The morning after...

[Saunders]

There's a lesson to be learned for every stunned liberal out there. And that's that you can't change someone's opinion by insulting and shaming them. It might make them shut up or even publicly support your view, but their true feelings remain unchanged and that's what it really comes down to in a private voting booth.

 

I honestly would have preferred Clinton too, but I really hope this vote is a lesson learned the hard way that dominating the conversation isn't the same as dominating the vote.

 

Also worth noting that the right's comparable moral outrage over abortion and gay marriage was just the other side of the same coin.

 

I think it's a bit dangerous to dismiss Americans as being post-fact or racist or whatever vilifies them from the outside. It plays into their elitism card. A lot of people in a lot of this country feel left behind. They're obviously still a very powerful vote.

 

Dismissing them as bigots and not understanding why they feel this way is a big part of why Trump won. Liberals need to shed the elitist thing. It doesn't work. It's not helpful. Obama won because he's once in a lifetime type of human. He's an outlier. The left became obnoxious.

 

 

And now here we are. President Trump.

 

Edit: I don't mean liberals as an insult. I mean it as those who (most likely) voted for Hillary.

[Bigred_inSD]

Trump voters pulled a good one, they blamed the "lying media" card to perfection. They said they didn't know or wouldn't vote Trump when they knew they would. Kudos to them (no not all of them did this, but I'm betting a good number did)

 

Also, my day after started with a headache. Finished live shots and work at 1030, got to the bar and drinks at 11, first Tall beer was gone by 11:10

[Count 'Bility]

Trump voters pulled a good one, they blamed the "lying media" card to perfection. They said they didn't know or wouldn't vote Trump when they knew they would. Kudos to them (no not all of them did this, but I'm betting a good number did)

 

Also, my day after started with a headache. Finished live shots and work at 1030, got to the bar and drinks at 11, first Tall beer was gone by 11:10

the shy Trump voter. I've been suggesting this for quite some time. The person who deep down truley beleive's what he's selling. Not the man. Not the bullsh#t. but the concept. America first. The outsider. Blow the system to hell. But his extremes-rightfully understood-garnered lables of racist and bigot and etc. so these folks become fearful of being open about supporting the Trump phenomenon. hell. I seldom venture in this very politics section. But these last few days have been a perfect storm of boredom at work, me desire to bullsh#t and debate, and a polarizing yet popular topic. but look what i started the other day and the back and forth of good stuff that ensued from me comin clean about it, and standing for it against some praise, but mostly criticism. But i can see there are a lot of ppl not nearly as brave, or level headed maybe, that I like to think I am. so they tell no one. And when asked, claim to not. But in the privacy of that booth. When no one has to, or no one will ever, know. They check Trump. And feel fine with it. These are the ppl that put him over the top. Obviously, there a lot out there.

[knapplc]

There's a lesson to be learned for every stunned liberal out there. And that's that you can't change someone's opinion by insulting and shaming them.

I mean... wow.

 

The term "liberal" has been used as an epithet for the past 20 years. Right here on this board. It's accusatory, a blame, intended as an insult, even to people who are not liberal in their views.

 

The only way a person can't see that is if they don't want to.

 

And this... olive branch? I guess...? is started off with an I-told-you-so to "every stunned liberal out there."

 

 

 

And people wonder why this country is divided.

[Whistlebritches]

 

There's a lesson to be learned for every stunned liberal out there. And that's that you can't change someone's opinion by insulting and shaming them.

I mean... wow.

 

The term "liberal" has been used as an epithet for the past 20 years. Right here on this board. It's accusatory, a blame, intended as an insult, even to people who are not liberal in their views.

 

The only way a person can't see that is if they don't want to.

 

And this... olive branch? I guess...? is started off with an I-told-you-so to "every stunned liberal out there."

 

 

 

And people wonder why this country is divided.

 

Now that the left has lost we're supposed to start the healing. Yeah, sure, because so much of that went on for the last 8 years.

[cornstar]

And people wonder why this country is divided.

Thanks, Obama.

 

(Not kidding)

[knapplc]

 

And people wonder why this country is divided.

Thanks, Obama.

 

(Not kidding)

 

Obama didn't divide this country. People upset that a Black man was elected president divided this country.

 

Not kidding.

[Count 'Bility]

The country has always been divided and always will be. We want the melting pot? We have to deal with the numerous folks who arent smart enough to handle it. Not kidding.

[Danny Bateman]

Blaming Obama for dividing the country seems silly to me.

 

It's like how the Trump campaign built his campaign on racial xenophobia, saying whatever he wanted and complained about the PC culture we live in...

 

Until Baskets of Deplorables. And then, dear God, Trump and the GOP had had enough. THAT crossed the line.

 

Double standards are completely stupid.

[84HuskerLaw]

The morning after is a bright and sunny day and without a doubt there is once again hope for America's future. Trump is not the 'ideal' candidate and may not be able to save the country from the abyss of political, social and economic deterioration we are headed to but there is atleast a chance. The Clintons offered absolutely NO HOPE to people. Frankly, I wonder how many (perhaps as many as a third?) of those who voted for Hillary would honestly admit they held their noseand voted for her even though they would have preferred someone else. But there was nobody else who ran against her, except Bernie. Now, to good far leftists, Bernie should have been the 'ideal' candidate. Sincere, honest, socialist and just plain nuts when it comes to his economics but truly the ideal liberal.

 

But Bernie didn't win in the primaries. Why? Seemingly because Hillary was even more 'ideal' unless the election was really more of a coronation and selection. There were a half a dozen very intelligent, honest, sincere and decent candidates who ran against Trump in the primaries. Why did not the liberals who didn't really want Hillary not opt to participate in those choices and vote for one of them. Many of the Republican candidates had excellent government experience, common sense free market capitalism economic ideas, realistic foreign policy and domestic policy approaches and so on.

 

I would suggest those who voted for Hillary yesterday but claim they didn't want to because they would have preferred someone else really did want to vote for Hillary and were quite comfortable in doing so. The real concern about such folks is why would anyone vote for Hillary Clinton after all the corruption and scandal and blatant lies (nobody can seriously deny the lies) that she spews and has been a part of the Clintons' lives since they were in college 45 years ago. ? Just asking? I really like someone to honestly say the truth is they voted for Hillary because she is a Democrat and it wouldn't matter what high crimes and misdemeanors, lies and corruption she participated in?

[Count 'Bility]

Blaming Obama for dividing the country seems silly to me.

 

It's like how the Trump campaign built his campaign on racial xenophobia, saying whatever he wanted and complained about the PC culture we live in...

 

Until Baskets of Deplorables. And then, dear God, Trump and the GOP had had enough. THAT crossed the line.

 

Double standards are completely stupid.

there were nasty and unwarranted accusations thrown from both sides at both sides. Some folks on each side fell into such categories. A lot did not.

 

two way street like anything else. When we find the common ground we can move forward.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

There's a lesson to be learned for every stunned liberal out there. And that's that you can't change someone's opinion by insulting and shaming them.

I mean... wow.

 

The term "liberal" has been used as an epithet for the past 20 years. Right here on this board. It's accusatory, a blame, intended as an insult, even to people who are not liberal in their views.

 

The only way a person can't see that is if they don't want to.

 

And this... olive branch? I guess...? is started off with an I-told-you-so to "every stunned liberal out there."

 

 

 

And people wonder why this country is divided.

 

Now that the left has lost we're supposed to start the healing. Yeah, sure, because so much of that went on for the last 8 years.

 

The attitude of..."Well, they did it for 8 years so now we are going to let them know how it feels" attitude has to stop.

 

This has been going on from both sides now for decades and all we have gotten is farther and farther apart. It's like many people have absolutely no desire to mend fences with people they don't agree with politically. It's just fun to poke them in the eye with a bigger stick than they poked us with. It's much easier to just view them as the enemy and out to destroy America or drag it back to the dark ages. Both assumptions are false.

 

How about this???? Why not be the bigger moral party and stop this crap right here in this administration? Stop thinking of yourselves as so much better than the other side. There are good people on both sides of issues. They just view the world differently than you because of different life experiences.

 

Now...I happen to agree with much of the original post as far as liberal's elite attitudes. But, that's always going to be there along with (as Knapp pointed out) rural conservatives thinking city people are clueless.

 

We need to work to lessen that attitudes in our political dealings.

[BigRedBuster]

Blaming Obama for dividing the country seems silly to me.

 

It's like how the Trump campaign built his campaign on racial xenophobia, saying whatever he wanted and complained about the PC culture we live in...

 

Until Baskets of Deplorables. And then, dear God, Trump and the GOP had had enough. THAT crossed the line.

 

Double standards are completely stupid.

Those three words were one big nail in her campaign's coffin.

[cornstar]

 

 

And people wonder why this country is divided.

Thanks, Obama.

 

(Not kidding)

Obama didn't divide this country. People upset that a Black man was elected president divided this country.

 

Not kidding.

This country was divided prior to Obama. It's even more so after. He was supposed to unite the country, but instead his presidency drove a much larger wedge in the divide.

 

Remember hope and change?

[Dbqgolfer]

 

 

And people wonder why this country is divided.

Thanks, Obama.

 

(Not kidding)

 

Obama didn't divide this country. People upset that a Black man was elected president divided this country.

 

Not kidding.

 

I don't think the reason the country is divided has anything to do with Obama one way or the other. I think it's divided because there is nothing called "honest disagreement" in politics anymore. Political opponents aren't considered to be honorable, decent people having honest, differing opinions; they are considered horrible human beings who must be destroyed. In my opinion this started during the 92 Bush/Clinton campaign and hasn't stopped since.