Dems Rebuild

[zoogs]

That's important context! Thanks for posting it.

[Guy Chamberlin]

When I feel the world turning upside down and outrage over the actions of our Republican President and Congress,, I want to be able to point to the wise and passionate Democrats who clearly articulate the other side of the issue, using the preponderance of evidence in their favor, and who take action accordingly. 

 

But I can't do that. Near as I can tell, the Democrats are too busy packaging the outrage and turning it into fundraising. It's like trolling for likes on Facebook.

 

Pelosi, Feinstein, the DNC and The Clintons don't speak for me, and I think we need a new wave of voters and candidates who feel in no way beholden to them. 

[zoogs]

What are the issues for which "the other side", your side, is not being articulated?

 

Fundraising is organizing. Movement isn't possible without organization. And grassroots fundraising, I would have thought, is preferable to simply sparing the effort and taking from the Koch brothers.

[RedDenver]

26 minutes ago, zoogs said:

What are the issues for which "the other side", your side, is not being articulated?

 

Fundraising is organizing. Movement isn't possible without organization. And grassroots fundraising, I would have thought, is preferable to simply sparing the effort and taking from the Koch brothers.

Do you think Pelosi, Feinstein, or The Clintons are grassroots in any way? The DNC might be changing to be more grassroots, but we'll see.

[Guy Chamberlin]

2 hours ago, zoogs said:

What are the issues for which "the other side", your side, is not being articulated?

 

Fundraising is organizing. Movement isn't possible without organization. And grassroots fundraising, I would have thought, is preferable to simply sparing the effort and taking from the Koch brothers.

 

Oh there's some grassroots organizing going on, and grassroots media influencers spelling out the specific and egregious deceptions in the Tax Bill, and grassroots Democrat candidates stepping up on local and state levels. 

 

And they're doing a vastly better job than national party leadership. 

 

If you're a Pelosi, or Feinstein or Shumer or Clinton, you've been around the money and machinery too long to relate to the grassroots folk you purport to champion. 

 

And seriously, the passion, energy and creativity the Democrat machinery puts into fundraising is in no way matched by their approach to actual governance. 

 

New blood. That's all I'm saying.  

 

 

[zoogs]

My mistake -- I thought we were talking about parties and policy, not individuals to designate as champions.

[RedDenver]

25 minutes ago, zoogs said:

My mistake -- I thought we were talking about parties and policy, not individuals to designate as champions.

We're talking about "Democrats who clearly articulate the other side of the issue". Can you name some?

[zoogs]

I feel like articulation of the other side of the issue is really, really not a problem.

[Guy Chamberlin]

43 minutes ago, zoogs said:

My mistake -- I thought we were talking about parties and policy, not individuals to designate as champions.

 

Well another word for that is "leadership."

[Guy Chamberlin]

16 minutes ago, zoogs said:

I feel like articulation of the other side of the issue is really, really not a problem.

 

I think Republicans and conservatives have been winning the messaging battle since Obama took office in 2009.

 

They created simple, memorable bromides and complete lies, and Democrats scoffed because they had truth on their side.

 

But Dems woefully misread the appetite for simple, memorable bromides, and suffered from the smug self-righteousness that came with it.

 

If you want to know how a policy wonk can sound like a real person who understands the daily s#!t most Americans go through, study how Bernie Sanders busted out in the primaries.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by Guy Chamberlin

[knapplc]

BRB, gonna go look up "bromides." 

 

Turns out, it is not a chemical used to repel/kill Bro Dudes.

[BigRedBuster]

2 minutes ago, knapplc said:

BRB

[zoogs]

A competing idea I have for "the Democrats need catchy bromides and should be blamed by the discerning public for not having them" is "the public should be blamed for failing to discern good policy from extremely malicious policy". And to elevate our own level of policy literacy.

[Guy Chamberlin]

You know who was getting really good at explaining complex issues in a fun, understandable way?

 

Al Franken.

 

Check out his Boiling the Frog series on YouTube.

 

Then banish him from your mind forever. 

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/watch-al-franken-david-letterman-talk-climate-in-web-series-w491660

[commando]

I think the democrats are just sitting back waiting for their plant in the republican party to finish tearing it down.  Donnie will get them demolished soon enough.   hey...makes more sense than the uranium 1 deal that Fox news is pushing.