politician, he's a businessman with fresh ideas to get our country turned around and on the right track again, and that's something we haven't had in decades.

 

If he were that, I would be excited for him. Problem is, he isn't any of those things other than a business man and not a respectable one at that. He is a complete fraud in a suit. It's sad so many people don't see that.

 

He got nominated while doing everything he could to NOT get nominated. I guess there are one hell of a lot of people who get all excited about a blow hard idiot making fun of everyone else like a 3rd grader.

 

If he were anything like what you claim he is, he would be beating Hillary by 15 percentage points. Instead, he is losing and is set up to lose BIG.

 

So, we will end up with a pathetic person as President because a bunch of Republican voters early in the primary couldn't pull their heads out of their collective asses.

 

Thanks......

[AlohaHuskers]

It's very telling where we are in our country right now that people get more up-in-arms about a potty mouth than proof of complete corruption on the other side. That is, if the MSM is actually telling the truth about voter trends

[TGHusker]

I think if Hillary wasn't such a radical on social issues - you'd see voters drop from Trump in a mass exodus. Her radicalness is as evidenced in the type of person she said she'd place on the SC during the debate -must support her very liberal social agenda - nothing said about the constitutional role of the court - to interpret and arbitrate laws according to the written guidelines of the constitution - not some ever changing social norm. What I keep hearing is that repubs are holding on to Trump just because of the supreme court. If it wasn't for that, he'd be toast. Even though Hillary is corrupt as all get out, many repubs are ignoring this because Trump is so unacceptable when it comes to practical governance - policy, leadership, etc. Both have no foundation to stand on in regards to moral leadership.

 

I've heard someone mention yesterday using the Churchill analogy however. They said Churchill was a vulgar, heavy drinker and if England had disregard him because of his 'moral' issues, we might all be talking German now. They said this in support of Trump - trying to liken him to Churchill as the one who would be strong against ISIS, Putin, and against the spread of socialism in our country. Personally, I don't think either candidate passes the "Churchill" test.

[knapplc]

I think Republicans are holding on to Trump because he's their "team." People don't seem to use logic or reasoning in their political choices anymore. They've decided they're Democrat or they're Republican, and that's now their "team" and they support that team no matter what.

 

When the Republicans stopped representing what I believe, I stopped registering as Republican. It's too bad more people don't search their souls and evaluate their affiliation more often. I think if people were honest with themselves we would have around 10% of the voting population registered to either party and the overwhelming majority unaffiliated.

 

Ignorance of voting rules and the team mentality are stifling this nation.

[BigRedBuster]

It's very telling where we are in our country right now that people get more up-in-arms about a potty mouth than proof of complete corruption on the other side. That is, if the MSM is actually telling the truth about voter trends

Great job of poo pooing the entire issue.

 

His exact words are him bragging about committing sexual assault. The right can constantly claim over and over again that it's just words. But, that's NOT what he was saying on that bus.

AND....if this were the only thing about him that is disgusting it would be different. BUT....he has proven over a very long time that he is a pathetic human being and will do whatever it takes to get what he wants no matter if it's corrupt, illegal or just flat out immoral.

 

On top of that, the guy doesn't have a friggen clue what he is doing.